Young Bird Racing

[yeboah]

Interesting post Mike. I wonder if they were wearing Ayrshire rings?

There will always be multiple reasons for poor racing but there is no doubt that, especially at this time of year, the peregrine falcon is a major contributor.

There are fanciers also racing birds which are ill and birds which are poorly trained and have no idea how to find water in the basket.

Unfortunately the virus which causes YBS seems to have no affect on the peregrine falcon.

 

A few years ago the word peregrine never featured much in my posts. Indeed, I struggled to spell it correctly. Now I have no problem with the spelling. I suppose practice makes perfect.

 

As far as the Solway race is concerned I heard that returns to the Dumfries area were poor and there were not many second day pigeons.

What a joke even talking about second day birds from 60 mile races.

I have 2 Ayrshire here one of them still outside with half a tail

[yeboah]

yes rab i got 12/22. i know something went through my pigeons as i had 4 injured. many people come on here and spout about how BOP is killing our game. Health of pigeons (mostly with Yb) is making yb racing so hard.

The 400 that were being chased here seemed healthy the speed they were flying

Got to agree health is a must

No birds allowed into our club hampers if they don't look right

[dal2]

Interesting post Mike. I wonder if they were wearing Ayrshire rings?

There will always be multiple reasons for poor racing but there is no doubt that, especially at this time of year, the peregrine falcon is a major contributor.

There are fanciers also racing birds which are ill and birds which are poorly trained and have no idea how to find water in the basket.

Unfortunately the virus which causes YBS seems to have no affect on the peregrine falcon.

 

A few years ago the word peregrine never featured much in my posts. Indeed, I struggled to spell it correctly. Now I have no problem with the spelling. I suppose practice makes perfect.

 

As far as the Solway race is concerned I heard that returns to the Dumfries area were poor and there were not many second day pigeons.

What a joke even talking about second day birds from 60 mile races.

30/30 had 26/30 after 2 hrs had one tocome this morning which was there when I got up

[philg50]

start yb racing in August or later you mean september????

If need be but seriously there wasnt imo any reason that the first race could not have been postponed as the heat wave was well warned of on the weather sites ,now dont get me wrong ,i didnt lose any ,i didnt put but in the interest of the birds and doo guys that were sick with there losses ,its not a case of we must have a race it can be put back or rearranged for later.

[grdkeith]

If need be but seriously there wasnt imo any reason that the first race could not have been postponed as the heat wave was well warned of on the weather sites ,now dont get me wrong ,i didnt lose any ,i didnt put but in the interest of the birds and doo guys that were sick with there losses ,its not a case of we must have a race it can be put back or rearranged for later.

so we start in september and finish when exactly ? first week november

[andyyy]

Our Fed, Stocksbridge And District Had a terrible race yesrerday From Kettering racing into Sheffield racing around 74miles to me. up at 8am Didn't get a bird until 9;54am my 2nd bird came at 10;13 them two birds finished 1st and 4th club. by 1 o'clock i had 5/30 this morning i have 11/30 with lots of people with the same sort of returns, One club in our fed sent 138 birds, Only two was timed. by all accounts yesterday was a disaster for racing but the question is why? Some say weather was to hot, Some say clashing and clearly some put it down to the birds not been right... Madness.

[KMCK]

I have 2 Ayrshire here one of them still outside with half a tail

Any ayrshire birds with 6800 to 6899 pm me I will come and pick them up as am 44 missing from the last two weeks racing down to the bear bones already but that's doo racing now

[Guest stb-]

yes rab i got 12/22. i know something went through my pigeons as i had 4 injured. many people come on here and spout about how BOP is killing our game. Health of pigeons (mostly with Yb) is making yb racing so hard.

yes health is another issue but 1 whole fed cant all be sick and with 90% losses the next fed to lib in the same area all healthy with 90% returns the difference between catastophic yb races and good young bird races from same area and same times is percie after a strike owt sick will deffo never get home but the healthy ones can be 100s miles away in wrong direction and wont make home either . I would say our birds or part of them got hit yesterday the way they were aso spoked on return and 3 of my own been hit and they wernt the late ones i think my 7th bird had half its wing out . What folk forget at this time of year is its not just one hunting its maw paw and the 4 bairns all having a go now so that 500% more out and about than there were a few months back .you only have to look at the posts on here to see the amount of strikes even around this area alone and the comments ,ie is any trailer training as its to risky to go on your own as gauranteed a percie strike every time

[geordie1234]

How was South Lanarkshires race from Kelso?

[philg50]

so we start in september and finish when exactly ? first week november

Because the fed has decided to start races 19th July ,it doesnt mean we have to come hell or high water race that day ,if weather is against giving the doos a good chance ,then you postpond thats what i am saying ,if it takes all August & September so be it.

