Young Bird Racing

[tyson]

I agree with yeboah untill we all pull together and do something about our problem I dont see much future in our sport so instead of everyone backstabbing each other lets get together and fix this problem before it is to late

[tommy bhoys]

I agree with yeboah untill we all pull together and do something about our problem I dont see much future in our sport so instead of everyone backstabbing each other lets get together and fix this problem before it is to late

there are bigger problems than that in my eyes

[tyson]

and what are they please tell ???

[tommy bhoys]

and what are they please tell ???

too many people holding positions in feds for there own gains ie glasgow midlands lanarkshire south lanarkshire should be going together the weather is another factor to many fed going tae same race point and not enough time between libs the hawks come after that

[DJL]

To answer the original question. I don't think we should mollycoddle young birds. My federation has what I think is a good programme starting at 55 miles with seven races to Wakefield 214 miles the week before the Snfc race which is 330 miles. If members don't want to go the full distance then they can stop whenever they want. I am lucky to be in a strong competitive club with several members who race the full programme and the national. The season is short enough as it is without cutting out races or going no further than 100 miles. If your young birds are healthy and get the breaks with the weather they will do 200 - 300 miles plus no problem.

[aye ready]

To answer the original question. I don't think we should mollycoddle young birds. My federation has what I think is a good programme starting at 55 miles with seven races to Wakefield 214 miles the week before the Snfc race which is 330 miles. If members don't want to go the full distance then they can stop whenever they want. I am lucky to be in a strong competitive club with several members who race the full programme and the national. The season is short enough as it is without cutting out races or going no further than 100 miles. If your young birds are healthy and get the breaks with the weather they will do 200 - 300 miles plus no problem.

Interesting can you tell me what your entry's are from the 1st race to the last and ring allocation to the fed just out of interest and ps how the fuc@k can we not Molly coddle young birds that are stricken down with young bird sickness year in year out or are you just another f@ck you jack I'm alright

[Froog]

its everyones own, to do what they want? how can you plan for next year, when you don't know what tomorrow will bring? plan for today.....tomorrow might never happen.

[grdkeith]

North of SCotland fed ,Arniston 2 6th race ,800 odd doos barely enough to cover costs So what you saying ,test them ,test them ,test them ,at whos cost mine ,what should be happening is the fowk that want to race full prog ie test them let them pay ,the whole problem is the fowk in charge have nae cahoonies

 

Let's look at it another way Phil,how many races have you managed this year and how much did you spend at each? Give me as good a guess as you can,add on your membership fee and I will do projection based on all members having made the same monetary contribution.

Obviously any funds raised by those in charge would have to be subtracted and if we want to get the real picture then all the unpaid work by those with nae cahoonies would need to be factored in.

Looking forward to your reply

 

George

[Dooheed 5]

North of SCotland fed ,Arniston 2 6th race ,800 odd doos barely enough to cover costs So what you saying ,test them ,test them ,test them ,at whos cost mine ,what should be happening is the fowk that want to race full prog ie test them let them pay ,the whole problem is the fowk in charge have nae cahoonies

Honestly Phylis ye should stick to commenting on the weather cos ye havni got a Bars Iron Brew mate !!

[DJL]

Interesting can you tell me what your entry's are from the 1st race to the last and ring allocation to the fed just out of interest and ps how the fuc@k can we not Molly coddle young birds that are stricken down with young bird sickness year in year out or are you just another f@ck you jack I'm alright

 

Maybe mollycoddle was the wrong word. I was trying to give my opinion on tysons post. He was saying we should race young birds to 120 miles and scrap the young bird nationals. If fanciers have the birds and want to race further then why deprive them of that opportunity. From what I can see there are loads of young birds lost from less than 100 miles. It is up to each fancier how he/she races his birds.

