tiger Posted January 4, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2015 morris bros dont have a problem getting them its about getting them right and a wee bit of luck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
We man Posted January 4, 2015 Report Share Posted January 4, 2015 I bow to superior knowledge, but early on I learned from Morris Bros that pigeons fly round hills etc. Where Stuart lives, on a direct race route from the south he is blocked by hills, so his pigeons would have to come from the East, if my earlier information was correct. Andy,for many years I am happy to say I have been at the lofts of D Mckinlay of Largs and watched his birds arrive from SNFC races and can assure you they are dots in the sky coming from the south,he has around 30 national tickets and would think that's one of the reasons why,they have no need to go round hills they are above them,as for superior knowledge would say that's what the birds have not us.only my opinion though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiger Posted January 4, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2015 Andy,for many years I am happy to say I have been at the lofts of D Mckinlay of Largs and watched his birds arrive from SNFC races and can assure you they are dots in the sky coming from the south,he has around 30 national tickets and would think that's one of the reasons why,they have no need to go round hills they are above them,as for superior knowledge would say that's what the birds have not us.only my opinion though. :emoticon-0137-clapping: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullcock Posted January 4, 2015 Report Share Posted January 4, 2015 As Stuart said earlier, 99% of all the birds we have ever raced have homed from the East or North East, but what route they take to get their is a mystery and we can all have our theories on that, our fed races from Dunbar North East of us then South down the East Side. What I will say about the line they follow is if you take the SNFC Young Bird National as an example every year no matter the wind you could plot on a map all the early arrivals and it won't change, South East up to Dunbar into Tranent, Broxburn (Fife and then the North) then the West New Mains, Airdire,Hamilton, then Glasgow, Renfrewshire Ayrshire.( the Solway would get them after the south East most of the time) From this I would say the Bulk of the birds home up the East and turn into the West from the Edinburgh Area.But Yes a good early one will have probable flown a more direct route, even though all my National timers have homed from the East / North East. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dal2 Posted January 4, 2015 Report Share Posted January 4, 2015 As Stuart said earlier, 99% of all the birds we have ever raced have homed from the East or North East, but what route they take to get their is a mystery and we can all have our theories on that, our fed races from Dunbar North East of us then South down the East Side. What I will say about the line they follow is if you take the SNFC Young Bird National as an example every year no matter the wind you could plot on a map all the early arrivals and it won't change, South East up to Dunbar into Tranent, Broxburn (Fife and then the North) then the West New Mains, Airdire,Hamilton, then Glasgow, Renfrewshire Ayrshire.( the Solway would get them after the south East most of the time) From this I would say the Bulk of the birds home up the East and turn into the West from the Edinburgh Area.But Yes a good early one will have probable flown a more direct route, even though all my National timers have homed from the East / North East.So if we raced from, let's say rennes, the birds would head up the east side of the pennines then turn into Ayrshire somewhere??? Surely not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullcock Posted January 4, 2015 Report Share Posted January 4, 2015 So if we raced from, let's say rennes, the birds would head up the east side of the pennines then turn into Ayrshire somewhere??? Surely not?Renfrewshire and Aryshire raced down the West for years and 99% of the time ours birds homed from the East. Even if they do come up the 74, they would still home East to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
We man Posted January 4, 2015 Report Share Posted January 4, 2015 As Stuart said earlier, 99% of all the birds we have ever raced have homed from the East or North East, but what route they take to get their is a mystery and we can all have our theories on that, our fed races from Dunbar North East of us then South down the East Side. What I will say about the line they follow is if you take the SNFC Young Bird National as an example every year no matter the wind you could plot on a map all the early arrivals and it won't change, South East up to Dunbar into Tranent, Broxburn (Fife and then the North) then the West New Mains, Airdire,Hamilton, then Glasgow, Renfrewshire Ayrshire.( the Solway would get them after the south East most of the time) From this I would say the Bulk of the birds home up the East and turn into the West from the Edinburgh Area.But Yes a good early one will have probable flown a more direct route, even though all my National timers have homed from the East / North East.Yes great results for you boys but would like your opinion on this,do you think birds trained and raced from ybs onwards on an easterly route would be the reason they are coming from the east on race days? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullcock Posted January 4, 2015 Report Share Posted January 4, 2015 Yes great results for you boys but would like your opinion on this,do you think birds trained and raced from ybs onwards on an easterly route would be the reason they are coming from the east on race days?We raced the West route for years and the birds still homed from the East / North EastWe sometimes see Ayrshire birds heading west from the East on a Satuarday.so they have flown well North of home and now dog legging back into Ayrshire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dal2 Posted January 4, 2015 Report Share Posted January 4, 2015 We raced the West route for years and the birds still homed from the East / North EastWe sometimes see Ayrshire birds heading west from the East on a Satuarday.so they have flown well North of home and now dog legging back into Ayrshire.God knows wot they are up to. I watched the Ayrshire pigeons coming over Ecclefechan lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
