Paramoxo Vaccine , Why ?

[Roland]

yes but they could be put to better use snip the ring if any take young bird sickness don't nap them let them go on route of flight every little helps they might as well get there own back on them

 

True bigda. About all that they are worthy of. However one can buy scores dirt cheap at any Fur and Market.

[johnnybundy]

If you give them to much vacsean does that give them para as it is a live vacsean

[Kyleakin Lofts]

Live vaccine is not licenced in the UK.

[We man]

If you give them to much vacsean does that give them para as it is a live vacsean

[johnnybundy]

Wat is the difference fro para and nodovac

[Kyleakin Lofts]

Colombovac is a water based vaccine. Nobivac is an oil based vaccine. They are both used in the same manner by vaccinating under the skin, but whilst care must be taken with both, the oil based carrier in Nobivac can cause more serious problems if accidently vaccinating yourself. Nobivac is a thicker liquid than Colombovac and as such can be a little more difficult to use, but seemingly better results are achieved with Nobivac. I think this comes down to fancier preference although I do use Nobivac myself.

[johnnybundy]

Thank for the info mate can you jag the bird to many time if so can it give the bird para thanks

[Kyleakin Lofts]

I always follow the guidelines on the bottle or the advice of the vet after sending in for test results. I expect I would become a bit perturbed if asked to vaccinate the amount of times mentioned earlier in the thread.

I would then be asking the same questions. Does the vaccine do any good whatsoever if we are being told to use it as often as this? Does the test centre know what they are doing when they tell me to use the vaccine as often as this or are they just clutching at straws?

[dunc50]

i was told by belgica to vaccinate treat with there 4x1 then a week later to re vaccinate, i would have had to put them on methadone to wean then of drugs expletive remove

[William Reid]

i was told by belgica to vaccinate treat with there 4x1 then a week later to re vaccinate, i would have had to put them on methadone to wean then of drugs expletive remove

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[geordie1234]

Belgica weerd don't even have a vet doing the tests

[walterboswell59]

imo there is a problem with the columbo vac vaccine made in the last year or so and that is why it has been taken off the market

[C WRIGHT]

its just a stock MARKET we have been forced to use and create

money racket

as well injrcting toothpaste

its law created by the same guys with the shares

wouldnt mind a pound for every bit of useless sh---t we inject every year

just my opnion

better getting to the real problem and treating for the problem

now that would be money well spent

[William Reid]

its just a stock MARKET we have been forced to use and create

money racket

as well injrcting toothpaste

its law created by the same guys with the shares

wouldnt mind a pound for every bit of useless sh---t we inject every year

just my opnion

better getting to the real problem and treating for the problem

now that would be money well spent

Hopefully I don't upset you with this reply . But what problem are you talking about

[YOUNG JOE]

Hi everyone I've also jagged for the paramyxovirus with nobillis than had few late breeds that got paramyxovirus and would like to state that I jag every young birds at 6 weeks old but still got it anyway I treated with 4in1 for ten days then 6 day I'll give them a probiotic then jag with colombovav then again week later and it works for me and also after the second jag and they don't look right you know what the bins for . All the best joe.

[C WRIGHT]

Hopefully I don't upset you with this reply . But what problem are you talking about

 

 

PARATYPHIOD

THIS JAG SHOULD BE COMPULSORY

 

LIKE I SAID JUST MY OPINION

[gulkie]

Would u feed your pigeon a pie before your raced it to stop it winning 😂?

Do horses eat pies ? :emoticon-0136-giggle:

[Roland]

Gulkie do you have greyhounds?

[james mcguire]

Had similar thing in loft a few years back but not just yearlings older birds too after trying everything on market ,even the dreaded enrofoxacin (baytril) , I ended up having to put down some very good pigeons including the dam of my snrpc national winner ,a blue cock that had 3 diplomas with the snfc including 1st section , I was basically starting again with only 6 race birds left and that years youngsters , the funny thing was the old birds had problems in one section the youngsters in next one were perfectly healthy , I eventually tried Walter boswells tonic , the loft settled down and have used this ever since at least once per week , I've put other fanciers on it too every one of them are reporting healthy lofts , so thank you Walter . £10 /bag and will do for years and years . Ps this is not an advert for Walter just pure fact . Hope you sort it out Colin all the best Stuart .

