Gold Cup Interest (Beans)

[eastcoaster]

I have had a few guys at loft recently an one in particular commented on me feeding beans to my national no hope,rs my words not his he said you have no chance winning these days feeding beans .

So I looked up the gold cup over the years ,

From 2005/2015

When the more modern feeding methods would be in place , over the 10 year period the average velocity is 1214 ypm

 

Then compare it with the years 1965/1975 when beans were the main feed the average velocity is 1310 ypm

 

Even 1950/1959 the average velocity is 1176 so not a lot of differance .

So I say sod your fats/carbs just feed beans and fly natural .

Good luck all tomorrow .

[Kyleakin Lofts]

I have had a few guys at loft recently an one in particular commented on me feeding beans to my national no hope,rs my words not his he said you have no chance winning these days feeding beans .

So I looked up the gold cup over the years ,

From 2005/2015

When the more modern feeding methods would be in place , over the 10 year period the average velocity is 1214 ypm

 

Then compare it with the years 1965/1975 when beans were the main feed the average velocity is 1310 ypm

 

Even 1950/1959 the average velocity is 1176 so not a lot of differance .

So I say sod your fats/carbs just feed beans and fly natural .

Good luck all tomorrow .

 

I would think the differences would not be found in the velocities.

 

1950 - 1959 These years were not long after the war. Everyone was in the same boat regarding availability etc, but the peregrines were far fewer.

 

1965 - 1975 Again peregrines were fewer, albeit feeding techniques may have started to change.

 

2005 - 2015 Peregrines were rife.

 

How does this affect velocities. According to your statistics not very much. This means the lead pigeons may be getting through and the tail enders are the prey. If this is correct, then the modern feeding methods of carbs and fats will produce instant acceleration and a maintained speed without calling on the proteins to strip muscle ensuring a faster recovery, ready for next time. The bean / protein fed pigeons may fly at a slower steadier speed and become more susceptible to becoming prey.

[eastcoaster]

I would think the differences would not be found in the velocities.

 

1950 - 1959 These years were not long after the war. Everyone was in the same boat regarding availability etc, but the peregrines were far fewer.

 

1965 - 1975 Again peregrines were fewer, albeit feeding techniques may have started to change.

 

2005 - 2015 Peregrines were rife.

 

How does this affect velocities. According to your statistics not very much. This means the lead pigeons may be getting through and the tail enders are the prey. If this is correct, then the modern feeding methods of carbs and fats will produce instant acceleration and a maintained speed without calling on the proteins to strip muscle ensuring a faster recovery, ready for next time. The bean / protein fed pigeons may fly at a slower steadier speed and become more susceptible to becoming prey.

The best. Velocity wins the race and that does,nt count don,t follow that .

[dal2]

I would think the differences would not be found in the velocities.

 

1950 - 1959 These years were not long after the war. Everyone was in the same boat regarding availability etc, but the peregrines were far fewer.

 

1965 - 1975 Again peregrines were fewer, albeit feeding techniques may have started to change.

 

2005 - 2015 Peregrines were rife.

 

How does this affect velocities. According to your statistics not very much. This means the lead pigeons may be getting through and the tail enders are the prey. If this is correct, then the modern feeding methods of carbs and fats will produce instant acceleration and a maintained speed without calling on the proteins to strip muscle ensuring a faster recovery, ready for next time. The bean / protein fed pigeons may fly at a slower steadier speed and become more susceptible to becoming prey.

Maybe simplicity is the best lol

[paddymac]

Maybe simplicity is the best lol

Always been told to keep things simple by older fanciers, I still have it as a rule.

[peter pandy]

I have came to the same conclusion and have already ordered a ton of beans for next year.

[yeboah]

My Birds wouldn't know what a maple or tick bean looked like and seem to be doing ok

 

Most important part would be how good the bird is that's eating it

Good Luck to all whatever you feed

With the young peregrines now flying the length and breadth of the country that is the main factor with large groups in the early stages after liberations

[hotrod]

My Birds wouldn't know what a maple or tick bean looked like and seem to be doing ok

 

Most important part would be how good the bird is that's eating it

Good Luck to all whatever you feed

With the young peregrines now flying the length and breadth of the country that is the main factor with large groups in the early stages after liberations

Michael what do you feed to rear youngsters if you don't use maples or beans ? Just wondering ?

[yeboah]

Michael what do you feed to rear youngsters if you don't use maples or beans ? Just wondering ?

Hi Stuart

Sorry if I have misled was referring to celibate cocks and celibate hens

The stock rear the young and are just fed a basic mix with titbits

My small team of natural hens get some maples only when rearing

Atb mick

[frank-123]

You have said all season how poor your returns and racing has been. Have you raced on a heavy protein (bean) feed all year??

[eastcoaster]

You have said all season how poor your returns and racing has been. Have you raced on a heavy protein (bean) feed all year??

If it's me you refer to ? No they have been on start plus then superstar plus but more to my poor season than feeding .

They were put on beans as a staple when I basically gave up due to losing so many what I thought were good birds .

I went back to feeding beans for the nationals 2 years ago and was 4 th sect clermont 8 th sect Eastbourne but have had 2 terrible years with virus which I still think is a problem somewhere .

[VMS]

Beans mixed through the feeding all year round old birds and young birds,

[frank-123]

If it's me you refer to ? No they have been on start plus then superstar plus but more to my poor season than feeding .

