Ets Timing & Location Of Pads / Sensors At Loft

[Guest bigda]

That is the stepping point, you with the clock ,has to get the rubber no matter where the bird ends up.but can only use a named clock. Why not have one pad allowed and you take yer bird to the one named pad if yer pad fails you use a Stb or T 3. Backup no multi pads bigda here for the under dog

[Novice]

Sometimes I struggle with English interpretation but I thought this thread was actually about the SNFC reminding members that they must comply with SHU legislation and my take on this was that the ETS installation may be checked.

It seems to me that they could be forewarning members that this could happen!

[walterboswell59]

danny thats there choice to time there birds that way m8 the people who are doing the moaning about ets are not the guys that cant afford it its the guys that just dont want to use it that are trying to impose there will on people who have it a second hand ets can be purchased for the same price as a new clock and most clubs got grants to get there members ets as a boy i paid body and ridewood ten shillings a month off a paper run to buy my first stb clock because i new i needed a good timing system if i wanted to be up with the winners so i saved up and got one the oap or unemployed have the same choice if fanciers dont want to use it thats fine but dont try to tell others how they should be using it there is no poor doo men now danny cause if they were that poor they would not have doos in the first place if you cant beat them join them simples

[geordie1234]

Nominating a pad won't work I know someone wae 13 pads. His choice

[Guest johnhunter]

danny thats there choice to time there birds that way m8 the people who are doing the moaning about ets are not the guys that cant afford it its the guys that just dont want to use it that are trying to impose there will on people who have it a second hand ets can be purchased for the same price as a new clock and most clubs got grants to get there members ets as a boy i paid body and ridewood ten shillings a month off a paper run to buy my first stb clock because i new i needed a good timing system if i wanted to be up with the winners so i saved up and got one the oap or unemployed have the same choice if fanciers dont want to use it thats fine but dont try to tell others how they should be using it there is no poor doo men now danny cause if they were that poor they would not have doos in the first place if you cant beat them join them simples

how are you fixed for a tap wattie

[walterboswell59]

how are you fixed for a tap wattie

no problem pal im loaded lol

[hotrod]

I've always said pads should be inside the loft , or bobs ,mines are fitted to underside of floor of hand made sputniks the birds land on small board and drop through holes into trap and land on the floor of trap thus clocking in . If it were fitted to under side of landing board then as soon as bird lands its clocked in ,it's a no no for me and breaking rules and is disgraceful ,can't get this ,if you disqualify me I will take you to court ,this is bully boy tactics , in any club race you must have rules and these rule must be adhered to . End of .

[Guest johnhunter]

I've always said pads should be inside the loft , or bobs ,mines are fitted to underside of floor of hand made sputniks the birds land on small board and drop through holes into trap and land on the floor of trap thus clocking in . If it were fitted to under side of landing board then as soon as bird lands its clocked in ,it's a no no for me and breaking rules and is disgraceful ,can't get this ,if you disqualify me I will take you to court ,this is bully boy tactics , in any club race you must have rules and these rule must be adhered to . End of .

spot on hotrod

[bullcock]

I can't believe some are entertaining most of this cr@p, the ets system has been in place for about 15 years and we don't need to reinvent the wheel, too much gas bagging, everything for or against ets has been beat into the ground years ago.

[JohnQuinn]

The rule is NOT open to interpretation. The pad Must be inside the loft and that's it. No mention of confined, captured or otherwise and if the rule does Not specifically say confined (captured would not be a term used) then the bird is free to come and go from its loft after timing in.

Like I said I was on the rules committee when the rule was written and as long as the pad is beyond the threshold you have nothing to fear from being visited by officials, if it's no properly situated ye can scream court aw ye like, rules apply to everything in life and if ye don't follow them then you take the consequences of your OWN actions and nae court will support ye in yer arguement.

[Delboy]

The rule is NOT open to interpretation. The pad Must be inside the loft and that's it. No mention of confined, captured or otherwise and if the rule does Not specifically say confined (captured would not be a term used) then the bird is free to come and go from its loft after timing in.

