JohnQuinn Posted July 19, 2016 Report Posted July 19, 2016 https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=219746718422691&id=100011620940973 I think the link is ok.
geordie1234 Posted July 19, 2016 Report Posted July 19, 2016 (edited) I agree John if it's in them it's in them 100% But if you want to win yb racing you got to train them imo I do know you ain't interested in yb racing which is fair enough I'm no really bothered this year with the ybs I'm too busy with the wee man and regret darkening them : :emoticon-0136-giggle:emoticon-0136-giggle: ATB John you had a good season Ps those 2 are pictures Edited July 19, 2016 by geordie1234
grdkeith Posted July 19, 2016 Report Posted July 19, 2016 I would argue that if you are happy for your birds to follow trained ones home then training ain't needed
greenlands Posted July 19, 2016 Report Posted July 19, 2016 Sorry, this page isn't available The link you followed may be broken, or the page may have been removed. I'm lucky in a way,my mate has a small trailer/transporter and the birds are away at the mo.lib 11:30.learing the birds to break and find their own way home after the flock starts breaking further down on the line of flight.Sending them on their IMO learns them to follow the leader.Mine do get several tosses before going on the trailer.
JohnQuinn Posted July 19, 2016 Author Report Posted July 19, 2016 I would argue that if you are happy for your birds to follow trained ones home then training ain't needed In Yb racing I would agree they aren't going to be winning 1st prizes but from then on they'll win against anything if motivated and fit. More racing less training, feed them correctly and pick your target race.This is not a method for winning averages over the 1st half of the season but get them right and you won't be long making up the lost time in the 2nd half of the year.
grdkeith Posted July 19, 2016 Report Posted July 19, 2016 In Yb racing I would agree they aren't going to be winning 1st prizes but from then on they'll win against anything if motivated and fit. More racing less training, feed them correctly and pick your target race.This is not a method for winning averages over the 1st half of the season but get them right and you won't be long making up the lost time in the 2nd half of the year. In our fed north of Scotland it is over 100 miles wide and we are in the middle,no training would result in horrific losses but each to their own circumstances
dal2 Posted July 19, 2016 Report Posted July 19, 2016 How many pigeons that you thought 'HAD IT IN THEM' have you lost John.......me?....loads. Have even lost good birds, got then back, won with them and lost them again!!! I think a bit of knowledge in their early years must do them good. A team full of untrained or unraced yearlings gan doon like snaw off a dyke in my experience. Am gan tae keep training them mate
DJWa Posted July 19, 2016 Report Posted July 19, 2016 untrained pigeons are one of the main causes of losses because they hold back other trained birds who don't clear the racepoint and attract percy people who don't train y/bs and send to a race are a disgrace as they are destroying everyone elses hard work :emoticon-0127-lipssealed:
geordie1234 Posted July 19, 2016 Report Posted July 19, 2016 (edited) untrained pigeons are one of the main causes of losses because they hold back other trained birds who don't clear the racepoint and attract percy people who don't train y/bs and send to a race are a disgrace as they are destroying everyone elses hard work :emoticon-0127-lipssealed: Edited July 19, 2016 by geordie1234
JohnQuinn Posted July 19, 2016 Author Report Posted July 19, 2016 untrained pigeons are one of the main causes of losses because they hold back other trained birds who don't clear the racepoint and attract percy people who don't train y/bs and send to a race are a disgrace as they are destroying everyone elses hard work :emoticon-0127-lipssealed: The best pigeon men condition their birds to break for home regardless of others circling the racepoint. Doubt you're no in that category. If ye insist on training train them right
grdkeith Posted July 19, 2016 Report Posted July 19, 2016 The best pigeon men condition their birds to break for home regardless of others circling the racepoint. Doubt you're no in that category. If ye insist on training train them right Would be interested in how they can train ybs to break without training
DJWa Posted July 19, 2016 Report Posted July 19, 2016 with an attitude like that ( f--k you jack im alright )showing total disregard for your fellow fanciers hard workno wonder the doo games going down the pan WELL TRAINED Y/BS STILL GET HELD AT THE RACEPOINT BACAUSE OF UNTRAINED ONES ask the convoyers
kingziemckay Posted July 19, 2016 Report Posted July 19, 2016 The best pigeon men condition their birds to break for home regardless of others circling the racepoint. Doubt you're no in that category. If ye insist on training train them right how do the best pigeon men manage to do this??maybe you could inlighten me? atb
JohnQuinn Posted July 19, 2016 Author Report Posted July 19, 2016 how do the best pigeon men manage to do this??maybe you could inlighten me? atb Repetition !!!