We man Posted January 4, 2015 Report Share Posted January 4, 2015 God knows wot they are up to. I watched the Ayrshire pigeons coming over Ecclefechan lolYou need to tell your wee daughter to stop kicking the ball to high on race days,now I know why they are going east.lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moscow master Posted January 4, 2015 Report Share Posted January 4, 2015 east vs west again ive heard some wahoo in recent times of the renfrew and ayrshire doos going as far as dundee before turning hahahahahah what a lot of mince why is it in strong east winds you can count on one hand birds that used it to their advantage yet when its strong west winds the east as far as the north section pile them in simple gid birds this year the solway boys had a great season with the national yet were only an hours fly north but were three and four hours behind them just not got the doos for the job simlpe as that imo theres been races won in the east in recent years when the cental and west should of cuffed them due to the wind but failed again i personally think its the calibre of bird but i might be wrong its definetly not the terrain thats P*** talk atb for 2015 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walterboswell59 Posted January 4, 2015 Report Share Posted January 4, 2015 Yes great results for you boys but would like your opinion on this,do you think birds trained and raced from ybs onwards on an easterly route would be the reason they are coming from the east on race days?thats a deff yes for me jake if you train yb from the east they come from the east all there racing life i see it in club and fed racing never mined national races i want my birds to fight for the middle route if they dont there beat so training them east is a no no for me m8 dont mined an odd toss with old birds but my yb must train down the middle watch the east and centre sections dominate the lanarkshire fed this year unless we get another year of east winds jmo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
We man Posted January 4, 2015 Report Share Posted January 4, 2015 thats a deff yes for me jake if you train yb from the east they come from the east all there racing life i see it in club and fed racing never mined national races i want my birds to fight for the middle route if they dont there beat so training them east is a no no for me m8 dont mined an odd toss with old birds but my yb must train down the middle watch the east and centre sections dominate the lanarkshire fed this year unless we get another year of east winds jmoCheers Walter,got to be the shortest route possible from a to b,and a good example was Rickey Youngs national winner straight up that road to Ayrshire job done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walterboswell59 Posted January 4, 2015 Report Share Posted January 4, 2015 must say wind direction plays a very big part in open positions jake but it works both ways east section birds have to put up a great performance in east winds and west section birds have to put up great performance in a west wind to get good open positions great pigeons and fanciers in all sections imo but the wind will determine the open winner 99 times out of 100 but its an argument no one can win because untill we put trackers on the birds the way the birds come is all guess work wonder why its never been done at snfc races or others for that matter it would solve the east v west argument in one go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullcock Posted January 4, 2015 Report Share Posted January 4, 2015 east vs west again ive heard some wahoo in recent times of the renfrew and ayrshire doos going as far as dundee before turning hahahahahah what a lot of mince why is it in strong east winds you can count on one hand birds that used it to their advantage yet when its strong west winds the east as far as the north section pile them in simple gid birds this year the solway boys had a great season with the national yet were only an hours fly north but were three and four hours behind them just not got the doos for the job simlpe as that imo theres been races won in the east in recent years when the cental and west should of cuffed them due to the wind but failed again i personally think its the calibre of bird but i might be wrong its definetly not the terrain thats P*** talk atb for 2015Totally agree the East is full of super doos and the whole of the West is full of crap doos, :emoticon-0127-lipssealed: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Davie Posted January 4, 2015 Report Share Posted January 4, 2015 east vs west again ive heard some wahoo in recent times of the renfrew and ayrshire doos going as far as dundee before turning hahahahahah what a lot of mince why is it in strong east winds you can count on one hand birds that used it to their advantage yet when its strong west winds the east as far as the north section pile them in simple gid birds this year the solway boys had a great season with the national yet were only an hours fly north but were three and four hours behind them just not got the doos for the job simlpe as that imo theres been races won in the east in recent years when the cental and west should of cuffed them due to the wind but failed again i personally think its the calibre of bird but i might be wrong its definetly not the terrain thats P*** talk atb for 2015 Totally agree the East is full of super doos and the whole of the West is full of crap doos, :emoticon-0127-lipssealed:Bullcock , have to support you on that quote !!! But you forgot mention the west is also full of crap fanciers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Novice Posted January 4, 2015 Report Share Posted January 4, 2015 I will sit down with you one day robert and show you on a map my logic. It would have been very hard robert it was a gale force west wind that day , think she just flew well on into the night and got well ahead. That's my honest opinion . I look forward to that Stuart with a Latte of course! