Guest stb- Posted January 3, 2014 Report Posted January 3, 2014 so what you saying there.s not safety in numbers ?20 doos home from 4000 54 from 2300 :emoticon-0127-lipssealed: 36 from 72 doseny look to me like theres safty in numbers an the big losses were shorter races should just have said we dont want to go with them instead of saying oh the doos need a pull up the road , a dont button up the back . .
Guest stb- Posted January 3, 2014 Report Posted January 3, 2014 Bob I was one of the guys who was well up for going to the long race with a big convoy mnfc unc etc but opinions change and mine has!i think all scottish national birds should go on there own! 200 300 400 birds if that's what the body of the hall wants,let's get on with it. yes John ive changed my mind on the so called joint libs with english orgs aswell as the returns and results are saying otherwise . 200 400 600 birds yes let the birds get on with it which im sure they will with flying colours .It getsmy back up when a reason is given that joint and bigger libs are better when clearly they havnt been .
Novice Posted January 3, 2014 Report Posted January 3, 2014 in this day and age when our sport is in an obvious state of decline, why do we have to fly from 600 miles plus... no disrespect to any of the previous winners and there champion winning pigeons, but these races generally turn out to be endurance tests and not a race, and thus won by homers and not racers... forcing pigeons to fly in these tiny convoys taking days to home is in my eyes clearly a form of 'cruelty', pigeons become lost and disorientated, dehydrated and starving, then they become easy victims to a whole host of raptors, etc... not pigeon racing, IMO! This post just has to represent double standards from someone who participates in the Arona Tenerife Single Loft Race.
bibendium Posted January 3, 2014 Report Posted January 3, 2014 Perhaps the members on here need to remember who is looking over our shoulder when they make comments like bordering on cruelty!
alec guinness Posted January 3, 2014 Report Posted January 3, 2014 Perhaps the members on here need to remember who is looking over our shoulder when they make comments like bordering on cruelty! Good post Charlie.
alec guinness Posted January 3, 2014 Report Posted January 3, 2014 yes John ive changed my mind on the so called joint libs with english orgs aswell as the returns and results are saying otherwise . 200 400 600 birds yes let the birds get on with it which im sure they will with flying colours .It getsmy back up when a reason is given that joint and bigger libs are better when clearly they havnt been . Bob I have articles going back 100 years when lads were timing birds from over 600 miles and good vels etc,the birds must be tested and when we stop this the doo game in Scotland is finished!!!
Guest stb- Posted January 3, 2014 Report Posted January 3, 2014 Bob I have articles going back 100 years when lads were timing birds from over 600 miles and good vels etc,the birds must be tested and when we stop this the doo game in Scotland is finished!!! correct john it does no favours getting a towe
walterboswell59 Posted January 3, 2014 Report Posted January 3, 2014 sorry i just cant get my head around trying to get our birds to fly on from 5 and 6 hundred miles then sending them with a big convoy flying hundreds of miles shorter a tired bird will be temted to go down if most of the batch there in is breaking for there lofts en route as for joint libs they only benifit the birds if there all flying into the one area or they get dragged all over the country time we were thinking of the birds not the costs imo
dal2 Posted January 3, 2014 Report Posted January 3, 2014 Its no as if we're skint StevieVery true John. Just the buisnessman in me looking at costs rather than bank balance
geordie1234 Posted January 3, 2014 Report Posted January 3, 2014 Bob I have articles going back 100 years when lads were timing birds from over 600 miles and good vels etc,the birds must be tested and when we stop this the doo game in Scotland is finished!!! Very good post John
peter pandy Posted January 3, 2014 Report Posted January 3, 2014 Could some fancier who has an SNFC rule book pre 2000 please inform us of the objects of the club ? As I am sure it was along the lines of THE PROMOTION OF LONG DISTANCE RACING INTO SCOTLAND and why the constitution was changed.
Kyleakin Lofts Posted January 3, 2014 Report Posted January 3, 2014 Perhaps the members on here need to remember who is looking over our shoulder when they make comments like bordering on cruelty! Well said Charlie.
Kyleakin Lofts Posted January 3, 2014 Report Posted January 3, 2014 Bob I have articles going back 100 years when lads were timing birds from over 600 miles and good vels etc,the birds must be tested and when we stop this the doo game in Scotland is finished!!! Good post and to the point. sorry i just cant get my head around trying to get our birds to fly on from 5 and 6 hundred miles then sending them with a big convoy flying hundreds of miles shorter a tired bird will be temted to go down if most of the batch there in is breaking for there lofts en route as for joint libs they only benifit the birds if there all flying into the one area or they get dragged all over the country time we were thinking of the birds not the costs imo Good post Walter. Could some fancier who has an SNFC rule book pre 2000 please inform us of the objects of the club ? As I am sure it was along the lines of THE PROMOTION OF LONG DISTANCE RACING INTO SCOTLAND and why the constitution was changed. Excellent post. Just what I thought.