Like I said I was on the rules committee when the rule was written and as long as the pad is beyond the threshold you have nothing to fear from being visited by officials, if it's no properly situated ye can scream court aw ye like, rules apply to everything in life and if ye don't follow them then you take the consequences of your OWN actions and nae court will support ye in yer arguement.

 

Don't kid yersel John, in the past,if somebody threatened a law suit the SHU and SNFC would sh ite themselves, can you not remember Gibson dictating everything even though everybody knew what he was up to. He threatened the SNFC and SHU with legal action to stop the investigation AND THEY FOLDED LIKE SPINELESS .....I agree the pad should deffo be behind the threshold of the loft but some specific ETS traps do not entirely allow for this and this is where the problems arise. eg.A sputnik is in front of the loft and to some, not behind the threshold of the loft.I don't see a problem with these traps but I don't know if everyone would think the same, hence me saying earlier that this topic is a can of worms.

[bullcock]

Don't kid yersel John, in the past,if somebody threatened a law suit the SHU and SNFC would sh ite themselves, can you not remember Gibson dictating everything even though everybody knew what he was up to. He threatened the SNFC and SHU with legal action to stop the investigation AND THEY FOLDED LIKE SPINELESS .....I agree the pad should deffo be behind the threshold of the loft but some specific ETS traps do not entirely allow for this and this is where the problems arise. eg.A sputnik is in front of the loft and to some, not behind the threshold of the loft.I don't see a problem with these traps but I don't know if everyone would think the same, hence me saying earlier that this topic is a can of worms.

If you recorded your arrival on the sputnik landing board this would be outside the loft, but when the birds drops into the veranda area it has entered the loft no ifs or buts, the sputnik is part of the loft just like a veranda.

[blue pied]

What a load of balls, see if yer doos are not home, ye could have the pad on yer heed , still no gonny clock anything! Once that pigeon hits the board its home in my opinion

[mosslands1]

ive got my ETS attached to a drone iam trying to perfect it so I can meet them on route lol

[billt]

If you recorded your arrival on the sputnik landing board this would be outside the loft, but when the birds drops into the veranda area it has entered the loft no ifs or buts, the sputnik is part of the loft just like a veranda.

 

100% correct, The term the loft would always include the trapping system whatever shape or form people wish to use, in theory a loft could be 6ft. square and the trap 20ft. square, there has never been stipulation on sizes or shapes of lofts they certainly don't have to be square or rectangular and everything fitted inside these areas.

[scott mca]

PLEASE NOTE: W e manufacture all our ETS traps with the bob wires to the REAR of the trap and have the housing for the antenna pad (s) under the walkway so that when the trap ( which is part of the loft) is closed pigeons cannot be timed after racing. This complies with the current rule 241 of the Royal Pigeon Racing Association rule book which states:

 

The positioning of the ETS sensors / antennae will not be allowed on any landing boards or other external surfaces in such a way that when the loft is closed no electroninc chip ring may be recorded by the Electronic Timing System installed.

 

Please note:

 

For Welsh fanciers racing under Welsh Homing Union rules (which state that the racing pigeon has to be confined within the loft before being timed ) our traps can be made with the bob wires to the FRONT of the trap.

 

This allows the pigeon to enter the loft through the bob wires and is then timed in.

 

 

RV Woodcraft ETS Traps that i have Bob wires at back so whats right ????

[William Reid]

ive got my ETS attached to a drone iam trying to perfect it so I can meet them on route lol

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[Delboy]

If you recorded your arrival on the sputnik landing board this would be outside the loft, but when the birds drops into the veranda area it has entered the loft no ifs or buts, the sputnik is part of the loft just like a veranda.

 

I agree, im just highlighting what sh ite is being said.

 

What a load of balls, see if yer doos are not home, ye could have the pad on yer heed , still no gonny clock anything! Once that pigeon hits the board its home in my opinion

 

yip, lol

[billt]

PLEASE NOTE: W e manufacture all our ETS traps with the bob wires to the REAR of the trap and have the housing for the antenna pad (s) under the walkway so that when the trap ( which is part of the loft) is closed pigeons cannot be timed after racing. This complies with the current rule 241 of the Royal Pigeon Racing Association rule book which states:

 

The positioning of the ETS sensors / antennae will not be allowed on any landing boards or other external surfaces in such a way that when the loft is closed no electroninc chip ring may be recorded by the Electronic Timing System installed.