[tyson]

I only started this post to try to find out why there are so many youngbirds being lost but you get the people coming on who seem not to care about the losses thats why some are breeding 100s of birds each year to be left with some when I first started in pigeons some 40yrs ago you could bred 20 youngbirds fly the programme to stafford and slill be left with a dozen birds is this the main problem large teams of inferior pigeons not good enough resulting in high losses honest opinions please

[JohnQuinn]

I only started this post to try to find out why there are so many youngbirds being lost but you get the people coming on who seem not to care about the losses thats why some are breeding 100s of birds each year to be left with some when I first started in pigeons some 40yrs ago you could bred 20 youngbirds fly the programme to stafford and slill be left with a dozen birds is this the main problem large teams of inferior pigeons not good enough resulting in high losses honest opinions please

 

Am a believer in percentages and there are IMO about the same percentage of good and not so in any team of Doos. 30-300 count the losses each fancier has and the percentage would be very very similar.

So in a way you are correct in the assumption that Big team flyers will have a lot more rubbish in numbers, but not percentage wise !! to the wee guy.

[Roland]

Tyson says 'I only started this post to try to find out why there are so many young birds being lost but you get the people coming on who seem not to care about the losses that's why some are breeding 100s of birds each year to be left with some when I first started in pigeons some 40yrs ago you could bred 20 young birds fly the programme to Stafford and still be left with a dozen birds is this the main problem large teams of inferior pigeons not good enough resulting in high losses honest opinions please'.

 

Good and real post mate.

[geordie1234]

Bop is the problem

 

Hardly get a straight race because of them

[Delboy]

BOP is the biggest problem in the pigeon sport, whats worse than that is grown f kin men putting up with it.

[moscow master]

BOP is the biggest problem in the pigeon sport, whats worse than that is grown f kin men putting up with it.

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[Novice]

ðŸ‘ðŸ‘

I heard from a falconer friend who also happens to be a pigeon fancier that a peregrine has been found dead under suspicious circumstances at a quarry in Kilbarchan.

[Delboy]

I heard from a falconer friend who also happens to be a pigeon fancier that a peregrine has been found dead under suspicious circumstances at a quarry in Kilbarchan.

 

Oh no, I wasn't talking about harming any birds .

[Novice]

Oh no, I wasn't talking about harming any birds .

I just thought that I would mention it as an aside. My friend is well informed so I assume the story is factual.

[dunc50]

BOP is the biggest problem in the pigeon sport, whats worse than that is grown f kin men putting up with it.

[Delboy]

I just thought that I would mention it as an aside. My friend is well informed so I assume the story is factual.

[C WRIGHT]

I heard from a falconer friend who also happens to be a pigeon fancier that a peregrine has been found dead under suspicious circumstances at a quarry in Kilbarchan.

 

 

PIGEONS FOUND DEAD EVERY DAY NOT TO MENTION THE AMOUNT MAIMED AND LEFT TO SUFFER AND DIE IN FIELDS WOODS NO SUSPICION HERE

ITS THE BOP INFLICTING PAIN SUFFERING THESE BIRDS DONT ATTACK FOR SURVIVAL AND THEY CERTAINLY DONT NEED PROTECTION TO SURVIVE

[Froog]

BOP is the biggest problem in the pigeon sport, whats worse than that is grown f kin men putting up with it.

What exactly are us grown men supposed to do about it?

[Potter29]

I think that to do so would be petty,and deprive those that wish to send their young birds to races farther than you wish to send yours,if you are concerned as too your personal losses then don`t send your birds,it must be left up to individual fanciers to decide whether to send their birds or not......JBC/..

 

I agrea, i thought that was the standard practice anyway ? If yours arent upto it simple dont send !!

[john cumming]

I agree with what John says in the percentage game, you cant have every bird in the loft a winner?? nice thought though, some birds just don't have what it takes and soon disappear, along with the various obstacles the birds encounter while racing & training, and of course the BOP take their share and quite a big share, that's a major problem and unless its not dealt with will only get worse, there has got to be a solution out there , a cull would be the obvious choice of every pigeon fancier in the UK but the RSPB & the people/groups who are involved with raptors will have different opinions , ive been checking my last 3 years losses and they are similar slightly better this year but in many areas of the UK its getting steadily worse,

as for how far young birds should be raced?? IMO is personal preference and for me ive no worries with 66 miles through to 251 miles our shortest to longest young bird distances, we have just flown 126 miles the last 2 weeks and birds came well and steadily, im happy with that so will probably stop them, for me it is the education // training that sets them up to be a better bird the following year

 

happy racing folks whats left of it for 2016

 

John