Proposed 700 Ml Racing Into Central Scotland .

[moscow master]

The padfields been doing it for years into the same terrain as us and beating guys flying 200mls shorter into the valleys good doos win anywhere imo

[DJL]

Richard & Jamie Combe were flying with BICC. Not sure about NFC. The NFC regularly get birds at 700+ miles from Tarbes in good time. Brian Denney etc

[geordie1234]

Elphinstone?

Yeah mate

[JonesyBhoy]

Yeah mate

 

he on a same playing field to Ally in Oban?

 

The padfields been doing it for years into the same terrain as us and beating guys flying 200mls shorter into the valleys good doos win anywhere imo

 

their immediate terrain is the same.. doos in to the west of Scotland have far more of it to face..

[geordie1234]

Don't think anyone is on the same playing field as Ally tbh

 

Bt I fail to see your point really...you live were you live and there are options racing from 700 800 and it is possible

 

If a fancier wants to race it then fire in

 

Yes we have mountains and hills etc bt hasn't stopped great performances on the night etc from the channel

 

Finly brothers 675 on the day into Cambuslang

Edited December 11, 2016 by geordie1234

[JonesyBhoy]

my point is 700 miles just isnt 700 miles in to different ares... its no dis-creedit to anyone fancier or doo that flys it... its just diferent... 700 miles to London cannot be the same as 700 miles to Glasgow

[jbee]

Brian Denney and Dave Implett 748mls on the day from Tarbes a number of years ago.

[moscow master]

The skill a went to 700 MLS is 700 MLS regardless where you live the doos aren't climbing the terrain if the doos spot on and the weather suits your part of the country you'll get them to many make excuses tbh jock Ellis done it and Alan raeside holds the record for over 1000mls and he's in Irvine there's plenty done it before it's not impossible but you've got to send

[JonesyBhoy]

im not saying its impossible at all.. and fair play to the very very very few who have done it in over 100 yesars of rcaing in to Scotland....

 

But 700 miles to Glasgow is a complete different game to 700 miles in to the South of England or Belgium or Holland

[VMS]

The skill a went to 700 MLS is 700 MLS regardless where you live the doos aren't climbing the terrain if the doos spot on and the weather suits your part of the country you'll get them to many make excuses tbh jock Ellis done it and Alan raeside holds the record for over 1000mls and he's in Irvine there's plenty done it before it's not impossible but you've got to send

Totally disagree 700 miles into Kent from the continent is completely different from 700 miles into the west of Scotland,if some enter and are successful you will see the difference

[yeboah]

If Scottish fanciers are not willing to race the Cherbourg peninsula from 500-600 miles

Why would they be clambering to race the same route from 800 mls

Just asking like ?

[VMS]

If Scottish fanciers are not willing to race the Cherbourg peninsula from 500-600 miles

Why would they be clambering to race the same route from 800 mls

Just asking like ?

There will be no clambering you will be lucky if there a handful but good luck to the few that try,would love to have a go one day but for me it's 4 year old plus birds that have been over the channel several times and there hard to come by but as I said if I had the birds I would certainly give it a go

[JonesyBhoy]

be lucky if you could name 50 fanciers to time over 700 miles in to Scotland in its history..

 

Could name 50 in England over the passed 2/3/4 seasons

[yeboah]

There will be no clambering you will be lucky if there a handful but good luck to the few that try,would love to have a go one day but for me it's 4 year old plus birds that have been over the channel several times and there hard to come by but as I said if I had the birds I would certainly give it a go

Agree Vinnie

But for that to be successful they would first have to be educated on line of flight

[WHITTY]

WILSON NOBLE FRASERBURGH WITH SIR LANCALOT 1000 MILES FROM ROME I THINK HE HOLD THE RECORD

[Big Davie]

im not saying its impossible at all.. and fair play to the very very very few who have done it in over 100 yesars of rcaing in to Scotland....

 

But 700 miles to Glasgow is a complete different game to 700 miles in to the South of England or Belgium or Holland

 

 

Totally disagree 700 miles into Kent from the continent is completely different from 700 miles into the west of Scotland,if some enter and are successful you will see the difference

There is no doubt 700 MLS into Scotland can be done and that it will take good doors to do it, but you are both spot on, 700 / 800 into let's say the whole of Scotland is a whole different ball game from 700 into the south coast of England IMO

[Rooster J. Cogburn]

be lucky if you could name 50 fanciers to time over 700 miles in to Scotland in its history..

 

Could name 50 in England over the passed 2/3/4 seasons

 

1977- Ritchie & Whyte's 'Jubilee Express' 723miles on the day. That's the game

 

 

 

 

 

[blue pied]

I remember seeing an NFC result not too long ago (within the last five years) and somebody from Scotland timed in 2 within seconds of each other I'm sure it was just over 800 miles (802?) Maybe 2nd day?

Les McKay of Carnoustie?

[blue pied]

Les McKay of Carnoustie?