JohnQuinn Posted July 19, 2016 Author Report Posted July 19, 2016 Would be interested in how they can train ybs to break without training You've came onto the thread Headbanging because YOUR 'trained' Ybs are being kept back by my Untrained Ybs. If ye train yours right mine or anyone else's won't hold them back.
blue pied Posted July 19, 2016 Report Posted July 19, 2016 I went to a club presentation where mr Jamison was on the panel along with mr wilkinson , both these boys don't train and look at there performances?
JOHNSEE Posted July 19, 2016 Report Posted July 19, 2016 with an attitude like that ( f--k you jack im alright )showing total disregard for your fellow fanciers hard workno wonder the doo games going down the pan WELL TRAINED Y/BS STILL GET HELD AT THE RACEPOINT BACAUSE OF UNTRAINED ONES ask the convoyers How would the convoyers know which birds are trained and those that have not been trained by looking at them in the air? I remember Eddie Newcome saying he did not train y/birds.
grdkeith Posted July 19, 2016 Report Posted July 19, 2016 You've came onto the thread Headbanging because YOUR 'trained' Ybs are being kept back by my Untrained Ybs. If ye train yours right mine or anyone else's won't hold them back. Why the insults,I asked a civil question on an interesting thread?
DJWa Posted July 19, 2016 Report Posted July 19, 2016 How would the convoyers know which birds are trained and those that have not been trained by looking at them in the air? I remember Eddie Newcome saying he did not train y/birds. john just said properly trained y/bs leave the others at the racepointwith the amount still circling the convoyor can tell you how many are untrained or not properly trained according to that way of thinking
Dave barrie Posted July 19, 2016 Report Posted July 19, 2016 most untrained have to be chased oot the crate and thats the ones that keep turning and pull the batch for yet another circle, fact is ive seen it a million times but usuall by the third race you are getting good libs.
big blue bar Posted July 19, 2016 Report Posted July 19, 2016 The best pigeon men condition their birds to break for home regardless of others circling the racepoint. Doubt you're no in that category. If ye insist on training train them right I always hear about line of flight thrown in for training correctly ,Well let me tell you where we are on the east coast at Gourdon (look it up on google map ) our line of flight is all across water from Berick .How the *uck am I going to get my birds to come across a gulf off water as big as the channel , dina get me wrong we do get good results but our birds are at a BIG disadvantage ( example Roye - Forfar 534mls ,Gourdon 534 mls ) I know good birds win anywhere and we have topped the fed before ,only with y/birds never with old birds ,so somebody explain to me how to train to win where we are
Tony C Posted July 19, 2016 Report Posted July 19, 2016 If everyone took the stance of sending untrained youngsters racing what would the outcome be? Surely Its not the answer!
dkj Posted July 19, 2016 Report Posted July 19, 2016 I went to a club presentation where mr Jamison was on the panel along with mr wilkinson , both these boys don't train and look at there performances? Training not the answer. Getting them right around the loft and they rake the sky for hours, training them makes them followers when the batches burst up they are struggling on their own, but every body to their own, do what works for you,
Delboy Posted July 19, 2016 Report Posted July 19, 2016 I think if someone hasn't trained their ybs then they shouldn't be allowed to race. This applies only to ybs as obs know the script. OMHO
dkj Posted July 19, 2016 Report Posted July 19, 2016 I think if someone hasn't trained their ybs then they shouldn't be allowed to race. This applies only to ybs as obs know the script. OMHO Lol
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