Paramoxo Vaccine , Why ?

[eastcoaster]

This is my story this is my song lol .

After the first inland nat my birds started to go wrong maybe before that ! I had a bird come home late from fed race the next day , almost straight away he started drinking lots water then noticed his nest box covered in water so out the loft he went into a basket and treated for coxy after 5days no change basket was soaked so cankered him then gave parastop for a week , while he was locked in basket another 2 went down with same so put them in spare loft and gave coxy treatment again it did not do anything so sent test away to belgica who told me to treat for coxy but also jag again for para which had been done in March and also jag everything so I did against my own belief that it was not para , in mean time 1st bird completely recovered ,was given 4/1 from belgica but made no diff so in end I destroyed 12 yearlings that got it and that was the funny thing not a older bird got it ? .

A week after jagging my ybs they started to get wet droppings and not looking great ,they had been flying great at home , so sent test away told again to jag birds for para (they had only been done a few weeks earlier) also treated for coxy no good then put them on 4/1no diff contacted belgica and done test with other vet and told to jag again ? Now my patience was thin here and told them that why am I jagging them 3 times if vaccine is ment to work first time ? They are now getting tested again in a more complex manner .

I don't want the kill them brigade as that is easy way and answers nowt but have disposed of any that have struggled .

The reason for this long winded yarn is WHY do we vaccinate if it does not protect them at all !

Also I am not alone with this problem which I know for sure and they think kill a few and all is ok carry on regardless and we wonder why we are losing birds so easy .

[ALF]

Well done for being so honest Colin i hope you get it sorted pal

[eastcoaster]

Well done for being so honest Colin i hope you get it sorted pal

Never ever had anything like it ,old birds fine now but season over .

[eastcoaster]

Never ever had anything like it ,old birds fine now but season over .

Can I point out birds did not and have not got paramoxo my point is why jag if they recommend jagging every time they have wet droppings , sorry for confusion .

[dunc50]

belgicas famous line is you have a slight touch of coxi and canker, feckin money grabbers i questioned a sample after 2 youngsters died 3 days after a test, they sade that they would have had to culture the sample and it would take time to do that, so put the rest of our youngsters on 4-1 and to vaccinate and re vaccinate 7 days later, i never done the 2nd vax and the doos are fine,

[eastcoaster]

belgicas famous line is you have a slight touch of coxi and canker, feckin money grabbers i questioned a sample after 2 youngsters died 3 days after a test, they sade that they would have had to culture the sample and it would take time to do that, so put the rest of our youngsters on 4-1 and to vaccinate and re vaccinate 7 days later, i never done the 2nd vax and the doos are fine,

Snap , bandits but also told same by other vet !

[REDCHEQHEN]

Which PMV vaccine did you use?

Was it Belgica? The one made in Roumania that is not authorised for use in UK?

[eastcoaster]

Which PMV vaccine did you use?

Was it Belgica? The one made in Roumania that is not authorised for use in UK?

No , colombovac , every time .

[johnwatters]

When testing my own birds I use Kevin winter always been fair with me and not out to make a fast buck

[William Reid]

expletive remove was trying to sit on my hands . Watch your pigeons they will always show you signs of what help they require . Don't know why pigeon fanciers think there's a stigma about treating / helping the pigeons . Do you think race horses and greyhounds only get fresh water and feed

[blue pied]

expletive remove was trying to sit on my hands . Watch your pigeons they will always show you signs of what help they require . Don't know why pigeon fanciers think there's a stigma about treating / helping the pigeons . Do you think race horses and greyhounds only get fresh water and feed

Would u feed your pigeon a pie before your raced it to stop it winning 😂?

[Froog]

This is my story this is my song lol .

After the first inland nat my birds started to go wrong maybe before that ! I had a bird come home late from fed race the next day , almost straight away he started drinking lots water then noticed his nest box covered in water so out the loft he went into a basket and treated for coxy after 5days no change basket was soaked so cankered him then gave parastop for a week , while he was locked in basket another 2 went down with same so put them in spare loft and gave coxy treatment again it did not do anything so sent test away to belgica who told me to treat for coxy but also jag again for para which had been done in March and also jag everything so I did against my own belief that it was not para , in mean time 1st bird completely recovered ,was given 4/1 from belgica but made no diff so in end I destroyed 12 yearlings that got it and that was the funny thing not a older bird got it ? .

A week after jagging my ybs they started to get wet droppings and not looking great ,they had been flying great at home , so sent test away told again to jag birds for para (they had only been done a few weeks earlier) also treated for coxy no good then put them on 4/1no diff contacted belgica and done test with other vet and told to jag again ? Now my patience was thin here and told them that why am I jagging them 3 times if vaccine is ment to work first time ? They are now getting tested again in a more complex manner .

I don't want the kill them brigade as that is easy way and answers nowt but have disposed of any that have struggled .

The reason for this long winded yarn is WHY do we vaccinate if it does not protect them at all !

Also I am not alone with this problem which I know for sure and they think kill a few and all is ok carry on regardless and we wonder why we are losing birds so easy .

The company money brigade, someone somewhere has got very rich, just as they do through human viruses.

[William Reid]

Would u feed your pigeon a pie before your raced it to stop it winning 😂?

That's old school. Travel sickness tablets are a better option if you're comparing greyhound to pigeon

[buster151]

No , colombovac , every time .

