National Racing?

[daviedoo22]

How do u work that oot peter ?? does nobody west of fraserburgh keep doo,s, every week our birds dog leg west, an God knows how boys NORTH o inverness keeps doo,s. reading some of these posts suggests fanciers central belt are in another world, think if they came up here and flew thier doo.s they wouldn.t last 2 seasons. inland Nat 230miles ????? we fly we,r Y/Bs 240mls. and i think i would rather hav a club ticket fa hastings 495miles than NAT ticket fa 240 mile, After all there are more middle distance birds than thier are Distance, jmo peter, and i wish everybody and the birds the best for every race, ATB Ronnie,

WELL SAID, The North is always going to be the hardest to fly into.WHY? Because its LONG DISTANCE!!

[R.A.M.C.63]

WELL SAID, The North is always going to be the hardest to fly into.WHY? Because its LONG DISTANCE!!

 

Thank You Daviedoo22. an if you birds away maidstone ATB, Ronnie

[ForestForever74]

Sorry Mate and well done on ur first go at Nat, my reply to peters post isn,t aimed at anybody, and dont wont to belittle anybodys success, u can only compete against the entry, well done ForestForever74 and hope u do well cross water, ATB Ronnie

 

 

You fly into Elgin mate, as far as I am concerned you guys who fly that far north are the bee's knee's.

 

You fly into Elgin mate, as far as I am concerned you guys who fly that far north are the bee's knee's.

 

Ps Can I come visit your loft? :-)

[daleren]

in my opinion its up to fancier to distance they want to fly THE SNFC alows this to happen wether its inland or across the channel at the end of the day it is your choice all the best in national racing dale

[R.A.M.C.63]

You fly into Elgin mate, as far as I am concerned you guys who fly that far north are the bee's knee's.

 

Any time ur up this way feel free mate, aways good to news with fellow fanciers, i.ll get :emoticon-0167-beer: in,

[Guest chad3646]

Any time ur up this way feel free mate, aways good to news with fellow fanciers, i.ll get :emoticon-0167-beer: in,

 

 

thats what it is all about friend ship amongst fellow fanciers

[hotrod]

This may not go down well with fellow guys in the west but many hold doos back for ypres instead of the Gold cup which for me I would take a doo on the gold cup result any day over a ypres result. The same reason I have a 2 year old going to tours or whatever the new point is rather than ypres. Getting a doo on the result fae ypres is very hard bt the real deal is yer french races

Geo Ypres is probably the fairest race on the snfc Callander , IMHO , it's been a great race since its inception with great returns ,yes there will prob be a disaster at some time , but this can and has happened to nearly all the race points . For me it's a great stepping stone for pigeons first time across the channel/ water , I rejoined the snfc with this race in mind , as I try and get them from Ypres , last year my first and second section clermont were at Ypres 3 weeks before , and if you could get yearlings out of it then imho are good candidates for the gold cup the following year .

[JohnQuinn]

This is something many seem to have in their heads nowadays, for what reason I don't know.

 

You'd think nobody had ever timed a doo from Avranches,Rennes or Nantes without sending it to Newbury beforehand

 

Hi Lewis. The very first time we got a doo on the shift from Rennes, the hen's last race had been Lancaster (128mls) about 6 weeks earlier. Races are won in the loft not necessarily by hours on the wing. IMO an Ounce of Motivation is worth a Kilo of fitness. Am no saying an Unfit bird motivated will beat a Fitter pigeon, but a Fit pigeon Motivated will beat a Super Fit bird who is not Motivated to get home.

 

Ps. It was 1980, the Dark Cheq hen 78 L 10223 hit a wire on her last toss before going back in '81 and she was probably much better that year than the year she scored. Lessons were learned that day, but in saying that we done it 10 years later again with a Black Ck, 91 L 26262 lost from a toss on the day of basketing for the Fed's longest inland race, pool sheet was written out too with him being our All pools bird.

[Rooster J. Cogburn]

You cant dispute facts and figures so you will agree that the Gold Cup entry has also dropped since the introduction of Ypres. To me the main channel races are Alencon, Tours and Clermont. I wouldn't send a pigeon to Ypres that I fancied for any of the other races but I think many particularly in the west do otherwise jmo.

 

There is a reason Ypres is so popular and it has little to do with distance or 'easiness'.

[Rooster J. Cogburn]

Geo Ypres is probably the fairest race on the snfc Callander , IMHO , it's been a great race since its inception with great returns ,yes there will prob be a disaster at some time , but this can and has happened to nearly all the race points . For me it's a great stepping stone for pigeons first time across the channel/ water , I rejoined the snfc with this race in mind , as I try and get them from Ypres , last year my first and second section clermont were at Ypres 3 weeks before , and if you could get yearlings out of it then imho are good candidates for the gold cup the following year .

