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The primary reason for the change from Friday to Saturday was for the birds' benefit. As most organisations liberate Saturday, there are lots more birds crossing the channel on Saturday which it was felt would give our birds a bit more confidence to 'go for it'.

 

Small size of convoy on channel races has become an issue. SNRPC asked us to go with them to the Longest Race in 2014, but the offer was declined purely on grounds of size of the combuined convoy ... it was considered bordering on cruelty to liberate that size of convoy 600 miles from home. Our counter-offer was for both of us to go with MNFC to Ancenis, one transporter taking the Scots contingent to meet the MNFC transporter.

 

Not sure I agree with the 'negativity' in it though.

so there basically saying the scottish pigeon are no good enough to fly 600 miles on there own and need a piggy back from english feds and orgs to cross the channel , who the fk came up way that conclusion making scottish distance birds look second raters . I think this is a p*ss poor exscusefor a veiled agenda Ian and your right no wonder you dont agree with it its utter nonsence .

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so there basically saying the scottish pigeon are no good enough to fly 600 miles on there own and need a piggy back from english feds and orgs to cross the channel , who the fk came up way that conclusion making scottish distance birds look second raters . I think this is a p*ss poor exscusefor a veiled agenda Ian and your right no wonder you dont agree with it its utter nonsence .

rab you got two look at cost and safety in numbers , jmo

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rab you got two look at cost and safety in numbers , jmo

 

Hi John, i can see and believe in the sense of safety in numbers, but i doubt Very much there would be a reduction in costs, unless you are aware of info that i am not? We have convoyed to the longest race with other organisations in the past but the birdage was still the same and actually increased on occasion.

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Hi John, i can see and believe in the sense of safety in numbers, but i doubt Very much there would be a reduction in costs, unless you are aware of info that i am not? We have convoyed to the longest race with other organisations in the past but the birdage was still the same and actually increased on occasion.

Surely it canny pay to take our own transport for a small convoy to the longest race?

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Why does the management want to move Ypres to the 12Th July on not the 6th July14 which would give them more birdage from the Lanarkshire.

lanarshire agreed to go with the snfc. to ypres so if the date changes lanarkshire changes its date.

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so there basically saying the scottish pigeon are no good enough to fly 600 miles on there own and need a piggy back from english feds and orgs to cross the channel , who the fk came up way that conclusion making scottish distance birds look second raters . I think this is a p*ss poor exscusefor a veiled agenda Ian and your right no wonder you dont agree with it its utter nonsence .

 

 

Bob I was one of the guys who was well up for going to the long race with a big convoy mnfc unc etc but opinions change and mine has!i think all scottish national birds should go on there own! 200 300 400 birds if that's what the body of the hall wants,let's get on with it. :partick-thistle-Crest:

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Hi John, i can see and believe in the sense of safety in numbers, but i doubt Very much there would be a reduction in costs, unless you are aware of info that i am not? We have convoyed to the longest race with other organisations in the past but the birdage was still the same and actually increased on occasion.

john are you trying tell that cost 2 the snfc would be the same if we went 2 the longest race on our own ? don't thinkso its easy 2 take a cheap swipe at the committee but remember they are trying there best

 

but the time has come 2 look at the prize money and cut the cost,s ,jmo

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lanarshire agreed to go with the snfc. to ypres so if the date changes lanarkshire changes its date.

wrong lanarkshire DONT change its date the date was set at agm and yes was agreed to go with snfc IF they go on same date so if they dont then we go alone UNLESS a special meeting is called :animatedpigeons:

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john are you trying tell that cost 2 the snfc would be the same if we went 2 the longest race on our own ? don't thinkso its easy 2 take a cheap swipe at the committee but remember they are trying there best

 

but the time has come 2 look at the prize money and cut the cost,s ,jmo

 

I am NOT taking a swipe at them John, never would either, as i know fine how easily it is to get crucified when only trying your best. Might not agree with decisions taken but most certainly wouldn't criticise those trying to do their best for us all. I simply think that we have the funds to do as we wish on our own, but that is jmo not a slight on the committee.

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rab you got two look at cost and safety in numbers , jmo

John i think someone said the snprc had 62 birds at 600 miles and 36 timed

 

so the safty in numbers is pishe exscuse as the year before they went with the mighty up north combine and only got 3 doos , whats the 100k in the bank for expletive remove if they had all gone together cost would have been halfed to start with .

 

By the way im not a member of the snrpc but i think it was a great opertunity thrown away and one that might never come back to the table again .

