Young Bird Sickness

[peter pandy]

bought flightpath when they first appeared on the scene and attended the blackpool show,used it for 2 years NO DIFFERENCE,save yourselves a lot of money and don't look for the preventative cos it's not there believe me I've tried everything, treat the secondary infection if it rears it's head,i've always used amoxicillin which I wouldn't go past but that's just me and the birds start to turn the corner after 3/4 days,by the way bert braspenning gets YBS every year and uses one of the top vets on the continent in dr van der sluis and if he can't prevent it what chance have we got and in my own opinion it's nothing to do with stress

Martin, If you were using FlightPath every month and still had YBS you should contact them and ask why they are missleading fanciers with their advert. I was under the impression that imoxicillan was to treat resistant bacterial infection.

[dal2]

No! you may not Dal12.

But you may take it that you are suggesting that the 'Part Timers / fanciers as to 'Racers DON'T get Y/B's. Further then who must be saying that actually it is the stress, the sending week in and week out that is causing Y/B's!

Which in it's self you admit NOT all fanciers get young bird sickness! Fine. Further that it is due to racing too much. Now whatever the cause there must then stem from that aspect. be it stress, conditioned, weaken constitution etc. etc. Whatever!

So then one splitting their' race teams into 2 -3 - 4 teams augers well in regards maintaining a stress free loft and hence no Y/B's.

Thanks for clearing that up DAL12.

 

I have taken a while to decode this post now Roland and can now confirm. ........I have no idea what your on about.

I thought I asked YOU if YOU thought birds raced every week were more at risk than the man that leaves them at home? Quite a simple question that merits no admitions or otherwise.........strange.

[aye ready]

Martin, If you were using FlightPath every month and still had YBS you should contact them and ask why they are missleading fanciers with their advert. I was under the impression that imoxicillan was to treat resistant bacterial infection.

thought i had made it quite clear peter nothing prevents/treats the young bird VIRUS but secondary infections can attack the immune system of the bird when it's at it's lowest ebb ie e-coli which causes endotoxins making the bird very ill is a gram negative bacteria hence why i treat with amoxycillin,all i can say is that it works for me so far without any antibiotic resistance which can't be ruled out in the future and like many have had it for many years and as i said in an earlier post have bought many products and wasted a lot of money trying to beat it,on another note some federation programmes i've noticed for young birds including my own are not catering for any fancier whose birds go down with this illness(and you maybe ask why should they) therefore if my young birds take ill after the first race by the time i have them ready and retrain them the federation will be too far down the road hence no racing therefore inexperienced yearlings therefore losses/loss of revenue to federation and "me" well i'll carry on regardless

[tiger]

thought i had made it quite clear peter nothing prevents/treats the young bird VIRUS but secondary infections can attack the immune system of the bird when it's at it's lowest ebb ie e-coli which causes endotoxins making the bird very ill is a gram negative bacteria hence why i treat with amoxycillin,all i can say is that it works for me so far without any antibiotic resistance which can't be ruled out in the future and like many have had it for many years and as i said in an earlier post have bought many products and wasted a lot of money trying to beat it,on another note some federation programmes i've noticed for young birds including my own are not catering for any fancier whose birds go down with this illness(and you maybe ask why should they) therefore if my young birds take ill after the first race by the time i have them ready and retrain them the federation will be too far down the road hence no racing therefore inexperienced yearlings therefore losses/loss of revenue to federation and "me" well i'll carry on regardless

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[Delboy]

thought i had made it quite clear peter nothing prevents/treats the young bird VIRUS but secondary infections can attack the immune system of the bird when it's at it's lowest ebb ie e-coli which causes endotoxins making the bird very ill is a gram negative bacteria hence why i treat with amoxycillin,all i can say is that it works for me so far without any antibiotic resistance which can't be ruled out in the future and like many have had it for many years and as i said in an earlier post have bought many products and wasted a lot of money trying to beat it,on another note some federation programmes i've noticed for young birds including my own are not catering for any fancier whose birds go down with this illness(and you maybe ask why should they) therefore if my young birds take ill after the first race by the time i have them ready and retrain them the federation will be too far down the road hence no racing therefore inexperienced yearlings therefore losses/loss of revenue to federation and "me" well i'll carry on regardless

 

Another good point Martin. I think there should be short races every week for recovered injured, ailing or later bred birds to catch up, as well as the normal program of course. Most ybs not schooled go down like snow off a dyke the following year imo.

[geordie1234]

Another good point Martin. I think there should be short races every week for recovered injured, ailing or later bred birds to catch up, as well as the normal program of course. Most ybs not schooled go down like snow off a dyke the following year imo.

Midweek club to Dunbar everyweek I'd like even thru the old bird season

[Delboy]

Midweek club to Dunbar everyweek I'd like even thru the old bird season

 

Would be perfect

[Roland]

I have taken a while to decode this post now Roland and can now confirm. ........I have no idea what your on about.