[Dmurray]

How was South Lanarkshires race from Kelso?

 

Great race geo for coalburn members anyway af 42/43 with other members only 1 or 2 and some all home

[Walter swanston]

Cumbria and South Dumfriesshire. At this time of the year is absolutely infested with Peregrine Falcons as anybody who resides on this area will agree.If you train or race down here it is at your own risk and for once I know what I am talking about.

[hotrod]

Ayrshire youngster here last night 7329 .?

[Guest stb-]

Because the fed has decided to start races 19th July ,it doesnt mean we have to come hell or high water race that day ,if weather is against giving the doos a good chance ,then you postpond thats what i am saying ,if it takes all August & September so be it.

 

hi phil its nowt to do with heat m8 other feds racing the same distance and a lot further in the same temps with great returns , i dont know about this wqeek but last week was terrible weather when i was up in aberdeen on the sat and sunday and to be honest i wouldnt have trained 5 miles in it far less race ,

[moscow master]

your correct rab bops finally killing it off ayrshire has been splattered this past two weeks prob a about 1800 birds gone the problem at this time of the year is there hunting in 3/4s doos have no chance its actually getting to the cruelty stage now racing thses young birds imo the amount of people with countless birds in their lofts that had a strike is unbelieveable this is the sole killer of the doo game just need to look forward to training my latebreds

[Novice]

30/30 had 26/30 after 2 hrs had one tocome this morning which was there when I got up

 

That's good going Stevie. It just does not get much better than that. I had 2 reports of the Solway race one via Alastair Henderson to say a good race and one from a guy in Dumfries who reported a poor race. It's now loaded 2:1 in favour of a good race so I will go with that.

[grdkeith]

Because the fed has decided to start races 19th July ,it doesnt mean we have to come hell or high water race that day ,if weather is against giving the doos a good chance ,then you postpond thats what i am saying ,if it takes all August & September so be it.

 

that would be october as well then :emoticon-0179-headbang:

[gordi.b]

On the B.O.P issue watched countryfile this morning they were on about the rapidly declining tutrle dove , they blamed everything except b.o.p

[Guest bigda]

LANARKSHIRE make a mistake, in there choices of young bird racing IMO the birds should not be sent any further than Otterburn in 2014 IF WE DO WE WILL BE IN THE SAME POSITION AS AYRSHIRE FEDERATION find themselves in most years, the affect this will have on next years racing will be seen by all. why help the bop to survive the winter, when our own birds will not see it

Edited July 31, 2014 by bigda

[greenlands]

This has just been posted on another site by Greg Large.Any opinions please ?

 

"Often hear of extreme losses and experienced some myself in past seasons, but

I think very often youngsters have YBS and are suffering without it

been seen.

I have 2 sections, last week one lot started playing up, so kept them home

rested and fed light,no race last week for that section, sent the others.

 

Then this week the second section had a bad trainer, and I got suspicious.

I spoke to a few fanciers and decided to push them, and see if they show anything, and I got a bit

more suspicious when they were not listening as normal.

Just one or two not responding normally would pass it off as them having too much corn the night before.

Locked them down last night, and they look like never before, top condition,silk

pink of condition, lively. And theres the thing, at this point me just a year ago and

sure many many others would send them expecting big things from the race, BUT

they ill, and I know now big losses would follow, Regardless of how they look.

 

Its this deception that gets many, many fanciers. There are no symptoms at all.

Heres the subtle indications I saw, first on basketing for trainer in morning 3

of the 20 had a little corn in crops, not alarming subtle and surprised I noticed.

Not bulging crops but 3 grains or so.

Then the trainer they came scattered, compared with the other section, all made it home and

most weeks would think falcon struck em, but suspicions rose. Cleaned all perches,

went in at night with torch, no corn thrown up, but one oil green dropping. Sent training

yesterday to make up final decisions and dropped 2. Then I knew as I don't drop them training,they

had tens of communal trainers and not dropped 1 till yesterday. Had that not happened I would think they perfect.

In Hindsight the one oil green dropping should have been enough, and I would have saved loosing two for no fault of there own.

But I have had last year one getting Ecoli when the rest were perfect, and this was in the back of my mind.

 

It takes experience and observation to see they have the virus and there brains are not

functioning as they should. I am normally not observant at all, but little suspicions added

up.

Hope someone can take something from this post, You need to watch them very closely

and often when they look there absolute best, they could be very sick. This I think contributes

to many of the unexplained losses we hear of.

 

Old birds are different, they don't look like diamonds when they ill, they look sick and loose condition and shine very quickly."

 

ATB

 

Greg

[Novice]

There is a great deal of common sense in the post above from Greg Large and I am sure it is a contributing factor.

