Young Bird Sickness

[Roland]

dal12, be that as you rib... Maybe you mean Quality Keepers as to racers .... But the reality is simple. No one can say 'Every One'! To do so is flamboyant bordering on self deceit. An impossible reality to say the least.

I've spent a lot of money 3 years back in trying to cure incurable birds. Due to my own stupidity and taking a silly chance. I've over the years have encounter most ailment regards the pigeons in my care. I've learnt the hard way.I've listen to those that actually know, and determined the reality of what is said.

Y/bs is often said to be stress related! So deal with that. Others say drinkers in panniers / race birds infecting them.... Harder to deal with if true. BUT only if the birds lack good health and a constitution in the first place.

Like Ian has done, wouldn't it be sharper to ASK etc. instead of going along with excuses because of ones' only failings?

 

KYLEAKING silly endorsement ... but then you are renowned for running with the fox and hounds... To be in the IN CROWD.

[just ask me]

what is young bird sickness

[cemetary]

what is young bird sickness

 

 

When a birds sick ya DAFTY, :lol: :lol:

[just ask me]

When a birds sick ya DAFTY, :lol: :lol:

 

 

what did the doctor say you have because its a lot worse than young bird sickness

[dal2]

dal12, be that as you rib... Maybe you mean Quality Keepers as to racers .... But the reality is simple. No one can say 'Every One'! To do so is flamboyant bordering on self deceit. An impossible reality to say the least.

I've spent a lot of money 3 years back in trying to cure incurable birds. Due to my own stupidity and taking a silly chance. I've over the years have encounter most ailment regards the pigeons in my care. I've learnt the hard way.I've listen to those that actually know, and determined the reality of what is said.

Y/bs is often said to be stress related! So deal with that. Others say drinkers in panniers / race birds infecting them.... Harder to deal with if true. BUT only if the birds lack good health and a constitution in the first place.

Like Ian has done, wouldn't it be sharper to ASK etc. instead of going along with excuses because of ones' only failings?

 

KYLEAKING silly endorsement ... but then you are renowned for running with the fox and hounds... To be in the IN CROWD.

Roly. You are obviously doing something diffo from the rest of us. Do you train? What age do you start. When do you start breeding. What do you feed them.....this I assume what Ian is asking for so instead of telling us that you have never had it tell us what you are doing so we can find the common denominator

[We man]

For all the people who have had it I take it they know the cure,seems to be a secret as when I read articles in the pigeon press I have never once seen fanciers who say they get it disclosing how they cured it,have heard from others what they have tried its enough to put life into a corpse lol.

[leslie24williams49]

try coli killer by mick collins,from pj lofts..if you have a ybs. problem..

[Mossgiel]

Ive watched it for many years and here is what I think.Its a virus with many variants. It goes from ( MILD )not responding to a call to come in for a feed to ( FATAL )falling off the perch dead. Every loft has had it to a degree. Its like saying you have a classroom of kids and have never had any went down with a virus, this is complete nonsense imo. Some people say they haven't had it because they think it reflects on their own management, well this is nonsense as well as the virus cant be avoided im afraid. The best you can hope for is a very mild, short lasting dose of it.The last 2 years ive had it very mild, in fact 99% of fanciers probably wouldn't notice it because it was only a few retaining a very small bit of feed longer than usual. No other signs but I knew it was the YBS because it happens in my loft at around the same time every year. The Adeno VIRUS isn't the killer, its the secondary infection ( usually e coli or circovirus ) that does the damage.ps. If you get full blown Adenovirus then the birds need FIVE to SIX weeks to fully recover, although they start flying around the loft well after only a week, they are not ready for the stress of the race basket.omho

 

Good informative post

[We man]

try coli killer by mick collins,from pj lofts..if you have a ybs. problem..

Thanks,if I ever get it will keep that in mind,not an antibiotic I hope as I have never used them or intend to.

[dal2]

I use adenosan sometimes. Sometimes I go nat yog route. I built a hospital that has a strict admittance strategy and I think that has really helped

[leslie24williams49]

Thanks,if I ever get it will keep that in mind,not an antibiotic I hope as I have never used them or intend to.

i don,t think it is an antibiotic,used it this year with good results so there you go..

[lanarkshire lad]

The best that I have used is Belgamco from belgica deweerdt and Adenosan from chevita used at the same time but very expensive.

[Kyleakin Lofts]

dal12, be that as you rib... Maybe you mean Quality Keepers as to racers .... But the reality is simple. No one can say 'Every One'! To do so is flamboyant bordering on self deceit. An impossible reality to say the least.