I thought I asked YOU if YOU thought birds raced every week were more at risk than the man that leaves them at home? Quite a simple question that merits no admitions or otherwise.........strange.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That's a shame dal12. I thought you were above that. I even made it simple by ASKING and replying to you. A. the gist that YOU believe that there is merit in stress for racing and y/b's and it doesn't. or is unlikely to affect those that reduce any factor of stress. Be it by reducing times in baskets and racing. Indeed you acknowledge this your self!

But to further answer another aspect of a point you contrive to add arrows to an empty quiver I will say I have already ANSWERED THEM in another post after to confirm.

No I believe a bird with GOOD immunity and constitution is more than able to compete 12 races or so. Agreed only 7 tops in great form / condition. - Referred to as 'Super form.- Youngsters love to fly. They fly with zest and seemingly enjoyment.

My point Dal12 is it is down to many faults in management both present and past.

[greenlands]

Some good post on here,but one thing that I would like to point out irrespective of how many young bird races there are,I would say 99% of young birds get YBS before the racing actually starts,usually after some good training and you end up missing the first few races and start playing catch up,big losses because some fanciers think the young birds are over the problem when they are obviously not.

[dal2]

That's a shame dal12. I thought you were above that. I even made it simple by ASKING and replying to you. A. the gist that YOU believe that there is merit in stress for racing and y/b's and it doesn't. or is unlikely to affect those that reduce any factor of stress. Be it by reducing times in baskets and racing. Indeed you acknowledge this your self!

But to further answer another aspect of a point you contrive to add arrows to an empty quiver I will say I have already ANSWERED THEM in another post after to confirm.

No I believe a bird with GOOD immunity and constitution is more than able to compete 12 races or so. Agreed only 7 tops in great form / condition. - Referred to as 'Super form.- Youngsters love to fly. They fly with zest and seemingly enjoyment.

My point Dal12 is it is down to many faults in management both present and past.

So to recap. We don't know what causes the ailment and we don't know what carries this virus, if indeed it is a virus, we don't know if stress causes it because fanciers who don't race hard still get it. We don't know if it's mixing in the race basket because lots get it in their own train basket. We don't know a deffo cure, cause we don't know what it is, but many things help in its removal. We don't know who never gets it cause we don't trust them to know the symptoms or are just full of sh**!!

Everybody has their theory and they all differ from each other.

 

 

 

Think that's summed it up

[Delboy]

So to recap. We don't know what causes the ailment and we don't know what carries this virus, if indeed it is a virus, we don't know if stress causes it because fanciers who don't race hard still get it. We don't know if it's mixing in the race basket because lots get it in their own train basket. We don't know a deffo cure, cause we don't know what it is, but many things help in its removal. We don't know who never gets it cause we don't trust them to know the symptoms or are just full of sh**!!

Everybody has their theory and they all differ from each other.

 

 

 

Think that's summed it up

 

I don't know if your right Stevie lol

[philg50]

Some good post on here,but one thing that I would like to point out irrespective of how many young bird races there are,I would say 99% of young birds get YBS before the racing actually starts,usually after some good training and you end up missing the first few races and start playing catch up,big losses because some fanciers think the young birds are over the problem when they are obviously not.

I would agree with this my birds had ybs in 2014 they hardly flew of the roof for 3 weeks ,imo to many chancing birds that are still ill rather then admit their doos have it ,this year in my fed i think 1700 doos away to a race ,previous years 2400 ,dont tell me fowk are breeding less.

[Kyleakin Lofts]

So to recap. We don't know what causes the ailment and we don't know what carries this virus, if indeed it is a virus, we don't know if stress causes it because fanciers who don't race hard still get it. We don't know if it's mixing in the race basket because lots get it in their own train basket. We don't know a deffo cure, cause we don't know what it is, but many things help in its removal. We don't know who never gets it cause we don't trust them to know the symptoms or are just full of sh**!!

Everybody has their theory and they all differ from each other.

 

 

 

Think that's summed it up

 

Stevie, giving all these fact without any proof means they are only your opinion. Am I able to trust your opinion? Are you full of sh**? Now if it is the latter perhaps you have YBS. This would mean it is a zoonoose. Have you any facts to support we are able to catch YBS? Should I wear a mask? Should you wear a mask? I hope you are able to follow this because I would like you to sum it all up in a recap please. :D

[dal2]

Stevie, giving all these fact without any proof means they are only your opinion. Am I able to trust your opinion? Are you full of sh**? Now if it is the latter perhaps you have YBS. This would mean it is a zoonoose. Have you any facts to support we are able to catch YBS? Should I wear a mask? Should you wear a mask? I hope you are able to follow this because I would like you to sum it all up in a recap please. :D

Nah that's me done wae recaps mate. Was lookin for some Shakespeare lines to give my posts a wee bit more depth but alas.......poor yoric

[Novice]

Nah that's me done wae recaps mate. Was lookin for some Shakespeare lines to give my posts a wee bit more depth but alas.......poor yoric

 

Was Shakespeare a vet ?