[yeboah]

Very good post Lindsay

Just had T

Of out to doos will reply with what I hope is interesting reply later

Atb Mick

[yeboah]

Lindsay

Replying to your post by Greg Large

First of all having kept the doos since 1970 I had never encountered YBS until a few years back with birds that were gifted to me , didn't no what I had at first and was still training them , was not sure what to do and got advice from a friend after a while they looked fine , I then entered them back into a race they were liberated into a very strong west wind from an easterly direction and went down like snow on a dyke

Obviously far from right lesson learned

I then gave my stock colostrum whilst they were sitting and rearing also the youngsters when spained for a few weeks and never had the sickness again

This year I did not give colostrum and noticed just as they were coming of the darkness them taking a wee backward step also the naturals as by this time they were running as one

They would exercise but not as they should they were lacking that sparkle

First sign droppings went from perfect to the odd small creamy dropping I knew then that they were coming down with the sickness

I have a large team went in next morning and one was very poorly picked it up and low and behold it was one I had purchased from a sale coincidence make up your own mind on that one ?

They then came down with the sickness but I had made contact with a friend whom I will not name on an open forum put the treatment in the water and within 60hrs no sickness should also say no food was given for first 48hrs

As they started to exercise again I was still far from happy so I sent samples to Belgica , all came back clear when they phoned me but did ask if I had encountered any health issues as there was a very high bacterial count

This was put down to the sickness and a treatment was prescribed

As per usual items were delivered within 24 hrs

However things had taken a turn the previous night as I study the birds very closely I noticed two birds pecking around the floor when I was feeding them looked like they wanted to eat but were unable to pick up the grains

I then knew immediately the problem and did not add the prescription to the water , instead I treated with parastop for 10 days then a course of minerals

Birds now leave the loft like greyhounds and race the sky's for hours if the falcon attacks like last night they are more than capable of out flying her they land for 30 minutes then when all is clear race the sky's once more

Perfect health

Yes as far as I am concerned Falcons still main problem but fanciers not spotting a problem rates up there also

Paratyphus salmonella ecoli big problem we haven't a clue what we are shifting from loft to loft

[blue pied]

Lindsay

Replying to your post by Greg Large

First of all having kept the doos since 1970 I had never encountered YBS until a few years back with birds that were gifted to me , didn't no what I had at first and was still training them , was not sure what to do and got advice from a friend after a while they looked fine , I then entered them back into a race they were liberated into a very strong west wind from an easterly direction and went down like snow on a dyke

Obviously far from right lesson learned

I then gave my stock colostrum whilst they were sitting and rearing also the youngsters when spained for a few weeks and never had the sickness again

This year I did not give colostrum and noticed just as they were coming of the darkness them taking a wee backward step also the naturals as by this time they were running as one

They would exercise but not as they should they were lacking that sparkle

First sign droppings went from perfect to the odd small creamy dropping I knew then that they were coming down with the sickness

I have a large team went in next morning and one was very poorly picked it up and low and behold it was one I had purchased from a sale coincidence make up your own mind on that one ?

They then came down with the sickness but I had made contact with a friend whom I will not name on an open forum put the treatment in the water and within 60hrs no sickness should also say no food was given for first 48hrs

As they started to exercise again I was still far from happy so I sent samples to Belgica , all came back clear when they phoned me but did ask if I had encountered any health issues as there was a very high bacterial count

This was put down to the sickness and a treatment was prescribed

As per usual items were delivered within 24 hrs

However things had taken a turn the previous night as I study the birds very closely I noticed two birds pecking around the floor when I was feeding them looked like they wanted to eat but were unable to pick up the grains

I then knew immediately the problem and did not add the prescription to the water , instead I treated with parastop for 10 days then a course of minerals

Birds now leave the loft like greyhounds and race the sky's for hours if the falcon attacks like last night they are more than capable of out flying her they land for 30 minutes then when all is clear race the sky's once more

Perfect health

Yes as far as I am concerned Falcons still main problem but fanciers not spotting a problem rates up there also

Paratyphus salmonella ecoli big problem we haven't a clue what we are shifting from loft to loft

good post mate

[hawked again]

Last week i had a young ane didnt come in with the rest when called it sat on the roof most of the day and it was very hot and dry atmosphere any way,when i did get it in and into its section it didnt no its *expletive removed* frae its elbow it did nt know where drinker was it didnt pick up feed,it was obviously dazed with dehydration ,it wasnt right until i stuck its head in drinker,IMO we shouldnt be racing in these wild tempratures ,start young bird racing in August later if need be ,the first race as i heard was a bit of a disaster and yesterday nae a lot better ,I havent put yet because of weather so will see what next weeks like.

 

I was at the same two races. First week I had 8/16 by clocking time. Last week 7/11 by clocking time. They all came out the same transporter and had to fly in the same temperature. Wouldn't like to move the racing any later.