moscow master Posted December 11, 2016 Report Share Posted December 11, 2016 The padfields been doing it for years into the same terrain as us and beating guys flying 200mls shorter into the valleys good doos win anywhere imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJL Posted December 11, 2016 Report Share Posted December 11, 2016 Richard & Jamie Combe were flying with BICC. Not sure about NFC. The NFC regularly get birds at 700+ miles from Tarbes in good time. Brian Denney etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordie1234 Posted December 11, 2016 Report Share Posted December 11, 2016 Elphinstone?Yeah mate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonesyBhoy Posted December 11, 2016 Report Share Posted December 11, 2016 Yeah mate he on a same playing field to Ally in Oban? The padfields been doing it for years into the same terrain as us and beating guys flying 200mls shorter into the valleys good doos win anywhere imo their immediate terrain is the same.. doos in to the west of Scotland have far more of it to face.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordie1234 Posted December 11, 2016 Report Share Posted December 11, 2016 (edited) Don't think anyone is on the same playing field as Ally tbh Bt I fail to see your point really...you live were you live and there are options racing from 700 800 and it is possible If a fancier wants to race it then fire in Yes we have mountains and hills etc bt hasn't stopped great performances on the night etc from the channel Finly brothers 675 on the day into Cambuslang Edited December 11, 2016 by geordie1234 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonesyBhoy Posted December 11, 2016 Report Share Posted December 11, 2016 my point is 700 miles just isnt 700 miles in to different ares... its no dis-creedit to anyone fancier or doo that flys it... its just diferent... 700 miles to London cannot be the same as 700 miles to Glasgow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbee Posted December 11, 2016 Report Share Posted December 11, 2016 Brian Denney and Dave Implett 748mls on the day from Tarbes a number of years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moscow master Posted December 11, 2016 Report Share Posted December 11, 2016 The skill a went to 700 MLS is 700 MLS regardless where you live the doos aren't climbing the terrain if the doos spot on and the weather suits your part of the country you'll get them to many make excuses tbh jock Ellis done it and Alan raeside holds the record for over 1000mls and he's in Irvine there's plenty done it before it's not impossible but you've got to send Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonesyBhoy Posted December 11, 2016 Report Share Posted December 11, 2016 im not saying its impossible at all.. and fair play to the very very very few who have done it in over 100 yesars of rcaing in to Scotland.... But 700 miles to Glasgow is a complete different game to 700 miles in to the South of England or Belgium or Holland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VMS Posted December 11, 2016 Report Share Posted December 11, 2016 The skill a went to 700 MLS is 700 MLS regardless where you live the doos aren't climbing the terrain if the doos spot on and the weather suits your part of the country you'll get them to many make excuses tbh jock Ellis done it and Alan raeside holds the record for over 1000mls and he's in Irvine there's plenty done it before it's not impossible but you've got to sendTotally disagree 700 miles into Kent from the continent is completely different from 700 miles into the west of Scotland,if some enter and are successful you will see the difference Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yeboah Posted December 11, 2016 Report Share Posted December 11, 2016 If Scottish fanciers are not willing to race the Cherbourg peninsula from 500-600 miles Why would they be clambering to race the same route from 800 mls Just asking like ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VMS Posted December 11, 2016 Report Share Posted December 11, 2016 If Scottish fanciers are not willing to race the Cherbourg peninsula from 500-600 miles Why would they be clambering to race the same route from 800 mls Just asking like ?There will be no clambering you will be lucky if there a handful but good luck to the few that try,would love to have a go one day but for me it's 4 year old plus birds that have been over the channel several times and there hard to come by but as I said if I had the birds I would certainly give it a go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonesyBhoy Posted December 11, 2016 Report Share Posted December 11, 2016 be lucky if you could name 50 fanciers to time over 700 miles in to Scotland in its history.. Could name 50 in England over the passed 2/3/4 seasons Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yeboah Posted December 11, 2016 Report Share Posted December 11, 2016 There will be no clambering you will be lucky if there a handful but good luck to the few that try,would love to have a go one day but for me it's 4 year old plus birds that have been over the channel several times and there hard to come by but as I said if I had the birds I would certainly give it a goAgree Vinnie But for that to be successful they would first have to be educated on line of flight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHITTY Posted December 11, 2016 Report Share Posted December 11, 2016 WILSON NOBLE FRASERBURGH WITH SIR LANCALOT 1000 MILES FROM ROME I THINK HE HOLD THE RECORD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Davie Posted December 11, 2016 Report Share Posted December 11, 2016 im not saying its impossible at all.. and fair play to the very very very few who have done it in over 100 yesars of rcaing in to Scotland.... But 700 miles to Glasgow is a complete different game to 700 miles in to the South of England or Belgium or Holland Totally disagree 700 miles into Kent from the continent is completely different from 700 miles into the west of Scotland,if some enter and are successful you will see the differenceThere is no doubt 700 MLS into Scotland can be done and that it will take good doors to do it, but you are both spot on, 700 / 800 into let's say the whole of Scotland is a whole different ball game from 700 into the south coast of England IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rooster J. Cogburn Posted December 11, 2016 Report Share Posted December 11, 2016 be lucky if you could name 50 fanciers to time over 700 miles in to Scotland in its history.. Could name 50 in England over the passed 2/3/4 seasons 1977- Ritchie & Whyte's 'Jubilee Express' 723miles on the day. That's the game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue pied Posted December 11, 2016 Report Share Posted December 11, 2016 I remember seeing an NFC result not too long ago (within the last five years) and somebody from Scotland timed in 2 within seconds of each other I'm sure it was just over 800 miles (802?) Maybe 2nd day?Les McKay of Carnoustie? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue pied Posted December 11, 2016 Report Share Posted December 11, 2016 Les McKay of Carnoustie?760 miles to him No even a pigeon been sent yet and there's folk saying the terrain is to hard. Maybe we just need to find pigeons that will cope with the terrain? I think you'd be surprised at how many CAN do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyleakin Lofts Posted December 12, 2016 Report Share Posted December 12, 2016 Timing and miles on the wing will be a problem. These races are at an earlier time than our National races, so a specialist club may be needed to allow time on wing before sending with organisations from the south of England. There have been a lot of problems raised in this discussion, but problems do not mean it is an impossible task. You have to be aware of the problems to manage a work-round. I would be very interested in answers to the original questions regarding preparation for these events. This is where the coming together of ideas may bring resultant success. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midnight_son Posted December 12, 2016 Report Share Posted December 12, 2016 Just to clarify the comments about the races that we have been racing in the last few years. We have been members of BICC and of the NEGDC (North East Greater Distance Club). As Davie L said, we have not sent to NFC. The NEGDC doesn't get a whole lot of publicity but is basically a specialist club for lofts in the UNC area that I approached to get some extra distance races. They fly with Yorkshire federations and have a coast race followed by channel races from the back end of May, from Falaise and Le Mans and Poitiers, ending up with a Bordeaux race joint convoyed with Midlands National. We have sent to their Bedhampton, Falaise and Le Mans races fairly regularly over the last 3 years, as they come along before the SNFC channel races start and allow them to double back. Once the SNFC channel programme kicks in, we send only with SNFC. In 2015 we sent to the Bordeaux race at the end of the season (the week after the last SNFC race). I think we fly 777m from there. Sent 1 got 1 but it was a smash of a race. The intention was to send that cock from Bordeaux to the Agen International this year but for some reason he was struggling all year and we stopped him well before Agen. With BICC we have only sent to Le Mans when the race was moved to the week after the SNFC programme ended. In the last 2 years we had pigeons ready to send to Poitiers (670m) with BICC in mid June but in both years the forecast was dire and we never sent them. Just as well as it turned out. Maybe next year we will get there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henrik Posted December 12, 2016 Report Share Posted December 12, 2016 Howz thatBecause the ones in the West are trained to fly a dog-leg instead of a straight line home Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyleakin Lofts Posted December 12, 2016 Report Share Posted December 12, 2016 Just to clarify the comments about the races that we have been racing in the last few years. We have been members of BICC and of the NEGDC (North East Greater Distance Club). As Davie L said, we have not sent to NFC. The NEGDC doesn't get a whole lot of publicity but is basically a specialist club for lofts in the UNC area that I approached to get some extra distance races. They fly with Yorkshire federations and have a coast race followed by channel races from the back end of May, from Falaise and Le Mans and Poitiers, ending up with a Bordeaux race joint convoyed with Midlands National. We have sent to their Bedhampton, Falaise and Le Mans races fairly regularly over the last 3 years, as they come along before the SNFC channel races start and allow them to double back. Once the SNFC channel programme kicks in, we send only with SNFC. In 2015 we sent to the Bordeaux race at the end of the season (the week after the last SNFC race). I think we fly 777m from there. Sent 1 got 1 but it was a smash of a race. The intention was to send that cock from Bordeaux to the Agen International this year but for some reason he was struggling all year and we stopped him well before Agen. With BICC we have only sent to Le Mans when the race was moved to the week after the SNFC programme ended. In the last 2 years we had pigeons ready to send to Poitiers (670m) with BICC in mid June but in both years the forecast was dire and we never sent them. Just as well as it turned out. Maybe next year we will get there. This answers the problem I raised, if some tie in could be made. The other problems would not be unsurmountable if the preparation was correct. Will anyone post the preparation for complete novices like myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbee Posted December 12, 2016 Report Share Posted December 12, 2016 This answers the problem I raised, if some tie in could be made. The other problems would not be unsurmountable if the preparation was correct. Will anyone post the preparation for complete novices like myself. What we need is the likes of John Rumney,Bob McKie and Anderson & son fron the UNC area to explain how they do it. Speaking a few times with John Rumney it would shock the majority of fanciers how he gets his birds ready for these BICC races. His birds will be at Falaise at the end of April 17! Approx 420 mls ,most of us are at only 100mls. We also need to have a look at the procedures Of the likes of John Ellis and the top guys in the North Section of the SNFC. These guys are timing in regular at approx 700mls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkj Posted December 12, 2016 Report Share Posted December 12, 2016 What we need is the likes of John Rumney,Bob McKie and Anderson & son fron the UNC area to explain how they do it. Speaking a few times with John Rumney it would shock the majority of fanciers how he gets his birds ready for these BICC races. His birds will be at Falaise at the end of April 17! Approx 420 mls ,most of us are at only 100mls. We also need to have a look at the procedures Of the likes of John Ellis and the top guys in the North Section of the SNFC. These guys are timing in regular at approx 700mls. think these would be the best two pigeon men in britain to ask about 600ml plus racing, brian denny, in the nfc against the full of england and winning at 750ml/ jim donaldson peterhead, with the snfc 30 years of winning 600ml plus races, good pigeons prepared right win no matter were you stay , south/east/north/west, makes no differnce,, time on wing is the killer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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