Seen either on here or on another site columbovac had been withdrawn by DEFRA as they not happy with it, that is supposed to be the reason why no stocks anywhere, how true this is I dont know but I will say I have used it this year first time in 2/3 years and had nothing but problems since

[Wiley]

Personally i would never use belgica for testing my birds

[Novice]

From my interpretation of the above your pigeons did not have Para but you were advised over the phone to vaccinate on 3 sepearte occasions.

I think Belgica were trying to cover all contingencies and make a few pounds at the same time.

I heard a similar story from a fancier 2 years ago and, like you his birds recovered but he never really knew the true cause of his problem.

I think an accurate diagnosis can only ever be given by Post Mortem examination and that is the best route especially with valuable stock.

 

We should all have a contingency plan for events like this because it can happen so easily because of our method of transportation.

 

After thinking about this I realised that I had seen it written that vaccination against PMV protects against PMV but it also gives the immune system a "kick start" . That may be behind Belgica's logic and they may be prepared to explain that to you if you ask them.

Edited July 17, 2016 by Novice

[hotrod]

Had similar thing in loft a few years back but not just yearlings older birds too after trying everything on market ,even the dreaded enrofoxacin (baytril) , I ended up having to put down some very good pigeons including the dam of my snrpc national winner ,a blue cock that had 3 diplomas with the snfc including 1st section , I was basically starting again with only 6 race birds left and that years youngsters , the funny thing was the old birds had problems in one section the youngsters in next one were perfectly healthy , I eventually tried Walter boswells tonic , the loft settled down and have used this ever since at least once per week , I've put other fanciers on it too every one of them are reporting healthy lofts , so thank you Walter . £10 /bag and will do for years and years . Ps this is not an advert for Walter just pure fact . Hope you sort it out Colin all the best Stuart .

[yeboah]

Very good honest post Colin

About three years ago had a pigeon enter the loft bringing with it paramyxovirus

This immediately spread to late bred youngsters that were not vaccinated

Having experienced that every single bird is vaccinated in November after moult

I saved a young cock that I had bred of a pair I called the golden pair and immediately thought he would be the finest stock cock I had bred ,jagged him six times

Bred from him the following year with no problems in fact he was the sire of the hen I clocked from Reims

He was vaccinated with all others following November then I made a huge mistake by splitting him away with the other cocks within a week through stress of being separated his head was upside down ,quarantined him and jagged again using colombovac the two weeks later repeated as advised still no improvement put him with his hen to no avail and sadly had to dispose of him ,all others 100%

Now vaccinated darkness youngsters in March with colombovac and they took ybs

After they came off darkness 14 th June let all natural youngsters run with them

All youngsters are now racing the sky's

Jagged natural youngsters with nobilis and they have been spot on

Food for thought ?

[Guest TAMMY_1]

Very good honest post Colin

About three years ago had a pigeon enter the loft bringing with it paramyxovirus

This immediately spread to late bred youngsters that were not vaccinated

Having experienced that every single bird is vaccinated in November after moult

I saved a young cock that I had bred of a pair I called the golden pair and immediately thought he would be the finest stock cock I had bred ,jagged him six times

Bred from him the following year with no problems in fact he was the sire of the hen I clocked from Reims

He was vaccinated with all others following November then I made a huge mistake by splitting him away with the other cocks within a week through stress of being separated his head was upside down ,quarantined him and jagged again using colombovac the two weeks later repeated as advised still no improvement put him with his hen to no avail and sadly had to dispose of him ,all others 100%

Now vaccinated darkness youngsters in March with colombovac and they took ybs

After they came off darkness 14 th June let all natural youngsters run with them

All youngsters are now racing the sky's

Jagged natural youngsters with nobilis and they have been spot on

Food for thought ?

 

Use that all the time and never had any problems

[eastcoaster]

From my interpretation of the above your pigeons did not have Para but you were advised over the phone to vaccinate on 3 sepearte occasions.

I think Belgica were trying to cover all contingencies and make a few pounds at the same time.

I heard a similar story from a fancier 2 years ago and, like you his birds recovered but he never really knew the true cause of his problem.

I think an accurate diagnosis can only ever be given by Post Mortem examination and that is the best route especially with valuable stock.

 

We should all have a contingency plan for events like this because it can happen so easily because of our method of transportation.

 

After thinking about this I realised that I had seen it written that vaccination against PMV protects against PMV but it also gives the immune system a "kick start" . That may be behind Belgica's logic and they may be prepared to explain that to you if you ask them.

Yes belgica did tel me it would give them a boost but they and another also said they thought I had para ! .

I am not really having a dig at belgica but the vaccine it does not do what it says on the tin.

[Roland]

Incest breeding weakens the body and immune system.... and Constitution. Hence deteriating in a downward spiral. Nature shows us time and time again ... but then ...

[Guest bigda]

Incest breeding weakens the body and immune system.... and Constitution. Hence deteriating in a downward spiral. Nature shows us time and time again ... but then ...

yes but they could be put to better use snip the ring if any take young bird sickness don't nap them let them go on route of flight every little helps they might as well get there own back on them

[Delboy]

No , colombovac , every time .

 

Colombovac is sh ite Colin, Ive had pmv 3 times after using it and chevita p200, nobivac is only one id use now.

[eastcoaster]

Colombovac is sh ite Colin, Ive had pmv 3 times after using it and chevita p200, nobivac is only one id use now.

Which one is not my issue anymore but when was the last time anyone challenged this vaccinating every year or tests to see if any of them actually work !

It as always is just money making scheme.

[Delboy]

Which one is not my issue anymore but when was the last time anyone challenged this vaccinating every year or tests to see if any of them actually work !

It as always is just money making scheme.

 

I agree Colin