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotrod Posted January 4, 2015 Report Share Posted January 4, 2015 I look forward to that Stuart with a Latte of course!No probs mate ,have you a good map or will I bring one ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotrod Posted January 4, 2015 Report Share Posted January 4, 2015 Back to snfc stuff . Has no one else have anything to say about race marking . I remember being asked to do a table in airdrie years ago it was an honour and a privilege to do it ,now well any one that wants to do it can and some couldn't handle a pigeon correctly if they were paid For it. I would like it to get back to the way it was and be the top club in Britain again . From the way the AGM is run to the way the committee members are asked , you used to have to be proposed and seconded to be a committee member ,now they co opt fanciers onto the committee . Wrong wrong wrong .jmho . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stb- Posted January 4, 2015 Report Share Posted January 4, 2015 Back to snfc stuff . Has no one else have anything to say about race marking . I remember being asked to do a table in airdrie years ago it was an honour and a privilege to do it ,now well any one that wants to do it can and some couldn't handle a pigeon correctly if they were paid For it. I would like it to get back to the way it was and be the top club in Britain again . From the way the AGM is run to the way the committee members are asked , you used to have to be proposed and seconded to be a committee member ,now they co opt fanciers onto the committee . Wrong wrong wrong .jmho .There no exactly a que of volunteers for anything nowadays quite a few decline the posts now . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dal2 Posted January 4, 2015 Report Share Posted January 4, 2015 Back to snfc stuff . Has no one else have anything to say about race marking . I remember being asked to do a table in airdrie years ago it was an honour and a privilege to do it ,now well any one that wants to do it can and some couldn't handle a pigeon correctly if they were paid For it. I would like it to get back to the way it was and be the top club in Britain again . From the way the AGM is run to the way the committee members are asked , you used to have to be proposed and seconded to be a committee member ,now they co opt fanciers onto the committee . Wrong wrong wrong .jmho . I always help with the marking at Gretna, partly cos I am the only person in the Solway fed that can work a tauris ets, The leader of the station always seems to have a prob getting folk to help. I have a few issues with the setup cos it aint big enuff and standin outside in the pissing rain with wet doos that you have spent all year setting up isnt great. BUT I am not in a position to run it or be on a committee or etc etc so I dont complain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clockman Posted January 4, 2015 Report Share Posted January 4, 2015 There no exactly a que of volunteers for anything nowadays quite a few decline the posts now . Thats true Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotrod Posted January 4, 2015 Report Share Posted January 4, 2015 There no exactly a que of volunteers for anything nowadays quite a few decline the posts now .Why is that robert ? It was an honour to be on the SNFC committee .and the SNRPC . Thats trueThink it was the convenor that used to asked fanciers to help out long before the date George . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stb- Posted January 4, 2015 Report Share Posted January 4, 2015 Why is that robert ? It was an honour to be on the SNFC committee .and the SNRPC . Think it was the convenor that used to asked fanciers to help out long before the date George .dont know Stut folk dont like being tied to things nowadays , i wasnt at the snfc meeting last year but the year before there was a few nominated and declined the positions . I think it was lef to committee to add folk for the vacancies . I dont mind helping out at any marking if needed and would help marking or moving basketts etc at uddingston for a few hours when up with birds . Did offer at new place but was told they had plenty workers which is fair enough . If i had to go on a commitee to mark birds etc i wouldnt be marking any then lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotrod Posted January 4, 2015 Report Share Posted January 4, 2015 dont know Stut folk dont like being tied to things nowadays , i wasnt at the snfc meeting last year but the year before there was a few nominated and declined the positions . I think it was lef to committee to add folk for the vacancies . I dont mind helping out at any marking if needed and would help marking or moving basketts etc at uddingston for a few hours when up with birds . Did offer at new place but was told they had plenty workers which is fair enough . If i had to go on a commitee to mark birds etc i wouldnt be marking any then lolI used to take either a day or half day off work to do marking and stayed to load transporter , getting home sometimes in the dark . As I said it used to be an honour why not now ? Must be an answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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