760 miles to him

 

No even a pigeon been sent yet and there's folk saying the terrain is to hard. Maybe we just need to find pigeons that will cope with the terrain? I think you'd be surprised at how many CAN do it.

[Kyleakin Lofts]

Timing and miles on the wing will be a problem. These races are at an earlier time than our National races, so a specialist club may be needed to allow time on wing before sending with organisations from the south of England.

 

There have been a lot of problems raised in this discussion, but problems do not mean it is an impossible task. You have to be aware of the problems to manage a work-round.

 

I would be very interested in answers to the original questions regarding preparation for these events. This is where the coming together of ideas may bring resultant success.

[midnight_son]

Just to clarify the comments about the races that we have been racing in the last few years. We have been members of BICC and of the NEGDC (North East Greater Distance Club). As Davie L said, we have not sent to NFC.

 

The NEGDC doesn't get a whole lot of publicity but is basically a specialist club for lofts in the UNC area that I approached to get some extra distance races. They fly with Yorkshire federations and have a coast race followed by channel races from the back end of May, from Falaise and Le Mans and Poitiers, ending up with a Bordeaux race joint convoyed with Midlands National. We have sent to their Bedhampton, Falaise and Le Mans races fairly regularly over the last 3 years, as they come along before the SNFC channel races start and allow them to double back. Once the SNFC channel programme kicks in, we send only with SNFC. In 2015 we sent to the Bordeaux race at the end of the season (the week after the last SNFC race). I think we fly 777m from there. Sent 1 got 1 but it was a smash of a race. The intention was to send that cock from Bordeaux to the Agen International this year but for some reason he was struggling all year and we stopped him well before Agen.

 

With BICC we have only sent to Le Mans when the race was moved to the week after the SNFC programme ended. In the last 2 years we had pigeons ready to send to Poitiers (670m) with BICC in mid June but in both years the forecast was dire and we never sent them. Just as well as it turned out. Maybe next year we will get there.

[Henrik]

Howz that

Because the ones in the West are trained to fly a dog-leg instead of a straight line home

[Kyleakin Lofts]

Just to clarify the comments about the races that we have been racing in the last few years. We have been members of BICC and of the NEGDC (North East Greater Distance Club). As Davie L said, we have not sent to NFC.

 

The NEGDC doesn't get a whole lot of publicity but is basically a specialist club for lofts in the UNC area that I approached to get some extra distance races. They fly with Yorkshire federations and have a coast race followed by channel races from the back end of May, from Falaise and Le Mans and Poitiers, ending up with a Bordeaux race joint convoyed with Midlands National. We have sent to their Bedhampton, Falaise and Le Mans races fairly regularly over the last 3 years, as they come along before the SNFC channel races start and allow them to double back. Once the SNFC channel programme kicks in, we send only with SNFC. In 2015 we sent to the Bordeaux race at the end of the season (the week after the last SNFC race). I think we fly 777m from there. Sent 1 got 1 but it was a smash of a race. The intention was to send that cock from Bordeaux to the Agen International this year but for some reason he was struggling all year and we stopped him well before Agen.

 

With BICC we have only sent to Le Mans when the race was moved to the week after the SNFC programme ended. In the last 2 years we had pigeons ready to send to Poitiers (670m) with BICC in mid June but in both years the forecast was dire and we never sent them. Just as well as it turned out. Maybe next year we will get there.

 

This answers the problem I raised, if some tie in could be made. The other problems would not be unsurmountable if the preparation was correct.

 

Will anyone post the preparation for complete novices like myself.

[jbee]

This answers the problem I raised, if some tie in could be made. The other problems would not be unsurmountable if the preparation was correct.

 

Will anyone post the preparation for complete novices like myself.

What we need is the likes of John Rumney,Bob McKie and Anderson & son fron the UNC area to explain how they do it. Speaking a few times with John Rumney it would shock the majority of fanciers how he gets his birds ready for these BICC races. His birds will be at Falaise at the end of April 17! Approx 420 mls ,most of us are at only 100mls. We also need to have a look at the procedures Of the likes of John Ellis and the top guys in the North Section of the SNFC. These guys are timing in regular at approx 700mls.

[dkj]

What we need is the likes of John Rumney,Bob McKie and Anderson & son fron the UNC area to explain how they do it. Speaking a few times with John Rumney it would shock the majority of fanciers how he gets his birds ready for these BICC races. His birds will be at Falaise at the end of April 17! Approx 420 mls ,most of us are at only 100mls. We also need to have a look at the procedures Of the likes of John Ellis and the top guys in the North Section of the SNFC. These guys are timing in regular at approx 700mls.

think these would be the best two pigeon men in britain to ask about 600ml plus racing, brian denny, in the nfc against the full of england and winning at 750ml/ jim donaldson peterhead, with the snfc 30 years of winning 600ml plus races,

 

good pigeons prepared right win no matter were you stay , south/east/north/west, makes no differnce,, time on wing is the killer