I've spent a lot of money 3 years back in trying to cure incurable birds. Due to my own stupidity and taking a silly chance. I've over the years have encounter most ailment regards the pigeons in my care. I've learnt the hard way.I've listen to those that actually know, and determined the reality of what is said.

Y/bs is often said to be stress related! So deal with that. Others say drinkers in panniers / race birds infecting them.... Harder to deal with if true. BUT only if the birds lack good health and a constitution in the first place.

Like Ian has done, wouldn't it be sharper to ASK etc. instead of going along with excuses because of ones' only failings?

 

KYLEAKING silly endorsement ... but then you are renowned for running with the fox and hounds... To be in the IN CROWD.

 

Roly, I thought you used the old fashioned methods. Lime in water, etc, etc. However if you do not wish my silly endorsement then I shall remove it.

 

Quality racers like you are maybe the only exception roly?

 

Stevie you are incorrect, quality racers are not the only exceptions. Roly is one of the exceptions, but does not want to be regarded as a quality racer.

[Kyleakin Lofts]

Roly. You are obviously doing something diffo from the rest of us. Do you train? What age do you start. When do you start breeding. What do you feed them.....this I assume what Ian is asking for so instead of telling us that you have never had it tell us what you are doing so we can find the common denominator

 

Roly has posted his methods on several occasions. He may so do again. Lime in the water, onions hanging in the loft, I believe they have to be cut open to draw the impurities, etc. I am sure, Stevie, that your dad will be aware of a few of these methods as they were the old fashioned methods.

[Delboy]

Roly has posted his methods on several occasions. He may so do again. Lime in the water, onions hanging in the loft, I believe they have to be cut open to draw the impurities, etc. I am sure, Stevie, that your dad will be aware of a few of these methods as they were the old fashioned methods.

 

Y B S is a virus, you cant avoid it , not even with onions lol.

[William Reid]

what is young bird sickness

First stage is crop canker (wet canker) and if you watch the early stages birds will move crop about when eating before the growth takes control of the crop . Omho

[just ask me]

Y B S is a virus, you cant avoid it , not even with onions lol.

 

Delboy bang on its viral and if someone has created a super resistance in there birds they should really contact the university of Ghent as I'm sure they would love to know how also id be sure you would be paid very handsomely

[William Reid]

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[moscow master]

Y B S is a virus, you cant avoid it , not even with onions lol.

Pmsl onions lol

[paddymac]

Ive watched it for many years and here is what I think.Its a virus with many variants. It goes from ( MILD )not responding to a call to come in for a feed to ( FATAL )falling off the perch dead. Every loft has had it to a degree. Its like saying you have a classroom of kids and have never had any went down with a virus, this is complete nonsense imo. Some people say they haven't had it because they think it reflects on their own management, well this is nonsense as well as the virus cant be avoided im afraid. The best you can hope for is a very mild, short lasting dose of it.The last 2 years ive had it very mild, in fact 99% of fanciers probably wouldn't notice it because it was only a few retaining a very small bit of feed longer than usual. No other signs but I knew it was the YBS because it happens in my loft at around the same time every year. The Adeno VIRUS isn't the killer, its the secondary infection ( usually e coli or circovirus ) that does the damage.ps. If you get full blown Adenovirus then the birds need FIVE to SIX weeks to fully recover, although they start flying around the loft well after only a week, they are not ready for the stress of the race basket.omho

Good post Derek

[peter pandy]

Having seen YBS in other lofts I can honestly say I have never ever experienced it with my birds in my lofts. Maybe I have been lucky or perhaps my regime is correct.

P.S. I dont believe its a virus, Sorry Derek.

[Roland]

First of, I do use and recommend Garden line in the water, though not all the year round. Mostly only when my pigeons maybe put in a distressing place.... It has a soothing effect. Secondarily I never said Onions for Y/bs sick ness, or any other for that matter, but as a proven method of gathering viruses etc. and removing from the loft as and when / if entering. It was discovered after the Spanish flu epidemic.

Also please, one or two of you grow up and stop trying to boo- hoo and belittle posts because you don't have any sensible cock backs. You only show yourselves up.

Further to say that every one has had y/bs could be liken to saying EVERY wife strays and has affairs... Just not true, though many have done in past and present no doubt.

Kyleakin I'd no more want you to remove any post, good or bad on my account. I'm more than able, and thick skinned enough to handle that lol.

 

P.s Derek, a good post A. you say in your opinion and that is a right etc.

How ever again Not all kids go down...

