showman Posted December 20, 2017 Report Share Posted December 20, 2017 An old mate of mine was on the phone just now with me. I didn't know the answer, so I said I would post on here to ask members if anyone could help.He has noticed mice coming into the loft (never a problem before).Over the past 3 days he has noticed a couple of birds being 'out of sorts', with them humped up on the perch. Both of us thought it could be faeces or urine on the corn. Any ideas, different theories or what to treat with ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyleakin Lofts Posted December 20, 2017 Report Share Posted December 20, 2017 This time of year mice are a major problem, so first and foremost, set traps and secure the loft as best as possible to prevent their ingress. Don't leave any food out overnight and ensure food stores are sealed to prevent them getting into it. Get rid of any contaminated feed. As to the cure for the pigeons, hopefully someone else will have an answer for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommy bhoys Posted December 20, 2017 Report Share Posted December 20, 2017 An old mate of mine was on the phone just now with me. I didn't know the answer, so I said I would post on here to ask members if anyone could help.He has noticed mice coming into the loft (never a problem before).Over the past 3 days he has noticed a couple of birds being 'out of sorts', with them humped up on the perch. Both of us thought it could be faeces or urine on the corn. Any ideas, different theories or what to treat with ?empty drinkers out before leaving the lofts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiley Posted December 20, 2017 Report Share Posted December 20, 2017 October November and December have always been known to be the months when paratyphoid can be rife mice being a big part of the problem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froog Posted December 20, 2017 Report Share Posted December 20, 2017 Use Para Stop, if disease is thro mice, its probably Salmonella. Must say tho many vets dispute the fact that the salmonella mice carry can be passed to pigeons. Another fact is, even tho no mice in your loft, the corn we all buy in sealed bags etc is stored in granaries before it goes in the bag, and those granaries are infested with rodents, just a thought..... hope your birds are ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Druid Lofts Posted December 21, 2017 Report Share Posted December 21, 2017 Where's the best place to buy Para Stop? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyleakin Lofts Posted December 21, 2017 Report Share Posted December 21, 2017 Paul, it is a prescription medicine. Send some faeces samples to De Weerd and you will then be under their care. They will prescribe the Parastop to you. Your test will cost £10 payable when you phone for the kit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommy bhoys Posted December 21, 2017 Report Share Posted December 21, 2017 Use Para Stop, if disease is thro mice, its probably Salmonella. Must say tho many vets dispute the fact that the salmonella mice carry can be passed to pigeons. Another fact is, even tho no mice in your loft, the corn we all buy in sealed bags etc is stored in granaries before it goes in the bag, and those granaries are infested with rodents, just a thought..... hope your birds are ok. personally think para stop is a rip aff at the price they charge plenty other products out there at a fraction of the price and do the same job if not better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lanarkshire lad Posted December 21, 2017 Report Share Posted December 21, 2017 Use Para Stop, if disease is thro mice, its probably Salmonella. Must say tho many vets dispute the fact that the salmonella mice carry can be passed to pigeons. Another fact is, even tho no mice in your loft, the corn we all buy in sealed bags etc is stored in granaries before it goes in the bag, and those granaries are infested with rodents, just a thought..... hope your birds are ok.Make no mistake about it mice and there urine are a source of salmonella for pigeons that’s for sure a mouse disnae stop for a slash it just pishes while it moves about a real nightmare to the pigeon fancier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dal2 Posted December 21, 2017 Report Share Posted December 21, 2017 17 snared since October. Little barlstards....am no sure if the cure for salmonella/typhoid is worth it in the long run Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lanarkshire lad Posted December 21, 2017 Report Share Posted December 21, 2017 17 snared since October. Little barlstards....am no sure if the cure for salmonella/typhoid is worth it in the long runAgree if they get it I think it leaves a weakness in them racing pigeons need to be 100% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
just ask me Posted December 21, 2017 Report Share Posted December 21, 2017 Get them tested noting worse than to give the wrong medication when there all ready sick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dal2 Posted December 21, 2017 Report Share Posted December 21, 2017 Get them tested noting worse than to give the wrong medication when there all ready sickHow good is the testing for paratyphoid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiley Posted December 21, 2017 Report Share Posted December 21, 2017 How good is the testing for paratyphoid? If they do cultures i believe pretty good with the correct medication to treat it most effectively Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froog Posted December 21, 2017 Report Share Posted December 21, 2017 personally think para stop is a rip aff at the price they charge plenty other products out there at a fraction of the price and do the same job if not better Which ones Tommy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dal2 Posted December 21, 2017 Report Share Posted December 21, 2017 If they do cultures i believe pretty good with the correct medication to treat it most effectivelyI read that the difference between subclinical infetion(hope this is correct) or something to that affect made it pretty hard to detect in the sh** and allowed the carry to be undetected for years in the loft......i might be wrong, either way it's a sh** of a thing to have Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiley Posted December 21, 2017 Report Share Posted December 21, 2017 Yes it doesn’t shed in the droppings all the time hence when doing a culture u should take droppings over 5 days keeping the sample in the fridge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
just ask me Posted December 21, 2017 Report Share Posted December 21, 2017 It's good for para we not sure if these birds even have para yet though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R.A.M.C.63 Posted December 22, 2017 Report Share Posted December 22, 2017 Think u shud sort Mice problem 1st , Then birds mite sort themselves be surprised if a few mice appearing in loft would bring birds down so quick , I had mice for years , Done my head in , but didn't affect birds health , was the cats That ware attracted to lofts was problem, often at nite , birds don't rest ? so don't look right , Sorted now mice free zone , Atb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyleakin Lofts Posted December 22, 2017 Report Share Posted December 22, 2017 Think u shud sort Mice problem 1st , Then birds mite sort themselves be surprised if a few mice appearing in loft would bring birds down so quick , I had mice for years , Done my head in , but didn't affect birds health , was the cats That ware attracted to lofts was problem, often at nite , birds don't rest ? so don't look right , Sorted now mice free zone , Atb Just as I said on post 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Druid Lofts Posted December 23, 2017 Report Share Posted December 23, 2017 I used to shoot on a farm about 20yr ago,the farmer kept pigeons and budgies and other birds too many to mention,he had pigeons in barns and huts that never got cleaned out,I seen mice by the hundred running over birds nests he never treated for anything as I asked him often what he did about the mice and rats. All he said was he lost some yb's to the rats but the rest were fine,guys used to queue up to buy his birds. Not racers i may add. Is it possible the racing fancy has wasted the natural immunity that the birds had by constantly giving the birds so many different medicines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dal2 Posted December 23, 2017 Report Share Posted December 23, 2017 I used to shoot on a farm about 20yr ago,the farmer kept pigeons and budgies and other birds too many to mention,he had pigeons in barns and huts that never got cleaned out,I seen mice by the hundred running over birds nests he never treated for anything as I asked him often what he did about the mice and rats. All he said was he lost some yb's to the rats but the rest were fine,guys used to queue up to buy his birds. Not racers i may add. Is it possible the racing fancy has wasted the natural immunity that the birds had by constantly giving the birds so many different medicines.Racing birds are a lot different from show or fancy......i look ok from the outside but I couldn't run the length of myself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted December 23, 2017 Report Share Posted December 23, 2017 We have caught at least a dozen mice in the loft in the past couple of months but doos are a picture to look at mind you we urnae catching them in where the doos are but in the section as we open the door in the old bird loft Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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