500 Ml Feeding , Something Different

[geordie1234]

I sometimes wonder if I needed a bird to do 1300 from the channel would I be disappointed...... we have the same problem with the Kirkpatricks doon here when it's not as hard as it could be

Geoff Cooper said he is constantly introducing speed into his distance team...admittedly he did say it doesn't always work..

 

But there is going to be those races that a plodder will be all ye need..

 

mind you I'd take anything I could get from the race or any race for that matter pmsl

[Kyleakin Lofts]

My opinion, for what very little it is worth, considering I got a nose bleed sending to 280 miles during 2015 season for the first time, or in other words, having no experience whatsoever, and therefore my opinion is of little regard.

 

There is a vast difference to a 500 mile continental race and a 500 mile Scottish race. Why?

 

I remember back in the late 60's / early 70's an old successful West of Scotland fancier telling me that the Belgian pigeons flew over flat lands. At that time I didn't comprehend what he was talking about.

 

Racing 500 measured miles into Scotland could mean your pigeon is flying nearer to 600 miles due to the terrain it must pass through. They have to circumnavigate the hills and mountains to find their route and this takes place at the end of their arduous journey. The terrain is less forgiving than the continental terrain or even that in the south of England, then you must add the modern problem of an excess of BOP.

 

Given these circumstances, 40 or 60 miles could make a vast difference to an already tired pigeon.

[Novice]

It's all very well speaking about feeding but that is only a guide. Any system of feeding must be integrated into the management system. I agree that pigeons are dependant on fats for fuel. What we need to ensure is that we don't overdo it and these fats remain as available fats and don't turn to fat-fats which would be a handicap.

 

For me one of the areas where this all falls down is when the birds awaiting liberation are fed a diet which can often be inappropriate. I believe this can undo a great deal of the preparatory work done by the fancier at home.

[Delboy]

Suppose this is one of the reasons why it's the most prestigous race in the calender

But then you look at Dorin Melinte the races he says yearlings to is unreal

Some of his yearlings go to 514 Mls and Dorin is a friend of mine and has had great success at extreme distance this year although just started in sport, he has the enthusiasm that's needed.514 Mls in London is equal to Ypres here Geo

[geordie1234]

Some of his yearlings go to 514 Mls and Dorin is a friend of mine and has had great success at extreme distance this year although just started in sport, he has the enthusiasm that's needed.514 Mls in London is equal to Ypres here Geo

He's a top class doo man and aint scared of no distance flying a very small team....maybe your telling him too much lol

[Delboy]

Lol, he is unorthodox m8 and very up for distance racing

[geordie1234]

Lol, he is unorthodox m8 and very up for distance racing

Need to take a leaf out his book lol

[Delboy]

Need to take a leaf out his book lol

 

 

He's had a great start m8, it's how you deal with the many disappointments that distance races bring that determines if you've got it or not lol

[lanarkshire lad]

Sorry for not having my finger on the pulse but who is this Dorin melinte? ive never heard of him.

[clockman]

http://www.elimarpigeons.com/ArticleA/DMelinte.htm

[eastcoaster]

Keep them coming lads this is what it used to be like at nat marking every one trying to get an edge by feeding/ training differently .

I have brought a few birds in recently from various sources with one thing in common they all come from Nfc/Bicc/Snfc/ Nat winners over 600 ml now I am also different to most in that I do not accept that birds from south of the border will not win north of the border ! I totally believe that blood from great pigeons is blood from great pigeons no matter where they are from ,jan Arden's are,nt scottish but they do well here deweerts are not scottish they are starting to come through the list goes on , it may take a few years to weed out the non tryers but I believe a good fancier will come good no matter where they come from jmo

Motivation is as much to do with success as feeding in my book but without one or other they won't put that extra effort ,my blue cock that scored from Eastbourne and clermont was feeding 3 ybs 2 from his first round and one from his next , he just loves his babies .

[geordie1234]

Great topic guys

[dal2]

Geoff Cooper said he is constantly introducing speed into his distance team...admittedly he did say it doesn't always work..

