Ybs Survey Update Test Lofts

[grdkeith]

Having read the latest thread regarding the use of Permetherin in a number of test lofts for the 2017 season i would suggest that to get a true reflection of whether the above mentioned drug has an effect on the number of lofts infected and the severity of said infection then surely there should be the same amount of lofts in the study that have not and will not use the drug in any of its forms during 2017, otherwise the results will be of little use.

Without evidence from both user and non users the results will have nothing to compare with, problem being that non users will have to be willing to use no other preventatives or any of the other products that scored highly on the survey.

Look forward to hearing any thoughts on this !!

 

p.s. can i also ask ? have all test lofts agreed to bypass any other ybs treatments and other high scoring products for the sake of the study ?

ATB

[Wiley]

You are right keith otherwise the theosis couldnt be tested fairly

[dal2]

Surely if someone, like myself, that got it every year used team stuff and didn't get it then that's on the right road?

[greenlands]

Surely if someone, like myself, that got it every year used team stuff and didn't get it then that's on the right road?

Same here Steve,every season without fail.See what happens this one.

[Delboy]

Having read the latest thread regarding the use of Permetherin in a number of test lofts for the 2017 season i would suggest that to get a true reflection of whether the above mentioned drug has an effect on the number of lofts infected and the severity of said infection then surely there should be the same amount of lofts in the study that have not and will not use the drug in any of its forms during 2017, otherwise the results will be of little use.

Without evidence from both user and non users the results will have nothing to compare with, problem being that non users will have to be willing to use no other preventatives or any of the other products that scored highly on the survey.

Look forward to hearing any thoughts on this !!

 

p.s. can i also ask ? have all test lofts agreed to bypass any other ybs treatments and other high scoring products for the sake of the study ?

ATB

 

some good points but are everybody prepared to pay for the permitherin lol

Edited March 13, 2017 by Delboy

[grdkeith]

Surely if someone, like myself, that got it every year used team stuff and didn't get it then that's on the right road?

 

 

Agree but there are so many ifs and buts and without test lofts not using permitherin we could end up with people thinking it is a cure, I for one don't believe it is insect borne but that's just me!!

[peter dempsey]

I will defo give it a go this year for 2 long I have had this dreaded YBS

whats realy needed is more People like Ian ? keep up your great study Ian and please PM me regarding the product and costs posting ect

regards peter

[peter pandy]

I am inundated with moths and midges every year in the loft BUT have never ever experienced YBS nor do I spray willy nilly so do not believe its an insect borne disease, Sorry but I cannot help with your problems other than I know that fanciers who DO NOT Vaccinate have contracted it every year till they Vaccinated youngster when leaving the nest as I told them. FACTS..

[dal2]

I am inundated with moths and midges every year in the loft BUT have never ever experienced YBS nor do I spray willy nilly so do not believe its an insect borne disease, Sorry but I cannot help with your problems other than I know that fanciers who DO NOT Vaccinate have contracted it every year till they Vaccinated youngster when leaving the nest as I told them. FACTS..

Sorry Pedro but I tried vaccination when spaned but still got it.....not only that it was a really poor season with the yb racing

[walterboswell59]

all i need to know is if i use it and dont get youngbird sickness im happy dont need to know who did not use it and got it ian has come up with something that makes sence and is deff worth the effort to find out if it does not work its something else to rule out and will have done no harm in trying it if it does not work at least it will kill any lice or mite that may be hiding so whats the problem

[grdkeith]

all i need to know is if i use it and dont get youngbird sickness im happy dont need to know who did not use it and got it ian has come up with something that makes sence and is deff worth the effort to find out if it does not work its something else to rule out and will have done no harm in trying it if it does not work at least it will kill any lice or mite that may be hiding so whats the problem

 

 

dont see that there is a problem, the survey thread states that any questions can be aired in basics and that is what is being done, anything that might help prevention can only be good and there is no doubt a huge amount of effort has gone into this so far, i have two very good friends taking part in the test and wish them atb.

The survey has quite a few high scoring factors in it and my questions are based on how is the test going to pinpoint which ones are effective and will test lofts be abstaining from all other high scoring factors ?, also will they be using any other medicines etc whilst in test mode and also will there be a sample of lofts not in the test so we can see if there is a big difference in results, you can rest assured that if the results prove positive i will be looking down that route as well for prevention ATB

[Delboy]

I used the permitherin as instructed to the letter and im afraid to say it has no impact on YBS whatsoever. My loft has YBS , although mild, it is affecting half the team, I get it at this time EVERY YEAR , Cheers Derek Hay

[Kyleakin Lofts]

I used the permitherin as instructed to the letter and im afraid to say it has no impact on YBS whatsoever. My loft has YBS , although mild, it is affecting half the team, I get it at this time EVERY YEAR , Cheers Derek Hay

 

Derek, I've not seen many flies about as yet, so I very much doubt the permithrin has had time to have an effect. Perhaps the YBS stays dormant in the loft. It may be you require a year to let the test "bed in", just a guess.