Well said hotrod.walters tonic does work

[kingziemckay]

a product that is antibacterial seems to work wonders on them,picking them back up,

[REDCHEQHEN]

PARATYPHIOD

THIS JAG SHOULD BE COMPULSORY

 

LIKE I SAID JUST MY OPINION

This thread is about PMV is it not, not Paratyphoid

[Roland]

A world renowned vet - Avian and attender of many big meets etc. Emailed a few short years back saying, Inject every time for Parra regardless. In Canada many jab twice in the nest and within 6 weeks they have had 3 jabs ...

Now how many and what % I wouldn't ascertain a guess. I know, like most, many fanciers, (too many!?) just sign the dotted line for each other as they feel it is a waste of time. They quote Belgium it is only required to do once etc. (Don't recall it being different now, but could be wrong). That even after 7 years it will still show up as Para... Me, safer than sorrier and if it doesn't work wonders DOES it do any harm? I know there is a jury out about ...

[peter pandy]

Colin, I was sorry to read of your plight and held off a reply in the hope somebody more knowledgable than I may come up with the answer you require. But it has not been forthcoming so I can relate a possible "theory".

When we jag for Para we are advised to keep the birds in quarantine for 14 days due to them passing out Para in their droppings and shedding bloom.

In your first post you intimated that your problem started after the first National race which brings to mind a Moot I was at where a top distance man sat on the panel answering questions. One off the questions he replied to was "How do you prepare a bird for a National race" ?. The reply he gave was "Prior to the first National his race team are vaccinated for Para". He went on to say that it was to give them a booster in case their was a diseased bird entered and this was practiced with every race team for every National he was entering. You could say he did not give a hoot that his birds were giving all those on the transporter a dose of Para in the perfect environment for a virus.

[Kyleakin Lofts]

Colin, I was sorry to read of your plight and held off a reply in the hope somebody more knowledgable than I may come up with the answer you require. But it has not been forthcoming so I can relate a possible "theory".

When we jag for Para we are advised to keep the birds in quarantine for 14 days due to them passing out Para in their droppings and shedding bloom.

In your first post you intimated that your problem started after the first National race which brings to mind a Moot I was at where a top distance man sat on the panel answering questions. One off the questions he replied to was "How do you prepare a bird for a National race" ?. The reply he gave was "Prior to the first National his race team are vaccinated for Para". He went on to say that it was to give them a booster in case their was a diseased bird entered and this was practiced with every race team for every National he was entering. You could say he did not give a hoot that his birds were giving all those on the transporter a dose of Para in the perfect environment for a virus.

 

This ties in with the advice from Walter Boswell that all the pigeons should be done at the one time. When the YB's are vaccinated he noticed a drop in form in the OB's and he put it down to fighting off the shed virus. I believe he now vaccinates all pigeons at the same time. I am sure Walter could clarify his findings in a far better way than I have done.

[Guest IB]

I think there's a lot of confusion about the only Paramyxovirus vaccines authorised for use in the UK. Nobilis and Colombovac are both dead vaccines and their correct use can't give the birds Paramyxo. The leaflets are quite clear - do not use on unhealthy pigeons, do not mix with another veterinary medical product, and a SINGLE dose (0.25ml and 0.20 ml respectively) provides immunity for ONE Year. Following vaccination avoid contact with birds from OTHER lofts for at least 14 days.

 

These are the manufacturers' instructions and this is what your race sheet tells you you MUST follow. If you don't, then you haven't followed your Union's instructions or the Manufacturers' and your birds are considered NOT to have been vaccinated. NOT vaccinated means not only you don't get to race, but the DEFRA General Race Licence that lets us all race subject to certain conditions being met (including vaccinated for Paramyxo in accordance with Manufacturers' instructions) risks being revoked and if that happens nobody in the UK gets to race.

 

I think there's a lot of confusion about the only Paramyxovirus vaccines authorised for use in the UK. Nobilis and Colombovac are both dead vaccines and their correct use can't give the birds Paramyxo. Their leaflets are quite clear - do not use on unhealthy pigeons, do not mix with another veterinary medical product, and a SINGLE dose (0.25ml and 0.20 ml respectively) provides immunity for ONE Year. Following vaccination avoid contact with birds from OTHER lofts for at least 14 days.

 

These are the manufacturers' instructions and this is what your race sheet tells you you MUST follow. If you don't, then you haven't followed your Union's instructions or the Manufacturers' and your birds are considered NOT to have been vaccinated. NOT vaccinated means not only you don't get to race, but the DEFRA General Race Licence that lets us all race subject to certain conditions being met (including vaccinated for Paramyxo in accordance with Manufacturers' instructions) risks being revoked and if that happens nobody in the UK gets to race.