Ets Timing & Location Of Pads / Sensors At Loft

[peter2010]

Guys

 

When I started this thread I knew it was a sensitive topic and would be controversial, the intention was to get members thinking and debating the matter with a view to raising awareness of what the SHU rules actually are regards timing arrivals with ETS.

 

We now know that that rule 22 has been deleted ( pads need to be numbered and sealed in position ) and that the rules still in force are rule 2, ETS timing systems MUST be fitted within the loft, rule 9, ETS can only record the arrival time AFTER the pigeon has entered the loft, and the likely meaning / interpretation of this, and rule 8, officials of the race organiser have the right to inspect the trapping system used where in respect of this last rule the SNFC have announced a reminder on there website that random checks could be carried which could result in disqualification, the random checking of the trapping system where ETS is in use is not exclusive to the SNFC but could be carried out by any race organiser be that federation or club with the same outcome, disqualification, should a breach of the SHU rules be found.

 

A lot of members have voiced there personal opinions on what they think the rules should be which they are entitled to do and where this is good and all adds to this debate, however, should a case ever be raised that ends up in front of a race organiser committee then personal views on the rules will have no influence on the decision making process as any judgement or decision made will be based on the SHU rules as they currently stand, that's what rules are for, they are there to protect all members from any malpractice and to ensure fairness, this applies to all rules which govern our sport, not only ETS.

 

As I said above I posted this topic to raise awareness where with approx 4,500 views and 110 replies I have achieved what I wanted to do as every member who has read this thread now has a better understanding of what the current rules are and the possible consequences should anyone be found to be timing birds that don't comply with them.

 

Dont allow yourself to be the person who gets an unannounced visit and falls foul of these rules as any blame in respect of this would be of your own making and lie with you and you only, enjoy your 2016 season where I wish you all the best of luck

About the sealing of the pad to a correct position that's alrite in theory but what would stop a person adding on a second pad to somewhere else it's a can a worms anybody got agood toulet for sale ????

[hotrod]

The sputnik isn't inside the loft Stu so your pads aren't inside the loft. I know im talking pis h here m8 and this is a crazy subject but if the pads have to be inside the loft and not a trap or sputnik attached to the loft then im afraid 99% of ets users are fk d, including yersel lol.

My birds sit in Sputnik while in loft so while it's fixed to front of loft inside the trap is inside the loft ,on a Saturday birds that are not away to race can trigger the ets as trainers , my birds are inside the loft when clocking in on ets , when I know by reading most on here that their birds are still outside when clocking in , why take a chance of being disqualified from winning say a national , for an edge In club races . I think the governing body should do some work on this and do random checks not just the snfc .

[C WRIGHT]

my lofts were made by ecco lofts and fitted for ets to the rule book

as that is what i requested

landing bowl with arches to enter loft as soon as bird enters loft through archs

it has crossed the finishing line and has enter the loft at which time it is clocked over the ets compatment

which is in the loft

it them drops through bob wires to

section same as most one loft set ups

 

the birds once entering loft so to speak through arches isnt trapped until it drops through bobs

which are only in place to prevent other non racers leaving loft on the day

 

and to be honest i couldnt give a monkeys where others put there ets pad as its only another gripe

if flier has his pad on top of hut in the kitchen or bathroom who cares his bird is home and still has to

stand above the pad no matter where it is

 

bark bark bark wrong tree for me

 

i would be more concerned with a pad and base station at a different location lets say a loft at ashorter distance

which any bird can be trained too and fly easy 50 mile less than the rest and win the race

 

so pads at own lofts house garden location wouldnt be my concern guys

 

just a thought

 

the system requires updated to show where the doo was actually timed with base station

not where a pad was positioned

[Delboy]

Very good point Craig

[ALF]

Just in case the petron trap is "dodgy" in some people's eyes?

When it comes to yb racing our pad will be fitted under the board in the picture well inside the trap and they actually run through this quicker as some hesitate at dropping the 12in down on the bottom of the trap

[ALF]

By the way good luck to everyone for 2016 and happy racing...

[greenlands]

By the way good luck to everyone for 2016 and happy racing...

Cheers mate,same to you.

Love this thread.No comment. :emoticon-0127-lipssealed:

[walterboswell59]

Walter, sorry, I try not to get personal with my comments but couldn't help myself with the version of Winston Churchills rules which for me don't apply in the context of this debate, I've already stated why rules are needed and have also said I have some empathy with some of your comments, I'm really not a bad guy, also spare a thought for the man who could have taken the top position after timing legally but didn't due to a bird being timed elsewhere on a system that did not comply with the rules

i was told the same story davie thats why i think the rule should be changed to pads anywhere on the loft then it would not have to be policed with everyone one on the same level

[JohnQuinn]

Ok Davie I'm going to put the cat amongst the pigeons now due to guys like yir self that know all the rules I have two ets systems active at my loft .