 

Please note:

 

For Welsh fanciers racing under Welsh Homing Union rules (which state that the racing pigeon has to be confined within the loft before being timed ) our traps can be made with the bob wires to the FRONT of the trap.

 

This allows the pigeon to enter the loft through the bob wires and is then timed in.

 

 

RV Woodcraft ETS Traps that i have Bob wires at back so whats right ????

Scott, I think when the RPRA say a closed loft they are referring to anything outside of bob wires, your traps are an entrance to a trap and if you time before bobs they are not trapped, I think the Welsh wording on this is much the better regarding fairness to those on clocks

[Guest bigda]

danny thats there choice to time there birds that way m8 the people who are doing the moaning about ets are not the guys that cant afford it its the guys that just dont want to use it that are trying to impose there will on people who have it a second hand ets can be purchased for the same price as a new clock and most clubs got grants to get there members ets as a boy i paid body and ridewood ten shillings a month off a paper run to buy my first stb clock because i new i needed a good timing system if i wanted to be up with the winners so i saved up and got one the oap or unemployed have the same choice if fanciers dont want to use it thats fine but dont try to tell others how they should be using it there is no poor doo men now danny cause if they were that poor they would not have doos in the first place if you cant beat them join them simples

[/quotea]

Yes Walter telling people what to do but as far as I can remember the

ets was never apoved with the federation. Members. It. Was. Used yes. Without it ever being passed and and that all came about one Friday night in viewpark

[andy Burgess]

ive got my ETS attached to a drone iam trying to perfect it so I can meet them on route lol

 

 

can just see you in the conservatory now

[walterboswell59]

danny thats there choice to time there birds that way m8 the people who are doing the moaning about ets are not the guys that cant afford it its the guys that just dont want to use it that are trying to impose there will on people who have it a second hand ets can be purchased for the same price as a new clock and most clubs got grants to get there members ets as a boy i paid body and ridewood ten shillings a month off a paper run to buy my first stb clock because i new i needed a good timing system if i wanted to be up with the winners so i saved up and got one the oap or unemployed have the same choice if fanciers dont want to use it thats fine but dont try to tell others how they should be using it there is no poor doo men now danny cause if they were that poor they would not have doos in the first place if you cant beat them join them simples

[/quotea]

Yes Walter telling people what to do but as far as I can remember the

ets was never apoved with the federation. Members. It. Was. Used yes. Without it ever being passed and and that all came about one Friday night in viewpark

yes it was dan the first season it could not be used in open or fed pool races but was passed for use in all races the following year because it was passed for use by shu and the fed and snfc were told they had no right to refuse fanciers from using it

[peter pandy]

I have Petron traps and they are fitted with the bob wires on the inside of the walkway. Enquiring to Petron all thase years ago if this was legal they replied that once the landing board was in the up position then all was inside the loft. For my own personal feeling I have the entire Petron trap inside the loft veranda with only the landing board protruding from outside. I also noticed after all was fitted that birds entering the walkway could turn and come back out so I fitted inserts into the sides of the walkway to stop them turning. I have on occasion as soon as the bird has entered the walkway put the landing board up and the entire loft is closed. As far as I am concerned the Bob wires on the inside are there to stop any bird inside from getting out. Personally as far as I am concerned when a bird hits the loft it is home..

[Delboy]

I have Petron traps and they are fitted with the bob wires on the inside of the walkway. Enquiring to Petron all thase years ago if this was legal they replied that once the landing board was in the up position then all was inside the loft. For my own personal feeling I have the entire Petron trap inside the loft veranda with only the landing board protruding from outside. I also noticed after all was fitted that birds entering the walkway could turn and come back out so I fitted inserts into the sides of the walkway to stop them turning. I have on occasion as soon as the bird has entered the walkway put the landing board up and the entire loft is closed. As far as I am concerned the Bob wires on the inside are there to stop any bird inside from getting out. Personally as far as I am concerned when a bird hits the loft it is home..

 

[Walter swanston]

Absolutely correct, when a bird hits the loft it's home.Interestingly these controversies are always started by the users of conventional timing clocks and seldom by ETS users.