Clashing

[grdkeith]

Fact or myth?

[robbiedoo.]

Fact or myth?

 

 

Myth

[Kyleakin Lofts]

Fact

 

Now let's have the debate, if possible backed with facts, rather than just opinions.

[grdkeith]

Could be an interesting debate,give us your facts please but no hearsay

[We man]

Would say Fact,with feds at the same racepoint or close to it and being libbed 15 mins apart that's the main reason for clashing as I see it but just my opinion.

[paddymac]

Fact, birds travelling north have been known to clash with other feds travelling south here in Ireland.

[Novice]

Clashing has always been a factor in pigeon racing especially with pigeons flying in opposite directions down an east coast corridor.

It is even more relevant now as convoys of youngsters can be turned by predators only to meet with others released 15 minutes behind them. This interval is simply not enough especially when we consider that any convoy soon splits into smaller groups depending on the birds fitness.

 

Evidence for and against will be hard to produce but for the first time ever I flew in 2 federations this year. Both had separate liberations from Otterburn but I found that I had birds from separate liberations arrive together.

[grdkeith]

Clashing has always been a factor in pigeon racing especially with pigeons flying in opposite directions down an east coast corridor.

It is even more relevant now as convoys of youngsters can be turned by predators only to meet with others released 15 minutes behind them. This interval is simply not enough especially when we consider that any convoy soon splits into smaller groups depending on the birds fitness.

 

Evidence for and against will be hard to produce but for the first time ever I flew in 2 federations this year. Both had separate liberations from Otterburn but I found that I had birds from separate liberations arrive together.

 

 

Could argue that pigeons flying in the same direction is not really clashing,would like to know if there is proof that pigeons flying in opposite directions and on their way home have changed direction.

I would very much doubt that any decent old bird would allow it to happen

 

Fact, birds travelling north have been known to clash with other feds travelling south here in Ireland.

 

How can it be proven ?

[PIGEON_MAN]

Fact or myth?

Definately fact and to be honest I dont think there is anyway to stop it,and before anyone shouts me down just stop and think about it.

[Novice]

Either my last post on this thread has disappeared or I pressed the wrong button which I doubt if I did . Obviously it didn't suit someone- oh well that's life.

[philg50]

Fact

 

Now let's have the debate, if possible backed with facts, rather than just opinions.

Where were you guys racing from on the 16th May cheers.

[paddymac]

Could argue that pigeons flying in the same direction is not really clashing,would like to know if there is proof that pigeons flying in opposite directions and on their way home have changed direction.

I would very much doubt that any decent old bird would allow it to happen

 

 

 

How can it be proven ?

It has been witnessed by fanciers who were in the right place at the right time.

[andy Burgess]

Either my last post on this thread has disappeared or I pressed the wrong button which I doubt if I did . Obviously it didn't suit someone- oh well that's life.

 

 

do you mean post 7 above ??

[Roland]

Myth, lame crutch for want of an excuse.

Novice, no disrespect, but pigeons fly at different heights regards winds, or no winds... just watch the birds. No such thing as clashing I believe, and Observance bears this out surely. Plus when birds are honed in a 'Racing they don't see anything till a split second before hand.

Now seem a release that gets caught via flock racing, the quickly dis band. Are we to say that things are different when out of sight I think not, especially when in flight ....... Now maybe GOING the same way if caught up by a just released lot and stragglers are caught up. JMO

[dal2]

Myth, lame crutch for want of an excuse.

Novice, no disrespect, but pigeons fly at different heights regards winds, or no winds... just watch the birds. No such thing as clashing I believe, and Observance bears this out surely. Plus when birds are honed in a 'Racing they don't see anything till a split second before hand.

Now seem a release that gets caught via flock racing, the quickly dis band. Are we to say that things are different when out of sight I think not, especially when in flight ....... Now maybe GOING the same way if caught up by a just released lot and stragglers are caught up. JMO

Pigeons fly at diffo heights regardless of wind??? Nonsense, no many birds above hedge height in a decent headwind.

We had a 50 mile race with the ybs this year where the birds did not clear as expected and we're collected by a neighbourin organisations birds that were libbed later. We had a poor race with birds being reported in the neighbouring fed area?? Think that was clashing?

[Novice]

do you mean post 7 above ??

No Andy thanks if that post had been missing, having typed all that the steam would have been coming out my ears.

It was a shorter post after that . I must have had a senior moment.

[grdkeith]

Pigeons fly at diffo heights regardless of wind??? Nonsense, no many birds above hedge height in a decent headwind.

We had a 50 mile race with the ybs this year where the birds did not clear as expected and we're collected by a neighbourin organisations birds that were libbed later. We had a poor race with birds being reported in the neighbouring fed area?? Think that was clashing?