[thunderbigbaws]

i get young birds sickness every year in april so thought i would give permitherin a bash. I sprayed loft, baskets,hoppers and even the ybirds when they were weened and i thought ive cracked it this year but hay hoo 28th april the 1st signs started to appear by the weekend it was full blown YBS. On the plus side ive not got any moths or beasties in the the loft or on the birds

[eastcoaster]

So have I just wasted my time soaking the loft and me this morning ready for my second round ybs ,happy to do test but have to say can't believe it is coming from insects .

[grdkeith]

i get young birds sickness every year in april so thought i would give permitherin a bash. I sprayed loft, baskets,hoppers and even the ybirds when they were weened and i thought ive cracked it this year but hay hoo 28th april the 1st signs started to appear by the weekend it was full blown YBS. On the plus side ive not got any moths or beasties in the the loft or on the birds

 

 

I have not used permetherin and I got it at the end of April and it now seems to be over(I hope) I don't believe that it is insect based and if it was in my case then the beasties must wear thermals cos it was freezing at the end of April

[Delboy]

i get young birds sickness every year in april so thought i would give permitherin a bash. I sprayed loft, baskets,hoppers and even the ybirds when they were weened and i thought ive cracked it this year but hay hoo 28th april the 1st signs started to appear by the weekend it was full blown YBS. On the plus side ive not got any moths or beasties in the the loft or on the birds

 

Ditto

[Roland]

walterboswell59 good post.

 

Like peter Pandy's post ditto.

I am inundated with moths and midges every year in the loft BUT have never ever experienced YBS nor do I spray willy nilly so do not believe its an insect borne disease, Sorry but I cannot help with your problems other than I know that fanciers who DO NOT Vaccinate have contracted it every year till they Vaccinated youngster when leaving the nest as I told them. FACTS...

 

But don't know what vaccination he is on about? I vac per rule regards Parvo... full stop.

I have moths etc. etc. like wise. Loft's loft is full of spider's webs too.

 

Why I am also blessed by the fact I have escaped this pest of YBS too...

 

Often thought that once a bird had had YBS then it's youngsters should be immune against it .... But by the looks of the posts it seems that they aren't!

Maybe one should look at the past / current level of incense breeding eh!

[tambla51]

I am inundated with moths and midges every year in the loft BUT have never ever experienced YBS nor do I spray willy nilly so do not believe its an insect borne disease, Sorry but I cannot help with your problems other than I know that fanciers who DO NOT Vaccinate have contracted it every year till they Vaccinated youngster when leaving the nest as I told them. FACTS..

when I had them racing I had it every year since 1996 without fail.and have always jagged either in nest, weaning etc. Up to 2014 and never found it a problem usher than the scrubbing the lofts out.

[Rainman]

How do fanciers treat for the ybs if they get it

[novo10]

A can tell you straight away we soaked our lofts before young birds went in it and we have already had young bird sickness so for me it's aload of sh**

Edited May 15, 2017 by novo10

[paddymac]

I have not used permetherin and I got it at the end of April and it now seems to be over(I hope) I don't believe that it is insect based and if it was in my case then the beasties must wear thermals cos it was freezing at the end of April

Quite cold here in the North of Ireland so haven't had too many flies about the lofts as yet. I just finished weaning off my final Ybs last week and thankfully no sign of any Ybs. I have to agree with some of the opinions about it not being and insect caused problem. I continue to use virkon S weekly to keep the bad bugs at bay.

[grdkeith]

Quite cold here in the North of Ireland so haven't had too many flies about the lofts as yet. I just finished weaning off my final Ybs last week and thankfully no sign of any Ybs. I have to agree with some of the opinions about it not being and insect caused problem. I continue to use virkon S weekly to keep the bad bugs at bay.

 

 

For arguments sake let's assume is is caused or carried by insects,would virkon s have the same effect as permetherin or any other insecticide?

[Kyleakin Lofts]

Virkon S sprayed on the loft should keep down moulds and spores during the damp season when they proliferate. In the drinking water, I know some do not advocate this, it kills all bacteria in the gut and therefore probiotics and prebiotics are required to reline the gut. I suppose the theory is to kill off the bad bugs and prevent disease, then start again. Some do this on a weekly regime when racing.

[grdkeith]

Virkon S sprayed on the loft should keep down moulds and spores during the damp season when they proliferate. In the drinking water, I know some do not advocate this, it kills all bacteria in the gut and therefore probiotics and prebiotics are required to reline the gut. I suppose the theory is to kill off the bad bugs and prevent disease, then start again. Some do this on a weekly regime when racing.

 

Any properties that it shares with permetherin?