Bird Flu

[THE FIFER]

what about our Christmas Turkeys ????????/

[Ian McKay]

what about our Christmas Turkeys ????????/

 

 

What about it mines in the freezer hope it disna get the flu :emoticon-0136-giggle:

[THE FIFER]

What about it mines in the freezer hope it disna get the flu :emoticon-0136-giggle:

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hope you r allowed to let it out for xmas

[greenlands]

Update from Defra,it looks like we can let them out.Scroll past biosecurity to pigeons or BOP.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/avian-influenza-bird-flu

[REDCHEQHEN]

Update from Defra,it looks like we can let them out.Scroll past biosecurity to pigeons or BOP.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/avian-influenza-bird-flu

 

And contradicted by the RPRA

 

Update at 17.00 12th December 2016

 

Since the update below I have been in regular contact with DEFRA/Animal and Plant Health Agency (APHA). During this period members and organisations have been given conflicting advice in relation to pigeons. However, the advice I have been given is that the compulsory confinement of pigeons remains and that anyone releasing pigeons outside of the loft may be liable to prosecution. Please be assured that I am doing everything possible to get this restriction lifted.

 

Ian Evans

 

General Manager

 

http://www.rpra.org/avian-influenza-bird-flu-prevention-zone/

[Henrik]

Linda has had a busy week end of year accounts and the show when I spoke to her today she was tired and had just got the info as I was speaking to her so please give her time to catch up

 

But why do we all need a personal message as it is on official paper

Just so happens that every Federation Secretary doesnt use pigeonbasics Ian

[Ian McKay]

Just so happens that every Federation Secretary doesnt use pigeonbasics Ian

 

 

I know that Bobby she just asked me to put it up and I did but seems some are offended I got it the news first typical pigeon fanciers

 

As Andy say's the colour of sh** ?????????

[JohnQuinn]

I just read on .gov.uk that you can fly Pigeons and (ironically!)BOP but avoid contact (catching) wildfowl and keep a close eye on yer doos health.

[Kyleakin Lofts]

I just read on .gov.uk that you can fly Pigeons and (ironically!)BOP but avoid contact (catching) wildfowl and keep a close eye on yer doos health.

 

Did you also read the biosecurity measures? How do we stop our pigeons drinking from gutters or puddles where wild birds have been drinking? How do we stop our pigeons from rooting about the ground where wild birds have also been rooting about. The Agencies are being run by fools and idiots.

First they tell us there is very little risk, but they are bringing in these measures to prevent the possibility of it spreading, if it does arrive. A week later they tell us it now does not affect pigeons or BOP. Is this pressure from the RSPB to ensure we let our pigeons out so the wild BOP can eat during the winter? Is this because our pigeons are expendable if it does arrive?

The RPRA are stating that they have been told it is still an offence if our pigeons are allowed out.

It is a poor reflection on our Government Agencies when they allow conflicting information to be released because this just causes confusion and brings their status into disrepute.

[Froog]

I know that Bobby she just asked me to put it up and I did but seems some are offended I got it the news first typical pigeon fanciers

 

As Andy say's the colour of sh** ?????????

Cheers for the info Ian, my birds will be out tomorrow

[Froog]

Did you also read the biosecurity measures? How do we stop our pigeons drinking from gutters or puddles where wild birds have been drinking? How do we stop our pigeons from rooting about the ground where wild birds have also been rooting about. The Agencies are being run by fools and idiots.

First they tell us there is very little risk, but they are bringing in these measures to prevent the possibility of it spreading, if it does arrive. A week later they tell us it now does not affect pigeons or BOP. Is this pressure from the RSPB to ensure we let our pigeons out so the wild BOP can eat during the winter? Is this because our pigeons are expendable if it does arrive?

The RPRA are stating that they have been told it is still an offence if our pigeons are allowed out.

It is a poor reflection on our Government Agencies when they allow conflicting information to be released because this just causes confusion and brings their status into disrepute.

Never believe anything your government tells you, from good sources, ive heard pigeons don't catch bird flu? don't shoot me, I'm only the messenger

[JohnQuinn]

I only posted what i read in there Andy.....Ps. Ma doos don't go to the roofs, they land on the loft or adjoining shed because thats how i trained them when they were babies. So gutters are no an issue and there's nae poultry in my garden at any time so al take my chances (after i copy & save they're "advice" !!)

[JohnQuinn]

After the last outbreak the relevant governing bodies should have taken the initiative and established just Exactly how Avian Flu does or does Not affect our birds.

[Froog]

After the last outbreak the relevant governing bodies should have taken the initiative and established just Exactly how Avian Flu does or does Not affect our birds.

Exactly, the whole point is....it doesnt

[Kyleakin Lofts]

After the last outbreak the relevant governing bodies should have taken the initiative and established just Exactly how Avian Flu does or does Not affect our birds.

 

I have also heard that it doesn't affect our pigeons and I also agree that the chances are minimal, however, I think it is prudent to listen to what the RPRA are stating where they say it is still an offence. Copy and paste the information to safeguard yourself against prosecution if you are taken to task.