 

Good post

 

Hi Lewis. The very first time we got a doo on the shift from Rennes, the hen's last race had been Lancaster (128mls) about 6 weeks earlier. Races are won in the loft not necessarily by hours on the wing. IMO an Ounce of Motivation is worth a Kilo of fitness. Am no saying an Unfit bird motivated will beat a Fitter pigeon, but a Fit pigeon Motivated will beat a Super Fit bird who is not Motivated to get home.

 

Ps. It was 1980, the Dark Cheq hen 78 L 10223 hit a wire on her last toss before going back in '81 and she was probably much better that year than the year she scored. Lessons were learned that day, but in saying that we done it 10 years later again with a Black Ck, 91 L 26262 lost from a toss on the day of basketing for the Fed's longest inland race, pool sheet was written out too with him being our All pools bird.

 

Good post

[Guest IB]

I removed 1 offensive post and 2 replies to it from the last page which broke the following rule:

 

•Members should post in a way that is respectful of other individuals. Flaming, abusing or discriminating against individuals in any way will not be tolerated.

[geordie1234]

Geo Ypres is probably the fairest race on the snfc Callander , IMHO , it's been a great race since its inception with great returns ,yes there will prob be a disaster at some time , but this can and has happened to nearly all the race points . For me it's a great stepping stone for pigeons first time across the channel/ water , I rejoined the snfc with this race in mind , as I try and get them from Ypres , last year my first and second section clermont were at Ypres 3 weeks before , and if you could get yearlings out of it then imho are good candidates for the gold cup the following year .

Totally agree but what I was meaning is fanciers go to ypres but no were else on the card

[DJWa]

Totally agree but what I was meaning is fanciers go to ypres but no were else on the card

 

wrong ypres is ok if you live in the south and west

but not in the east and worse in the north

 

as were calculated as flying the full race over water

which they don't do

 

they cross over and come up the coast

53 miles from Edinburgh

23 miles from Dundee

up to aberdeen

[Guest IB]

I’m not convinced that it is the Inland Nationals returns that have the biggest impact on the Channel entries. National racing is heavily influenced by how well the Federation racing fares in the lead up to the National program. 2012 should still be fresh in our minds and that negative impact saw entries for both Inland Nationals down by 1/3rd on the year before, and yes, a 5-day holdover for the Newbury race did upset many Gold Cup plans, as can many other factors.

 

This year speaking to National Committee members during that lead up period, I learned that despite the Fed programs starting one week later than planned, weather-related impacts on most Fed racing into Scotland were already losing us very experienced ticket-holding pigeons at unbelievably low distances – under 100 miles.

 

Although my own returns from Newbury over the years have been appalling, entries show that it is a very popular race and therefore a large part of the membership must want it. Just because I don’t like it, or do well in it, or think it is ‘off line of route’ I strongly believe I have no right to impose my beliefs on others by getting rid of it, and when Newbury went to the vote at this year’s AGM, I was already minded not to send, but I voted to retain it. I suspect the longer distance fanciers are now the minority group in the National – comparing entries – and if this current theme ‘I don’t like – lose it’ does take hold and that ‘other’ majority start thinking the same way and decide ‘lets vote out the distance races’, then that reflects exactly what is being proposed by some here – I don’t like the race, I don’t send, get rid of it.

 

And surely if it is felt including the Inland Nationals in the Averages distorts the outcome by favouring certain areas or fanciers, then the solution is to remove them from the Averages – NOT remove them from the race program.

 

Remember the recent calls for stability in the race program following years of chopping and changing - that surely applies equally well to the Inland Nationals. The opposite of stability is instability which can only undermine the Club and lead to a split, and we saw at this years AGM that some are already quite prepared to split it.

[bullcock]

I’m not convinced that it is the Inland Nationals returns that have the biggest impact on the Channel entries. National racing is heavily influenced by how well the Federation racing fares in the lead up to the National program. 2012 should still be fresh in our minds and that negative impact saw entries for both Inland Nationals down by 1/3rd on the year before, and yes, a 5-day holdover for the Newbury race did upset many Gold Cup plans, as can many other factors.

 

This year speaking to National Committee members during that lead up period, I learned that despite the Fed programs starting one week later than planned, weather-related impacts on most Fed racing into Scotland were already losing us very experienced ticket-holding pigeons at unbelievably low distances – under 100 miles.

 

Although my own returns from Newbury over the years have been appalling, entries show that it is a very popular race and therefore a large part of the membership must want it. Just because I don’t like it, or do well in it, or think it is ‘off line of route’ I strongly believe I have no right to impose my beliefs on others by getting rid of it, and when Newbury went to the vote at this year’s AGM, I was already minded not to send, but I voted to retain it. I suspect the longer distance fanciers are now the minority group in the National – comparing entries – and if this current theme ‘I don’t like – lose it’ does take hold and that ‘other’ majority start thinking the same way and decide ‘lets vote out the distance races’, then that reflects exactly what is being proposed by some here – I don’t like the race, I don’t send, get rid of it.