 

You have most likely seen, experienced, heard that 'Good Pigeons never seem to be ill'! Maybe because of a good constitution and health that they don't go down even though they may be sharing the same loft and drinkers. Maybe mine ... But then I very much doubt 50% let alone all, have such a good health check etc.

Some times one or two of mine 'Go Light' where as 95% don't follow suit.

Further ALL lofts carry their own ailments and are immune to them... whereas others birds bought in aren't and quickly show the effects.

Hence often the fancier thay got them of carry the blame etc. THOUGH they are all perfectly in good health etc. in their loft. Must be or one visiting, seeing theior races results etc. wouldn't have them.

[Tony C]

Theory time! I'm sure we all have some thoughts on this.

 

Here's my two-penneth worth.

 

Its my belief that if the parents of the youngsters have had y/b/s there's more than a good chance their youngsters will go down with it. Whether its transferred to their youngsters through genetics or through the egg whilst sitting I don't know but my guess is through genetics, anyhow they come out of the egg with it somehow embedded in them. As with most things the parents pass on an immunity to their youngsters and this helps them get through the first bit of stress they face which is being weaned over. Once the natural immunity wears off the youngsters are then vulnerable at anytime of going down with it which as most agree is associated with stress.

When you bring in new introductions to your loft there's also the chance your also inheriting y/b/s if these pigeons have had it in their early life or their parents have had it in the past.

 

The end.

[Kyleakin Lofts]

I don't race YB's and I have never had YBS, or have I?

 

When I first started pigeons were coming from everywhere and I had an outbreak of illness, going light. I was given a product, later found to be an antibiotic, to use and the pigeons recovered within days. The ill YB's had heavy canker deposits on their beaks. I never suffered from anything like this again. On rare occasions of bringing in new stock, I had occasional YB's that looked a bit "under the weather", but this never amounted to much and they threw it off by themselves. Nothing like the reported YBS.

This year I have brought some YB's in and again I have suffered illness, this time having to remove some of the ill pigeons. Some others looked "under the weather", but have made a recovery on their own.

 

Does the previous paragraph indicate normal loft upset due to the new pigeons and an upset to the loft ecology or does it indicate very mild attacks of YBS? I have read several fanciers and their opinions in regard to injections, YBS, etc and I really don't know the answer to my own question. What I do know is that it is better to err on the side of safety, so I would conclude that I have suffered mild occasional bouts of YBS within my loft, brought on by the introductions disturbing the ecology of the loft.

 

If I am correct, I am not a candidate for Ian's survey and because of these doubts, I have not sent for one.

 

I read the thread with interest and some mild humour. I believe in a lot of the old methods and enjoy listening to Roly and the likes to enable myself to pick up on them, but I also appreciate that with modern illnesses, sometimes modern methods are required. The old methods are slow to work and are more about prevention and the creation of an ecology that produces high resistance. When that is attacked by some of the modern virulent strains of illness that are circulating nowadays, the only effective method is a modern one.

[Roland]

Kyleakin, Regards so called 'Old remedies' what time does one put on them? Further many still are used today very effectively. Mind I don't for a moment think Lime could be classed as an Old remedy. Mind they did and do still peck out the old lime cement in buildings etc. The Polio jab was one such thought. that it was no longer of use, especially as Polio was a thing of the past ... how wrong and how quickly did it come back into use after disastrous effecting so many!

Spit, especially a smokers for One eye cold, is still very effective and cost nowt. Company's with spout many reasons why and what it is and SALE concoctions... Probably the base of a smokers spit lol.

Bird waning and not seemingly able to get to 100% ... Pull the two end tail feathers out! One each side./ Boo - hoo it all one likes, but it has the desired effect.

Rusty nail in the drinkers may be pushing it a bit lol .... But in essence ?

Often heard, indeed once done it, the swilling the hose in the drinker to aireate it ... waste of time of course. Further if one could add air to the blood system it would quickly kill the bird. Like wise iron ... Only needs 0,05$ tops, so add as much spinach to the drinker as you like... The waste is quickly passed through. And once the cup is brimful it can't hold any more!

But if one stood back and saw the amount of medication they have in the medical box.... If one would only equate why company's advertise, they would gather that profits bear a large part of it. Obviously otherwise they wouldn't exist.

Yogurts, for example and Anti Biotic etc. Live would be dead before it hit the shelves. Dead... wouldn't be of use... May make the bird look great or something. So does a little bleach in the water, etc. etc.

But we read into too much far too often without using our common sense... especially if told, or endorsed by ...! Look at the notice board in the doctors surgery. Anti biotics lol.

Often said nothing new under the sun¬!