 

But there is going to be those races that a plodder will be all ye need..

 

mind you I'd take anything I could get from the race or any race for that matter pmsl

Hoddom Dynamo 1st open Falaise etc was a van Reet x Kirkpatrick

[geordie1234]

Hoddom Dynamo 1st open Falaise etc was a van Reet x Kirkpatrick

Well there ye go

[maverick]

Keep them coming lads this is what it used to be like at nat marking every one trying to get an edge by feeding/ training differently .

I have brought a few birds in recently from various sources with one thing in common they all come from Nfc/Bicc/Snfc/ Nat winners over 600 ml now I am also different to most in that I do not accept that birds from south of the border will not win north of the border ! I totally believe that blood from great pigeons is blood from great pigeons no matter where they are from ,jan Arden's are,nt scottish but they do well here deweerts are not scottish they are starting to come through the list goes on , it may take a few years to weed out the non tryers but I believe a good fancier will come good no matter where they come from jmo

Motivation is as much to do with success as feeding in my book but without one or other they won't put that extra effort ,my blue cock that scored from Eastbourne and clermont was feeding 3 ybs 2 from his first round and one from his next , he just loves

 

 

As Eddie Newcombe keeps telling me the apple never falls far from the tree

[Mossgiel]

Hoddom Dynamo 1st open Falaise etc was a van Reet x Kirkpatrick

 

Was there a bit of Adair in her bloodlines ?

[dal2]

Was there a bit of Adair in her bloodlines ?

Yip. Kirkpatrick side

[Mossgiel]

Keep them coming lads this is what it used to be like at nat marking every one trying to get an edge by feeding/ training differently .

I have brought a few birds in recently from various sources with one thing in common they all come from Nfc/Bicc/Snfc/ Nat winners over 600 ml now I am also different to most in that I do not accept that birds from south of the border will not win north of the border ! I totally believe that blood from great pigeons is blood from great pigeons no matter where they are from ,jan Arden's are,nt scottish but they do well here deweerts are not scottish they are starting to come through the list goes on , it may take a few years to weed out the non tryers but I believe a good fancier will come good no matter where they come from jmo

Motivation is as much to do with success as feeding in my book but without one or other they won't put that extra effort ,my blue cock that scored from Eastbourne and clermont was feeding 3 ybs 2 from his first round and one from his next , he just loves his babies .

 

One of the best distance lofts in Scotland [imo ], the late Dennis Dall, Ladybank , regularly brought in a cross from winning lofts, south of the border - Bainton of Wimbourne, Fear Brothers, Tom Ryding of Banks, Tommy Gilbertson, Morgan & Cooke, Gibbon, Son & Haswell, all left their mark in the Dall loft.

 

Good pigeons can win into any location, irrespective of route.

[Delboy]

One of the best distance lofts in Scotland [imo ], the late Dennis Dall, Ladybank , regularly brought in a cross from winning lofts, south of the border - Bainton of Wimbourne, Fear Brothers, Tom Ryding of Banks, Tommy Gilbertson, Morgan & Cooke, Gibbon, Son & Haswell, all left their mark in the Dall loft.

 

Good pigeons can win into any location, irrespective of route.

 

Very true Brian and I think you could find a very good pigeon in almost every loft, not just the well known ones.

[Guest johnhunter]

Very true Brian and I think you could find a very good pigeon in almost every loft, not just the well known ones.

well said delboy,and in my opinion feeding has f all to do with it ,look at the old timers they did not have all the fancy feeds that there is now and they could still rattle them out of the nationals, beans at that time was the staple diet, so it boils down to the pigeon

[peter dempsey]

many roads to Rome as they say, first you must have the right birds

then you must put the proper fuel into the bird IMO they both go hand in hand

the lofts that are winning at the distance have everything down to a fine art

? what do I know as I have never flown the distance

as I said those who are winning at the distance are doing it right

and not all doing the same thing or feeding the same the one thing they have in common is there birds are up for the job and they know how to condition them for the task ahead

[MIK]

crackin thread ...enjoyed the read, keep it coming , i can only learn fron this