[Froog]

I have also heard that it doesn't affect our pigeons and I also agree that the chances are minimal, however, I think it is prudent to listen to what the RPRA are stating where they say it is still an offence. Copy and paste the information to safeguard yourself against prosecution if you are taken to task.

Agreed, but we go by SHU rules up here, if they say its ok to let birds out, its ok

[Delboy]

And contradicted by the RPRA

 

Update at 17.00 12th December 2016

 

Since the update below I have been in regular contact with DEFRA/Animal and Plant Health Agency (APHA). During this period members and organisations have been given conflicting advice in relation to pigeons. However, the advice I have been given is that the compulsory confinement of pigeons remains and that anyone releasing pigeons outside of the loft may be liable to prosecution. Please be assured that I am doing everything possible to get this restriction lifted.

 

Ian Evans

 

General Manager

 

http://www.rpra.org/avian-influenza-bird-flu-prevention-zone/

 

I told you what DEFRA said , do you believe me now lol

[Kyleakin Lofts]

Agreed, but we go by SHU rules up here, if they say its ok to let birds out, its ok

 

Sorry, but your statement is incorrect.

The SHU is the NGB in most areas of Scotland. The RPRA is the NGB for some areas in Scotland. They are both only NGB for pigeon related matters.

This is not a pigeon related matter. It is a National matter and that is the reason the Government Agencies are issuing directives. It will be a different Government Agency that fulfils the prosecution, but nevertheless, if a prosecution ensues your defence that the SHU instructed you will not "stand up".

It would be wise to copy and paste the new information. This would give you at least "one leg to stand on" as they attempt to drop you on your ars3.

[Froog]

Sorry, but your statement is incorrect.

The SHU is the NGB in most areas of Scotland. The RPRA is the NGB for some areas in Scotland. They are both only NGB for pigeon related matters.

This is not a pigeon related matter. It is a National matter and that is the reason the Government Agencies are issuing directives. It will be a different Government Agency that fulfils the prosecution, but nevertheless, if a prosecution ensues your defence that the SHU instructed you will not "stand up".

It would be wise to copy and paste the new information. This would give you at least "one leg to stand on" as they attempt to drop you on your ars3.

I have

[ally mac]

Bit of a scunner, I was looking forwards to getting them out today, SHU say itrs okay but update on RPRA site (i'm RPRA) says no. Got a bampot neighbour so wont risk it. He would do anything he could to get to us.

[ally mac]

Another update from RPRA site.

 

Update at 09.15 13th December 2016

Following a number of telephone calls with APHA/DEFRA officers yesterday I can confirm that the restriction relating to pigeons has been lifted. Fanciers are reminded that every step should be taken to avoid pigeons coming into contact with wild birds including drinking from the same water.

Ian Evans

General Manager

[Novice]

In keeping with the SHU information letter my hens are out at the moment.

Perhaps the RPRA have a different view on matters as they just haven't bothered to seek an update and they are mainly concerned with an area several hundred miles south of most members of this site.

[philg50]

Now after reading and listening to the ensuing debate ,no one shareing the same opinion as per usual even the top brass dont know what they want i am totaly confused ??? I take it you can let your birds out only in a avery with a mesh that will keep out little birds sparrows etc but you cant fly them out in the open as they will be able to make contact with wild birds ,now as usual there are the few that say they will go their own way and i cant blame you but as for me i think i will keep them in ,i think????.

[Kyleakin Lofts]

Another update from RPRA site.

 

Update at 09.15 13th December 2016

Following a number of telephone calls with APHA/DEFRA officers yesterday I can confirm that the restriction relating to pigeons has been lifted. Fanciers are reminded that every step should be taken to avoid pigeons coming into contact with wild birds including drinking from the same water.

Ian Evans

General Manager

 

DEFRA are just covering their ars3.

 

There is a very small risk, so lock up.

 

Pigeons don't come under this guideline, so let them out amongst the wild population, but avoid them coming into contact with the wild population.

 

What a croc of sh1t. If we let them out they are no longer under our control. We can tell them not to mix with the wild population, but will they listen to us? If, and I agree it is a very remote chance, they become infected, DEFRA will state that their guidance was not to let them mix and we haven't followed it, so it is our own fault. Thus my original statement. This sort of guidance hardly inspires me. They require to take responsibility for their guidance and ensure that it is safe and correct. In this matter, they have failed.

[Roland]

Can't see where it say AFTER 6th December you can let the birds out. Wishful, and dangerous hoping here I believe.

 

Latest situation

Poultry keepers across Great Britain must now keep chickens, hens, ducks and turkeys housed indoors where practicable, or keep them separate from wild birds. For farmed geese, game birds and other captive birds where housing is less practicable, keepers must take steps to keep them separate from wild birds.

This is because on 6 December 2016 Defra, the Scottish Government and the Welsh Government announced Avian Influenza Prevention Zones to help protect poultry from a highly pathogenic strain of avian flu present in Europe. The zones cover the whole of England, Scotland and Wales. They will remain in place for 30 days (until 6 January). You can read more about this further down this page.

 

Time to just accept and get on with it. JMO.