 

Different heights in different directions is probably what was meant,the type of clashing you describe would almost be impossible to avoid.do you believe birds will change direction if on their way home?

[dal2]

Different heights in different directions is probably what was meant,the type of clashing you describe would almost be impossible to avoid.do you believe birds will change direction if on their way home?

Yip. Witness it most years as I live on the flightpath if you like. Have often seen birds going up and turning to head the way they came.

[DJWa]

Different heights in different directions is probably what was meant,the type of clashing you describe would almost be impossible to avoid.do you believe birds will change direction if on their way home?

 

seen it with trainers George

a team heading north and stopped dead in their tracks by birds loft flying

some taking hours to clear

 

look at ayr north road birds last year

think it was Montrose they libbed right into the line of your feds birds which

would of been near over the top of them when they libbed

ask andy kyle their returns were not good

[Kyleakin Lofts]

We had a couple of occasions this year. Our pigeons were liberated from Arbroath. The Arbroath contact was unavailable, so the controller advised a liberation having received good reports from the conveyer. We later found out that the local contact was unavailable because his race birds were just arriving. From what I am able to gather, steam was rising from some fanciers. I have no hard evidence of this, but have verbal evidence. Arbroath pigeons went into the batch, some leaving with it, I expect on their return some of our pigeons went with them. Returns were very slow for both organisations. This would indicate a clash to me. Similarly, the following week at Montrose, our lib was around the time that the NE pigeons could have been in the area. Again our returns were very slow. No hard evidence or verbal evidence on this one, but it was a possible reason that a clash may have happened. NE pigeons were reported in our area and our pigeons in the NE and this seems to bear it out.

As Davy says, more care must be taken , not only with liberations in the area, but with liberations where the flock could be in the area and certainly where pigeons would be arriving at the same time.

As to flocks breaking up, for the shorter races, the majority of the pigeons are properly prepared and they are liberation and trapping races. The quickest away from the lib site and the quickest to trap will win the race with not a lot splitting the velocities.

[dal2]

We had a couple of occasions this year. Our pigeons were liberated from Arbroath. The Arbroath contact was unavailable, so the controller advised a liberation having received good reports from the conveyer. We later found out that the local contact was unavailable because his race birds were just arriving. From what I am able to gather, steam was rising from some fanciers. I have no hard evidence of this, but have verbal evidence. Arbroath pigeons went into the batch, some leaving with it, I expect on their return some of our pigeons went with them. Returns were very slow for both organisations. This would indicate a clash to me. Similarly, the following week at Montrose, our lib was around the time that the NE pigeons could have been in the area. Again our returns were very slow. No hard evidence or verbal evidence on this one, but it was a possible reason that a clash may have happened. NE pigeons were reported in our area and our pigeons in the NE and this seems to bear it out.

As Davy says, more care must be taken , not only with liberations in the area, but with liberations where the flock could be in the area and certainly where pigeons would be arriving at the same time.

As to flocks breaking up, for the shorter races, the majority of the pigeons are properly prepared and they are liberation and trapping races. The quickest away from the lib site and the quickest to trap will win the race with not a lot splitting the velocities.

Organisations should be racing on the traditional routes.....not dogleging around....crossing east to west thru north to south.

[hotrod]

What Andy is saying is ,IMHO , the race controller not doing his job right ? Surely he must contact Feds his birds would be crossing over ,especially at the lib point , never once have I spoke to any Ayrshire north road race controller in the years since doing the job for Glasgow ,and they cross our path just about every week . FACT

[paddymac]

What Andy is saying is ,IMHO , the race controller not doing his job right ? Surely he must contact Feds his birds would be crossing over ,especially at the lib point , never once have I spoke to any Ayrshire north road race controller in the years since doing the job for Glasgow ,and they cross our path just about every week . FACT

Does it not work both ways ??

[We man]

Organisations should be racing on the traditional routes.....not dogleging around....crossing east to west thru north to south.

Well said I agree with you 100%.

[grdkeith]

seen it with trainers George

a team heading north and stopped dead in their tracks by birds loft flying

some taking hours to clear

 

look at ayr north road birds last year

think it was Montrose they libbed right into the line of your feds birds which

would of been near over the top of them when they libbed

ask andy kyle their returns were not good

 

 

Still only supposition,why would their birds be affected and not ours?

 

What Andy is saying is ,IMHO , the race controller not doing his job right ? Surely he must contact Feds his birds would be crossing over ,especially at the lib point , never once have I spoke to any Ayrshire north road race controller in the years since doing the job for Glasgow ,and they cross our path just about every week . FACT

 

 

Same here