 

2 clocks is illegal Billy, for all anyone knows one of your systems could be at a loft in Annan and that's why only One clock is allowed. You'll no doubt be getting a visit now you have made this public. Let me be clear, not for one minute do I think you're up tae anything BUT you are in breach of the rules.

 

Can anyone who has a pad under a Sputnik trap say WHY it's positioned there and NOT over the threshold of the loft.

[Guest johnhunter]

Yeah right in the unlikely event of me winning any kind of pigeon race and in the even more unlikely event of any apparatchik turning up here to challenge the position of my ETS system well good luck to them I will know and everyone else will know that the fancier who gets the result is really second but as I only fly pigeons for fun I really don't care and as I have already said rules are for the guidance of the wise and the obedience of the foolish.

walter as you say you only fly for fun,so I don't know why you even comment on this issue pigeon men up and down the country try like *expletive removed* to win a race but they also want an even playing field

[andy Burgess]

 

 

Can anyone who has a pad under a Sputnik trap say WHY it's positioned there and NOT over the threshold of the loft.

 

our sputniks are located on the sliding door of the loft , thats the only opening to access the section John . i cant honestly see where else they could be located ?

[Walter swanston]

Quite correct Mr.Hunter I don't care enough and will refrain from further comment.

[Guest johnhunter]

our sputniks are located on the sliding door of the loft , thats the only opening to access the section John . i cant honestly see where else they could be located ?

john you should ask them that when you verify the winners

[Guest johnhunter]

sorry andy that comment was meant for john quinn

[JohnQuinn]

john you should ask them that when you verify the winners

 

A checked everybody's when I was on the committee and never once came across pads placed in an advantageous position.

[JohnQuinn]

our sputniks are located on the sliding door of the loft , thats the only opening to access the section John . i cant honestly see where else they could be located ?

 

Could have it hinged on the inside of the door Andy only putting it up when birds are due. Would need to fashion it so you can put it up or drop it from the outside but it's possible.

[ALF]

Just off the phone to Linda at the SHU office for clarification on the rule re positioning your pad under the base of your sputnik she said it is fine and has been put to the council if you put a porch on your house it is part of the house...

[andy Burgess]

Could have it hinged on the inside of the door Andy only putting it up when birds are due. Would need to fashion it so you can put it up or drop it from the outside but it's possible.

 

 

do you know when i started racing in 2011 i asked the same question on site here . it was a mish mash of answers and the majority quoted me to place them beneath the sputnik , thats where the majority have theres. i wasnt in a position to argue with them , and surely they cant all be wrong ??

[Delboy]

2 clocks is illegal Billy, for all anyone knows one of your systems could be at a loft in Annan and that's why only One clock is allowed. You'll no doubt be getting a visit now you have made this public. Let me be clear, not for one minute do I think you're up tae anything BUT you are in breach of the rules.

 

Can anyone who has a pad under a Sputnik trap say WHY it's positioned there and NOT over the threshold of the loft.

 

2 clocks are not illegal, you must nominate the one you are using and the 2nd clock is used only in case of failure from first clock, as we do in the nationals.

Edited April 6, 2016 by Delboy

[billt]

2 clocks is illegal Billy, for all anyone knows one of your systems could be at a loft in Annan and that's why only One clock is allowed. You'll no doubt be getting a visit now you have made this public. Let me be clear, not for one minute do I think you're up tae anything BUT you are in breach of the rules.

 

Can anyone who has a pad under a Sputnik trap say WHY it's positioned there and NOT over the threshold of the loft.

 

My reply to that John would be that the sputnik trap is part of the loft.

[Guest johnhunter]

A checked everybody's when I was on the committee and never once came across pads placed in an advantageous position.

fair doo john

[JohnQuinn]

2 clocks are not illegal, you must nominate the one you are using and the 2nd clock is used only in case of failure from first clock, as we do in the nationals.

 

Billy only said he has two Active clocks Derek which to me means he raced to two Lofts and has a clock in both. A spare clock is something entirely different.

 

Ma last post on this thread, hope no one gets disqualified over this.

[clockman]

A checked everybody's when I was on the committee and never once came across pads placed in an advantageous position.

 

Same here.

[geordie1234]

Same here.

I'm not lucky enough to have a pigeon verified but how long after timing in is the verification done? IE is there time to move the pad to a LEGAL postion?

[dal2]

I'm not lucky enough to have a pigeon verified but how long after timing in is the verification done? IE is there time to move the pad to a LEGAL postion?

Of course. .....two or three days