dal2 Posted January 3, 2015 Report Share Posted January 3, 2015 Don't get that one Steven ,IMHO less chance of a dog leg racing from easterly race points . And I am in the west .Are you convinced the bitds cross im a straight line over the channel? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Novice Posted January 3, 2015 Report Share Posted January 3, 2015 Don't get that one Steven ,IMHO less chance of a dog leg racing from easterly race points . And I am in the west . stuart I am not following your logic. I watched all my birds return from Ypres last year. I timed the first 5 and all had section positions. They homed from the direction of Glasgow which suggests that they not only returned via the east side of the pennines but probably went up as far as Edinburgh before turning. I believe the wind was westerly at liberation but given an easterly race point and a westerly wind we in the west can forget open positions unless we happen to have an exceptional pigeon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew suckle Posted January 3, 2015 Report Share Posted January 3, 2015 steavey the best chance of him win a nat would be the birds comeing right up the m74 ? in fact i dont think he is a member of the snfc ? might be wrong but dont thinksoI am a member have been from a started the doos and it wid be good if the doos came up the 74 but not many do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiger Posted January 3, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 3, 2015 I am a member have been from a started the doos and it wid be good if the doos came up the 74 but not many do and why would that be ? if you get a bird with solway birds you can beat it but get them coming of the east you have little chance just ask some of ur older fanciers ie wee cozzy watty kerr they will tell you ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yeboah Posted January 3, 2015 Report Share Posted January 3, 2015 George Manns National winner along with another 5 others raced straight past my loft on their racing line prior to me clocking 574 to be 4th open also came direct South Have spoken many times to Jock Alston and his Renstrie Reward 2nd Open came past direct on lineGareth's great hen Murcia dropped in exhausted and perhaps having been targeted by a raptor so agonisingly close to her gold award But direct on line to Win West and solway birds to win at national must come direct George Firth s Youngbird winner was the only one that broke and came correct side of Pennines early on all others went with the drag and then worked back across if they are not on line we are only racing for the scraps jmho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiger Posted January 3, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 3, 2015 George Manns National winner along with another 5 others raced straight past my loft on their racing line prior to me clocking 574 to be 4th open also came direct South Have spoken many times to Jock Alston and his Renstrie Reward 2nd Open came past direct on lineGareth's great hen Murcia dropped in exhausted and perhaps having been targeted by a raptor so agonisingly close to her gold award But direct on line to Win West and solway birds to win at national must come direct George Firth s Youngbird winner was the only one that broke and came correct side of Pennines early on all others went with the drag and then worked back across if they are not on line we are only racing for the scraps jmho :emoticon-0137-clapping: :emoticon-0137-clapping: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henrik Posted January 3, 2015 Report Share Posted January 3, 2015 Wont be going to the Meeting this year and also standing down from the Committee, feel like I,ve done my turn so time for some others to have a shot, I,m going to enjoy my doos instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dal2 Posted January 3, 2015 Report Share Posted January 3, 2015 Wont be going to the Meeting this year and also standing down from the Committee, feel like I,ve done my turn so time for some others to have a shot, I,m going to enjoy my doos instead.Well done fella Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clockman Posted January 3, 2015 Report Share Posted January 3, 2015 Wont be going to the Meeting this year and also standing down from the Committee, feel like I,ve done my turn so time for some others to have a shot, I,m going to enjoy my doos instead. You can come on here and moan like the rest of them, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkj Posted January 3, 2015 Report Share Posted January 3, 2015 Wont be going to the Meeting this year and also standing down from the Committee, feel like I,ve done my turn so time for some others to have a shot, I,m going to enjoy my doos instead. well done bobby. lot of hard work done. and no thanks. enjoy your break Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy Burgess Posted January 3, 2015 Report Share Posted January 3, 2015 Wont be going to the Meeting this year and also standing down from the Committee, feel like I,ve done my turn so time for some others to have a shot, I,m going to enjoy my doos instead. well done , good luck for the new season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew suckle Posted January 3, 2015 Report Share Posted January 3, 2015 George Manns National winner along with another 5 others raced straight past my loft on their racing line prior to me clocking 574 to be 4th open also came direct South Have spoken many times to Jock Alston and his Renstrie Reward 2nd Open came past direct on lineGareth's great hen Murcia dropped in exhausted and perhaps having been targeted by a raptor so agonisingly close to her gold award But direct on line to Win West and solway birds to win at national must come direct George Firth s Youngbird winner was the only one that broke and came correct side of Pennines early on all others went with the drag and then worked back across if they are not on line we are only racing for the scraps jmhoAs a said some come down the 74 but not very many Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
We man Posted January 3, 2015 Report Share Posted January 3, 2015 stuart I am not following your logic. I watched all my birds return from Ypres last year. I timed the first 5 and all had section positions. They homed from the direction of Glasgow which suggests that they not only returned via the east side of the pennines but probably went up as far as Edinburgh before turning. I believe the wind was westerly at liberation but given an easterly race point and a westerly wind we in the west can forget open positions unless we happen to have an exceptional pigeon.Agree 100%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