VMS Posted January 3, 2014 Report Posted January 3, 2014 For me the best 500+ mile pigeons would certainly be in the small convoy
dal2 Posted January 3, 2014 Report Posted January 3, 2014 For me the best 500+ mile pigeons would certainly be in the small convoyYe make that sound like some libs coming to scotland would be huge vinny? Any yin coming frae the long yins in ANY org deserve respect
VMS Posted January 3, 2014 Report Posted January 3, 2014 Ye make that sound like some libs coming to scotland would be huge vinny? Any yin coming frae the long yins in ANY org deserve respectWas pretty much a response to earlier posts relation to birdage,all these races are challenging and deserve respect,but for me the small convoy more so IMO
robbiedoo. Posted January 4, 2014 Report Posted January 4, 2014 For me the best 500+ mile pigeons would certainly be in the small convoy 500 mile is 500 mile to me regardless of birdage still takes a good doo to do it .jmo
jocky Posted January 4, 2014 Report Posted January 4, 2014 wrong lanarkshire DONT change its date the date was set at agm and yes was agreed to go with snfc IF they go on same date so if they dont then we go alone UNLESS a special meeting is called if we agreed to go with the snfc thats what we agreed we we move to the following week.
Blue Tooner Posted January 4, 2014 Report Posted January 4, 2014 Bob I have articles going back 100 years when lads were timing birds from over 600 miles and good vels etc,the birds must be tested and when we stop this the doo game in Scotland is finished!!! 100% correct John.... If the SNFC decided to go to barcelona I would prepare a doo for the race.... Dont know what distance that would be but I would give it a crack. The problem is that too many fanciers are scared to lose a decent doo!!! I cannot believe the birdage at the SNFC longest race especially when i see fanciers on this site promoting it but yet do not send!!!! expletive remove you guys are moaning about the inland nationals being a sprint yet i find myself agreeing with you although it is over 400 mls to us. Get a FCKN Grip!!! All this bu**s$it that its easy in the north!!!? Haha.... So what how many of you guys would have a team to compete in 6 national races from 420 to over 700 miles!!!! I know there would be the odd one or two and i could name them now!!! IF YOU WANT TO PROMOTE LONG DISTANCE RACING SEND TO THE LONGEST RACE!!!!
BLACK W F Posted January 4, 2014 Report Posted January 4, 2014 would it not be better for the SNFC to tie in with some of the UNC program after all they come up as far as Berwick sure they could get convoying facility's
hotrod Posted January 4, 2014 Report Posted January 4, 2014 would it not be better for the SNFC to tie in with some of the UNC program after all they come up as far as Berwick sure they could get convoying facility'sThe point here alan is this ,the SNRPC are going to Troyes again this year ,probably, and it doesn't run at a loss because of the good will of some top guys , they were informed at last years AGM to approach the snfc to see if the wanted to got to this race ,1st of all to share costs , also to get a bigger birdage. , they done it alone last year with a great race with great returns with only a handful of pigeons , to me it was also put to them as a friendly gesture ,and I was hoping that it would be the first step of reconciliation , come on guys it's on here all the time ,There should only be one national , well this was a step nearer that goal . It's only convoying facilities two separate races one lib and controlled in Scotland ..IMHO it could be a missed opertunity .
walterboswell59 Posted January 4, 2014 Report Posted January 4, 2014 The point here alan is this ,the SNRPC are going to Troyes again this year ,probably, and it doesn't run at a loss because of the good will of some top guys , they were informed at last years AGM to approach the snfc to see if the wanted to got to this race ,1st of all to share costs , also to get a bigger birdage. , they done it alone last year with a great race with great returns with only a handful of pigeons , to me it was also put to them as a friendly gesture ,and I was hoping that it would be the first step of reconciliation , come on guys it's on here all the time ,There should only be one national , well this was a step nearer that goal . It's only convoying facilities two separate races one lib and controlled in Scotland ..IMHO it could be a missed opertunity .well said stu
BLACK W F Posted January 4, 2014 Report Posted January 4, 2014 The point here alan is this ,the SNRPC are going to Troyes again this year ,probably, and it doesn't run at a loss because of the good will of some top guys , they were informed at last years AGM to approach the snfc to see if the wanted to got to this race ,1st of all to share costs , also to get a bigger birdage. , they done it alone last year with a great race with great returns with only a handful of pigeons , to me it was also put to them as a friendly gesture ,and I was hoping that it would be the first step of reconciliation , come on guys it's on here all the time ,There should only be one national , well this was a step nearer that goal . It's only convoying facilities two separate races one lib and controlled in Scotland ..IMHO it could be a missed opertunity .great post Stewart hopefully common sence will win the day and both go together could be as u say the start of the reunion lets hope the politics and agendas are thrown in the bucket and the chance of better racing and above all else the welfayre of the doos being put first
Guest IB Posted January 4, 2014 Report Posted January 4, 2014 Well, in the management committee race program race 4 the Longest Race is shown 'TBD' - to be decided. AGM can decide where we are going, and how.
sammy Posted January 4, 2014 Report Posted January 4, 2014 if we agreed to go with the snfc thats what we agreed we we move to the following week. in other words it will be to suite you guys in newmains
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