[Roland]

Was Shakespeare a vet ?

Nah, more a syphilis dodger mate lol.

[dal2]

Was Shakespeare a vet ?

Dinny ken but he wuz fare burstin wae them tragedies

[Roland]

So to recap. We don't know what causes the ailment and we don't know what carries this virus, if indeed it is a virus, we don't know if stress causes it because fanciers who don't race hard still get it. We don't know if it's mixing in the race basket because lots get it in their own train basket. We don't know a deffo cure, cause we don't know what it is, but many things help in its removal. We don't know who never gets it cause we don't trust them to know the symptoms or are just full of sh**!!

Everybody has their theory and they all differ from each other.

 

Think that's summed it up

Well I think about sums you up a treat Dal12.

[dal2]

Was Shakespeare a vet ?

On a serious note tho Robert. ....has anybody had a judgement from a vet as to the cause or type of ybs?

[Kyleakin Lofts]

Was Shakespeare a vet ?

 

:D

[dal2]

Well I think about sums you up a treat Dal12.

Good come back......do you disagree with any of the above?

[Novice]

On a serious note tho Robert. ....has anybody had a judgement from a vet as to the cause or type of ybs?

The information I had many years ago was that YBS was initiated by Adeno Virus. This information was supplied by Tom Pennicoat.

More recently the cause has been attributed to Circo Virus which attacks the Bursa in young pigeons. No, the bursa is not an Islamic covering but an organ which young are dependant on for immunity in the first few months of life before they develop an adult immune system.

Both causes are thought to allow secondary infections to rear up and threaten the youngster.

The reason we see such variable symptoms from one loft to another is because some lofts/birds are better placed to fight the infection when it strikes.

This can be either because they have a stronger constitution or they have fewer and less virulent secondaries lurking in the background.

I believe that the affects can be reduced by the use of immunity building products from weaning.

That's my view and until someone can convince me otherwise I will stick to my guns.

 

Both ourselves and any form of livestock are faced with an ever increasing number of viral diseases. That's evolution I am afraid.

We are fortunate that medical science is also evolving which will help to protect humans but, unfortunately it's slightly expensive for our birds.

 

Incidentally when this Syndrome strikes we are advised to feed lightly. This light feed should not include barley as that grain contains a large percentage of fibre.

[Kyleakin Lofts]

On a serious note tho Robert. ....has anybody had a judgement from a vet as to the cause or type of ybs?

 

I remember reading that YBS was just a name. There is no such illness as YBS.

It is then alluded to Circovirus being the primary cause and several other secondary infections entering due to the reduced immunity from fighting the primary problem.

The illness we term YBS is therefore a combination of problems, ranging from very minor and extending to death, dependent of the combination encountered by the fancier. These combinations are many and varied and that is the main reason why no two fanciers are able to agree what they have or don't have and why vets are unable to remedy with a cure or provide a preventative.

Some of what Roly says is alluded to being correct since stress, in any form, weakens the YB's resilience and renders them susceptible to attack from viruses and bacterial infections.

[dal2]

The information I had many years ago was that YBS was initiated by Adeno Virus. This information was supplied by Tom Pennicoat.

More recently the cause has been attributed to Circo Virus which attacks the Bursa in young pigeons. No, the bursa is not an Islamic covering but an organ which young are dependant on for immunity in the first few months of life before they develop an adult immune system.

Both causes are thought to allow secondary infections to rear up and threaten the youngster.

The reason we see such variable symptoms from one loft to another is because some lofts/birds are better placed to fight the infection when it strikes.

This can be either because they have a stronger constitution or they have fewer and less virulent secondaries lurking in the background.

I believe that the affects can be reduced by the use of immunity building products from weaning.

That's my view and until someone can convince me otherwise I will stick to my guns.

 

Both ourselves and any form of livestock are faced with an ever increasing number of viral diseases. That's evolution I am afraid.

We are fortunate that medical science is also evolving which will help to protect humans but, unfortunately it's slightly expensive for our birds.

 

Incidentally when this Syndrome strikes we are advised to feed lightly. This light feed should not include barley as that grain contains a large percentage of fibre.

Great stuff Robert

 

Circovirus encapsulates loads of diffo virus's is this correct? So could be one of any number of viral problem giving the usual symptoms in varying degrees?

[dal2]

I remember reading that YBS was just a name. There is no such illness as YBS.

It is then alluded to Circovirus being the primary cause and several other secondary infections entering due to the reduced immunity from fighting the primary problem.

The illness we term YBS is therefore a combination of problems, ranging from very minor and extending to death, dependent of the combination encountered by the fancier. These combinations are many and varied and that is the main reason why no two fanciers are able to agree what they have or don't have and why vets are unable to remedy with a cure or provide a preventative.

Some of what Roly says is alluded to being correct since stress, in any form, weakens the YB's resilience and renders them susceptible to attack from viruses and bacterial infections.

 

Nobody disagreein with Roly.....he just thinks am out to wind him up