We man Posted January 3, 2015 Report Share Posted January 3, 2015 George Manns National winner along with another 5 others raced straight past my loft on their racing line prior to me clocking 574 to be 4th open also came direct South Have spoken many times to Jock Alston and his Renstrie Reward 2nd Open came past direct on lineGareth's great hen Murcia dropped in exhausted and perhaps having been targeted by a raptor so agonisingly close to her gold award But direct on line to Win West and solway birds to win at national must come direct George Firth s Youngbird winner was the only one that broke and came correct side of Pennines early on all others went with the drag and then worked back across if they are not on line we are only racing for the scraps jmhoMust agree,not on line says it all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotrod Posted January 3, 2015 Report Share Posted January 3, 2015 stuart I am not following your logic. I watched all my birds return from Ypres last year. I timed the first 5 and all had section positions. They homed from the direction of Glasgow which suggests that they not only returned via the east side of the pennines but probably went up as far as Edinburgh before turning. I believe the wind was westerly at liberation but given an easterly race point and a westerly wind we in the west can forget open positions unless we happen to have an exceptional pigeon.If the race was from say sartilly they would still have returned from the east only problem is you would have been further behind the east winners Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotrod Posted January 3, 2015 Report Share Posted January 3, 2015 I've raced pigeons since 1979 and I have only ever had birds direct out the south once or twice in that time , winning the club fed section in the nationals every pigeon have returned from either the east or most times the north east even when we raced down the west of the Pennines .unless I stay in a different planet from the rest of you . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dal2 Posted January 3, 2015 Report Share Posted January 3, 2015 I've raced pigeons since 1979 and I have only ever had birds direct out the south once or twice in that time , winning the club fed section in the nationals every pigeon have returned from either the east or most times the north east even when we raced down the west of the Pennines .unless I stay in a different planet from the rest of you .So did yer snrpc winner return from the south mate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotrod Posted January 3, 2015 Report Share Posted January 3, 2015 So did yer snrpc winner return from the south mateYou know the story mate I wasn't at the loft ,I was away training birds for the following race . Steven I never get birds out the south never trust me ,mines have always come from the east . Always right down the Clyde.even blow homes when they are high up east to west . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Novice Posted January 4, 2015 Report Share Posted January 4, 2015 You know the story mate I wasn't at the loft ,I was away training birds for the following race . Steven I never get birds out the south never trust me ,mines have always come from the east . Always right down the Clyde.even blow homes when they are high up east to west . No one can ever prove or disprove it but I would bet that Karen's Girl took the shortest route home. Her performance was so good that she could not have taken anything other than a direct route. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Novice Posted January 4, 2015 Report Share Posted January 4, 2015 If the race was from say sartilly they would still have returned from the east only problem is you would have been further behind the east winners I'm still not following your logic stuart. we are measured on a straight line from a to b. If geography means that some birds can fly on a straight line while others must fly on an indirect line then those flying further than the measured distance must be at a disadvantage. Winning pigeon races is not always about which bird flies fastest it's about which bird takes the most direct route home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotrod Posted January 4, 2015 Report Share Posted January 4, 2015 I'm still not following your logic stuart. we are measured on a straight line from a to b. If geography means that some birds can fly on a straight line while others must fly on an indirect line then those flying further than the measured distance must be at a disadvantage. Winning pigeon races is not always about which bird flies fastest it's about which bird takes the most direct route home.I will sit down with you one day robert and show you on a map my logic. No one can ever prove or disprove it but I would bet that Karen's Girl took the shortest route home. Her performance was so good that she could not have taken anything other than a direct route.It would have been very hard robert it was a gale force west wind that day , think she just flew well on into the night and got well ahead. That's my honest opinion . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkj Posted January 4, 2015 Report Share Posted January 4, 2015 I'm still not following your logic stuart. we are measured on a straight line from a to b. If geography means that some birds can fly on a straight line while others must fly on an indirect line then those flying further than the measured distance must be at a disadvantage. Winning pigeon races is not always about which bird flies fastest it's about which bird takes the most direct route home. Absolutely spot on there. the most direct route home. thats the way the winners always come that are well in the results. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyleakin Lofts Posted January 4, 2015 Report Share Posted January 4, 2015 I bow to superior knowledge, but early on I learned from Morris Bros that pigeons fly round hills etc. Where Stuart lives, on a direct race route from the south he is blocked by hills, so his pigeons would have to come from the East, if my earlier information was correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiger Posted January 4, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2015 I bow to superior knowledge, but early on I learned from Morris Bros that pigeons fly round hills etc. Where Stuart lives, on a direct race route from the south he is blocked by hills, so his pigeons would have to come from the East, if my earlier information was correct. when he win the nat it it came up the middle the winners dont dogleg and thinking they come up the east thats the followers the winners come direct , jmo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyleakin Lofts Posted January 4, 2015 Report Share Posted January 4, 2015 when he win the nat it it came up the middle the winners dont dogleg and thinking they come up the east thats the followers the winners come direct , jmo Very likely it did, but I would say that Stuart's pigeons always come from the East or North east given his geographical position, just as he stated. What they did prior to reaching that point nobody knows for sure, except through judgement and experience from being in a position to know where their best pigeons arrive from.I would think that the more easterly the race-point, the better it is for western fanciers irrespective of wind direction, under the premise that if the pigeons cross around Calais, then they are all travelling further than measured. Eastern race-points measure fairer for western lofts for this point only. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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