They were put on beans as a staple when I basically gave up due to losing so many what I thought were good birds .

I went back to feeding beans for the nationals 2 years ago and was 4 th sect clermont 8 th sect Eastbourne but have had 2 terrible years with virus which I still think is a problem somewhere .

 

Ok all different ways and roads to success. I just remembered you posted before regarding your losses and returns.

Kevin Winter told me to stop feeding protein all together when I raced maybe a small amount on a monday after a tough race to rebuild muscle and even then it was protein powder.

[frank-123]

Beans mixed through the feeding all year round old birds and young birds,

Did you up the beans for the gold medal race??

[VMS]

Did you up the beans for the gold medal race??

All year round Frank same percentage mixed through the racing mixture

[frank-123]

All year round Frank same percentage mixed through the racing mixture

I liked marimans variamax for over 200 miles it was expensive but it suited me at the time i just wanted to make sure they had the best come the longer races.

[VMS]

I liked marimans variamax for over 200 miles it was expensive but it suited me at the time i just wanted to make sure they had the best come the longer races.

When you starting back mate,soon I hope 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧

[frank-123]

When you starting back mate,soon I hope 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧

Wont ever start back now but I enjoy my time round at Davie Allisons which suits me just fine. He has had a great few years a dedicated fancier and it tells me you need to give them 100% or you wont get the rewards. Plus nae *unt likes me ...lol

[William Reid]

Wont ever start back now but I enjoy my time round at Davie Allisons which suits me just fine. He has had a great few years a dedicated fancier and it tells me you need to give them 100% or you wont get the rewards. Plus nae *unt likes me ...lol

FPMSL.

Tommybhoys has a soft spot for you

[W.D.]

Wonder what some of the older fanciers, like the late John Ellis, might have said regarding feeding beans?

I fed them last year for the 1st time in many years, because I was getting them for £8 a bag from Roger Sutton, and had plenty left for the racing season, so included them in their mix.

Don't know about you guys but I find with these low protein mixes, the birds crave/look for protein after a few weeks on them.

Found them to be a good guide to use in the mix as they would only eat them when they needed them. If there was too much left I would reduce the % until they were eating them up.

I was once invited to watch a mates birds come from a 450ml race and seen the birds come home like they were towing one another in. 20 plus widowhood cocks he sent that day, and all his troughs were full of grain all grown on the farm, Beans, Wheat, Maize, and some Green Peas.

None of them went to the trough when they went in. He let me handle some and you wouldn't believe they had been away.

Asked how he prepared them, and he said the food is front of them all the time, as he doesn't have the time with his work, and only lets them out twice a day.

He did say however, in his opinion, Maize is the fuel they need to build up reserves for flying.

He was no mug either at it as he was a past winner of the Region O/B Average with 15,000 members, yes, 15,000!!!

[Roland]

Look at the properties of their feed.

One thing that so many fail to see, or don't want to, is the fact that the 'Carbs etc. are gone after 15 to 25 minutes. Hence only any good for a quick start in shorter races etc.

One may look at the break down of the units of heat used that they fly on to see, and take note, of what is needed in a hard race. Too many return with toxin in their' blood due to burning up the muscles.

 

John's needn't give a reply or reply, or such, as they are excused due their not being able to understand basics ... hence save those that do, the hassle of bumping heads against hard things. :emoticon-0136-giggle:

[geordie1234]

Wonder what some of the older fanciers, like the late John Ellis, might have said regarding feeding beans?

I fed them last year for the 1st time in many years, because I was getting them for £8 a bag from Roger Sutton, and had plenty left for the racing season, so included them in their mix.

Don't know about you guys but I find with these low protein mixes, the birds crave/look for protein after a few weeks on them.

Found them to be a good guide to use in the mix as they would only eat them when they needed them. If there was too much left I would reduce the % until they were eating them up.

I was once invited to watch a mates birds come from a 450ml race and seen the birds come home like they were towing one another in. 20 plus widowhood cocks he sent that day, and all his troughs were full of grain all grown on the farm, Beans, Wheat, Maize, and some Green Peas.

None of them went to the trough when they went in. He let me handle some and you wouldn't believe they had been away.

Asked how he prepared them, and he said the food is front of them all the time, as he doesn't have the time with his work, and only lets them out twice a day.

He did say however, in his opinion, Maize is the fuel they need to build up reserves for flying.

He was no mug either at it as he was a past winner of the Region O/B Average with 15,000 members, yes, 15,000!!!

Good post...i do think sometimes we over complicate things

[Guest johnhunter]

Look at the properties of their feed.

One thing that so many fail to see, or don't want to, is the fact that the 'Carbs etc. are gone after 15 to 25 minutes. Hence only any good for a quick start in shorter races etc.

One may look at the break down of the units of heat used that they fly on to see, and take note, of what is needed in a hard race. Too many return with toxin in their' blood due to burning up the muscles.

 

John's needn't give a reply or reply, or such, as they are excused due their not being able to understand basics ... hence save those that do, the hassle of bumping heads against hard things. :emoticon-0136-giggle:

roland ,for your information we timed out of rennes many a time and what did we feed BEANS BEANS AND MORE BEANS LOL

[Roland]

roland ,for your information we timed out of rennes many a time and what did we feed BEANS BEANS AND MORE BEANS LOL

 

Good to see you've BEAN there then lol.

[Guest johnhunter]

Good to see you've BEAN there then lol.

that's correct BEAN there and done it ,lol