To Race Them Or Not

[philg50]

I am just back into this game and all i have seen are old bird losses; young bird losses it has changed i think from 12 years ago so the question i have is 'do i need to race my young birds or can i train them thoroughly the year of there birth and then take my chances with them as yearlings,onlytreating them gently next year distance wise i mean what do the members think eh!

[PIGEON_MAN]

Personally I do not like to winter young birds that have not had a race or two,if I have to many birds the end of the season ybs that have not raced are always the first to go,at the end of the day you really are the only one who can make the decision to race them or not.

[jakie]

mate,you race them all and race them hard,then during the winter use the empty loft for storage,works for me

[andy Burgess]

I would race them ,have tried (twice) training only , the majority fall by the wayside the following year .there is always the odd exception , but to keep & train for a year just to find 1 ,is a lot to take on in my opinion.

[kirky]

I would race them ,have tried (twice) training only , the majority fall by the wayside the following year .there is always the odd exception , but to keep & train for a year just to find 1 ,is a lot to take on in my opinion.

the above is good advice.

[gulkie]

IMO they are for racing never had many YB that have not raced the year of their birth

Last long the next year ,so enjoy them now it won't get any better just keep an eye on

the weather ,the rest is out of your hands.good luck what ever way u go.

[flying fifer]

Widnae say they need to be raced out to the bitter end, but do think that they need the "racing" experience as Y/B's. From past experiences those not raced as Y/B's fall by the wayside first. You often hear off birds scoring later in life that were not raced as Y/B's, they are very much in the minority. All the best whatever route you go down and hope you enjoy some success

[BLACK W F]

Phil if you dont get them to Arniston they will drop like flys the following year there is odd exceptions but thats what i have found better to have a dozen raced than 60 that aint best of luck to u

[geordie1234]

Phil if you dont get them to Arniston they will drop like flys the following year there is odd exceptions but thats what i have found better to have a dozen raced than 60 that aint best of luck to u

Agree

[Delboy]

They either have it or they don't, plenty of latebreds went onto be champions. I know a guy that splits his 30 ybs, 15 get raced, 15 trained only and as yearlings both do equally well. In fact he timed the unraced ones from Ypres 2 years in a row as yearlings. As I say, they either have it or they don't and most don't.

[philg50]

They either have it or they don't, plenty of latebreds went onto be champions. I know a guy that splits his 30 ybs, 15 get raced, 15 trained only and as yearlings both do equally well. In fact he timed the unraced ones from Ypres 2 years in a row as yearlings. As I say, they either have it or they don't and most don't.

I am inclined to agree Delboy thanks.

[JohnQuinn]

They either have it or they don't, plenty of latebreds went onto be champions. I know a guy that splits his 30 ybs, 15 get raced, 15 trained only and as yearlings both do equally well. In fact he timed the unraced ones from Ypres 2 years in a row as yearlings. As I say, they either have it or they don't and most don't.

 

Absolutely correct, if it ain't there ye canny bring it out of them, if they have it they will win in future regardless of how you treat them as Yb's. My 3 best pigeons Ever were all late bred birds untrained or raced as Yb's, including my SNFC Section winner who also scored from Bovingdon earlier that season. My father won with late bred birds on a very regular basis too. Was gonna put JMO, but its more than opinion, its a fact. ATVB with them however you decide to progress with them. John.

 

Ps..........Many many Yb's race the full program and training tosses on top just to go down sharpish as yearlings, it is a totally different ball game when you get them sat down or onto a widowhood/roundabout system.

[BLACK W F]

Absolutely correct, if it ain't there ye canny bring it out of them, if they have it they will win in future regardless of how you treat them as Yb's. My 3 best pigeons Ever were all late bred birds untrained or raced as Yb's, including my SNFC Section winner who also scored from Bovingdon earlier that season. My father won with late bred birds on a very regular basis too. Was gonna put JMO, but its more than opinion, its a fact. ATVB with them however you decide to progress with them. John.

 

Ps..........Many many Yb's race the full program and training tosses on top just to go down sharpish as yearlings, it is a totally different ball game when you get them sat down or onto a widowhood/roundabout system.

John in your kneck of the woods they might do it but very few do it up here thats a fact if they not raced as y/bs they dont last long if l/breds and trained odd ones do it but they are very few thats a fact

[JohnQuinn]

John in your kneck of the woods they might do it but very few do it up here thats a fact if they not raced as y/bs they dont last long if l/breds and trained odd ones do it but they are very few thats a fact

 

 

 

To be fair it disnae ask if its good into certain area's and not others but i'm doubtful if anywhere North or East of Lanarkshire is more difficult to race birds into, that is JMO! lol

[BLACK W F]

To be fair it disnae ask if its good into certain area's and not others but i'm doubtful if anywhere North or East of Lanarkshire is more difficult to race birds into, that is JMO! lol

your entitled to your opinion John pmsl

[robbiedoo.]

To be fair it disnae ask if its good into certain area's and not others but i'm doubtful if anywhere North or East of Lanarkshire is more difficult to race birds into, that is JMO! lol

 

 

 

John are you serious dear me . Phil get them in the transporter like blackly says up they reckon its best if you get your youngsters to arninston at least

[just ask me]

they either have it or they dont simple as if you dont race them as young ones you will probably lose a lot more as the crap have not been weeded out

 

you cant train them to learn there way home you can only make them fit enough to do so

 

 

they either know there way home or they dont

[alec guinness]

They either have it or they don't, plenty of latebreds went onto be champions. I know a guy that splits his 30 ybs, 15 get raced, 15 trained only and as yearlings both do equally well. In fact he timed the unraced ones from Ypres 2 years in a row as yearlings. As I say, they either have it or they don't and most don't.

Good post

[soupie]

John are you serious dear me . Phil get them in the transporter like blackly says up they reckon its best if you get your youngsters to arninston at least

 

How far is Arninston to you lads??

 

cheers

[yeboah]

They either have it or they don't, plenty of latebreds went onto be champions. I know a guy that splits his 30 ybs, 15 get raced, 15 trained only and as yearlings both do equally well. In fact he timed the unraced ones from Ypres 2 years in a row as yearlings. As I say, they either have it or they don't and most don't.

Spot on Derek

If not raced first race should be prob 4th or 5th race at 140 mls + when weather is warmer biggest mistake is putting them in early doors when it's Baltic

[We man]

I am just back into this game and all i have seen are old bird losses; young bird losses it has changed i think from 12 years ago so the question i have is 'do i need to race my young birds or can i train them thoroughly the year of there birth and then take my chances with them as yearlings,onlytreating them gently next year distance wise i mean what do the members think eh!

No need at all to race or train your ybs,if you read page 55 in the British Homing World July 26th under Young Birds of Daniel Aerens Drongen Belgium in the Joe Murphy page that tells why you dont have to train or race them,40 sent 673 mls 40 home,but as you know if auld Jock,Tam johnny etc say its wrong,they will be right.

[Tony C]

Many different answers............... but would you train/race a Derby horse & a Grand National horse in the same way.

[daviedoo22]

How far is Arninston to you lads??

 

cheers

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