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in this day and age when our sport is in an obvious state of decline, why do we have to fly from 600 miles plus... :emoticon-0138-thinking: no disrespect to any of the previous winners and there champion winning pigeons, but these races generally turn out to be endurance tests and not a race, and thus won by homers and not racers... forcing pigeons to fly in these tiny convoys taking days to home is in my eyes clearly a form of 'cruelty', pigeons become lost and disorientated, dehydrated and starving, then they become easy victims to a whole host of raptors, etc... not pigeon racing, IMO! :(

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I am NOT taking a swipe at them John, never would either, as i know fine how easily it is to get crucified when only trying your best. Might not agree with decisions taken but most certainly wouldn't criticise those trying to do their best for us all. I simply think that we have the funds to do as we wish on our own, but that is jmo not a slight on the committee.

john for the last 10 years they have lost money fact the time has come two look at prize money falling birdage, : and joint libs

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in this day and age when our sport is in an obvious state of decline, why do we have to fly from 600 miles plus... :emoticon-0138-thinking: no disrespect to any of the previous winners and there champion winning pigeons, but these races generally turn out to be endurance tests and not a race, and thus won by homers and not racers... forcing pigeons to fly in these tiny convoys taking days to home is in my eyes clearly a form of 'cruelty', pigeons become lost and disorientated, dehydrated and starving, then they become easy victims to a whole host of raptors, etc... not pigeon racing, IMO! :(

 

this year i was doing over 1005 ypm at 598mls. biggest buss iv had in pigeons clocking at 4.46 am. this was a racer not a homer

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this year i was doing over 1005 ypm at 598mls. biggest buss iv had in pigeons clocking at 4.46 am. this was a racer not a homer

1167 from 559miles 19.52 at night. Came from the south and burled the loft three times!!! Racing I thought? 2011 Tours

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John i think someone said the snprc had 62 birds at 600 miles and 36 timed

 

so the safty in numbers is pishe exscuse as the year before they went with the mighty up north combine and only got 3 doos , whats the 100k in the bank for expletive remove if they had all gone together cost would have been halfed to start with .

 

By the way im not a member of the snrpc but i think it was a great opertunity thrown away and one that might never come back to the table again .

rab whats wrong with both hitching a lift cutting cost even further , and as for p*ss exscuse I can have my say wheather you agree or not

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in this day and age when our sport is in an obvious state of decline, why do we have to fly from 600 miles plus... :emoticon-0138-thinking: no disrespect to any of the previous winners and there champion winning pigeons, but these races generally turn out to be endurance tests and not a race, and thus won by homers and not racers... forcing pigeons to fly in these tiny convoys taking days to home is in my eyes clearly a form of 'cruelty', pigeons become lost and disorientated, dehydrated and starving, then they become easy victims to a whole host of raptors, etc... not pigeon racing, IMO! :(

what about rennes 1997 with over 4000 doos only 20 home in race time

 

the dissaster of 2000 the alencon race 2 years ago ,, all disasters at shorter and with loads of doos competing . dont think the distance or the numbers count when its a bad yin . They must be cruel to as there were 1000,s lost :emoticon-0138-thinking:

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john for the last 10 years they have lost money fact the time has come two look at prize money falling birdage, : and joint libs

 

I do understand that John, and am as frustrated as the next man at the falling birdages to the longest races but the hazzards the doos face these days before they are mature enough to be sent 600+ miles has more to do with the reduced numbers than the costs involved.

 

As everyone knows i am ALL FOR joint libs and advocate it at every opportunity but the inland races were introduced to help cover the losses from the longest race and the Gold Cup, well that's what i understood it to be.

 

In saying that i think joint convoying should be exclusive to Scottish organisations as going with the English and Irish would imo be disastrous for us, especially if there was East in the wind. These are OMO's no more or less.

 

Plz excuse my ignorance but have the Irish and English already included Ypres in their programs in past seasons whilst we have been going?

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rab whats wrong with both hitching a lift cutting cost even further , and as for p*ss exscuse I can have my say wheather you agree or not

not you them saying you need safty in number better to get a pull up the road by some bigger orgs , nonsence

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lads before we talk about cruelty with pigeons did ye see the vid i put on here the other day im not having a go im just saying there a bigger war we will have to fight very soon :emoticon-0138-thinking:

never seen it jam put it back up . i had to waite half and hour on my wife making the dinner tonight now that is cruelty

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Bob I was one of the guys who was well up for going to the long race with a big convoy mnfc unc etc but opinions change and mine has!i think all scottish national birds should go on there own! 200 300 400 birds if that's what the body of the hall wants,let's get on with it. :partick-thistle-Crest:

Great that you have looked at it John , we would have a Scottish race controller and all birds coming into Scotland not stopping half way and our birds have to keep going . Oh and maybe a wee chance of reconciliation in the near future .

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