 

And surely if it is felt including the Inland Nationals in the Averages distorts the outcome by favouring certain areas or fanciers, then the solution is to remove them from the Averages – NOT remove them from the race program.

 

Remember the recent calls for stability in the race program following years of chopping and changing - that surely applies equally well to the Inland Nationals. The opposite of stability is instability which can only undermine the Club and lead to a split, and we saw at this years AGM that some are already quite prepared to split it.

You touch on the issue of the popularity of the first inland race and Newbury, I would like to keep the first inland and keep it to the second Saturday in June, but I totally disagree with flying from Newbury or anywhere else in this area, stick to the east(Huntingdon or Balliricay), you also say the inland race has no impact in the distance races, the last 5 years have seen average birdage in the first inland in the region of 5000 birds and after very poor returns, we get a poor birdage for the rest of the program, if it is poor fed races that is the cause where do we get 5000 birds from? most used the first inland as a prep race for the other races, as a lot of feds have this in there program they have no other option to get the birds a stretch.

The first inland race will decide the birdage for the rest of the program as if it has poor returns it will impact the rest of the races. but the middle of the country has been disastrous for returns for years now and we keep going there, WHY? I don't know, time for a change, stick to the east side. JMO

[Guest IB]

You touch on the issue of the popularity of the first inland race and Newbury, I would like to keep the first inland and keep it to the second Saturday in June, but I totally disagree with flying from Newbury or anywhere else in this area, stick to the east(Huntingdon or Balliricay), you also say the inland race has no impact in the distance races, the last 5 years have seen average birdage in the first inland in the region of 5000 birds and after very poor returns, we get a poor birdage for the rest of the program, if it is poor fed races that is the cause where do we get 5000 birds from? most used the first inland as a prep race for the other races, as a lot of feds have this in there program they have no other option to get the birds a stretch.

The first inland race will decide the birdage for the rest of the program as if it has poor returns it will impact the rest of the races. but the middle of the country has been disastrous for returns for years now and we keep going there, WHY? I don't know, time for a change, stick to the east side. JMO

 

I agree with your thoughts on Newbury. I said I thought it is ‘off line of route’ and had already decided last year not to send again, and didn’t.

 

But I didn’t say that it had no impact on Channel Races. I said that Federation racing had a bigger impact on channel candidates – most do a lot of their roadwork in these races - and they were going down well before Newbury – mine included. I agree that many distance men use Newbury as their set-up race for the Gold Cup, but most of the 5000 birds entered are entered as serious candidates in that race, they are middle distance racers in a middle distance race and their next race is not the Gold Cup it’s the second middle distance race in the program, Maidstone. Maidstone is also the set-up race for Clermont, but as with Newbury most of the birds in it are middle distance birds.

[hotrod]

wrong ypres is ok if you live in the south and west

but not in the east and worse in the north

 

as were calculated as flying the full race over water

which they don't do

 

they cross over and come up the coast

53 miles from Edinburgh

23 miles from Dundee

up to aberdeen

So it's all down to your location not about having good racing from a certain race , I could not care less where we race from as long as we have good returns .

[DJWa]

So it's all down to your location not about having good racing from a certain race , I could not care less where we race from as long as we have good returns .

 

not what I meant stuart

its a good race point for returns

 

it was the fairness point I was referring to

[hotrod]

not what I meant stuart

its a good race point for returns

 

it was the fairness point I was referring to

U can never get fair in doo racing mate u know that .

[dal2]

U can never get fair in doo racing mate u know that .

Yes ye can!Just move tae the Solway???its easy there LOL????

[blucock]

Tied up with distance??? Its what we want to fly?

Its hard to win any national.

 

Next you will be telling us there is more prestige in winning an inland nat?

 

Nope, I didn't say that but you're quote "it's what we want to fly"? You cannot possibly know what everyone else in Scotland wants. The lads in the far North are flying 400 mile from the so-called "sprint" race - the inland nationals offer something for everyone and are better for giving experience than fed races.

 

As before the Dutch and Belgians (world leaders in our sport FACT) have been racing shorter distance nationals for decades but hey, why move with the times eh? Do you really think Newbury takes birds away from the Alencon birdage ? I'm no sure about that at all.

 

The SNFC make a sight more to keep the club going from Newbury than from Alencon I am sure of that though... I wonder if anyone who sends to Newbury or Maidstone wants Alencon or Tours scrapped ? Not a case of live and let live?

[Scousebilly]

Nope, I didn't say that but you're quote "it's what we want to fly"? You cannot possibly know what everyone else in Scotland wants. The lads in the far North are flying 400 mile from the so-called "sprint" race - the inland nationals offer something for everyone and are better for giving experience than fed races.

 

As before the Dutch and Belgians (world leaders in our sport FACT) have been racing shorter distance nationals for decades but hey, why move with the times eh? Do you really think Newbury takes birds away from the Alencon birdage ? I'm no sure about that at all.

 

The SNFC make a sight more to keep the club going from Newbury than from Alencon I am sure of that though... I wonder if anyone who sends to Newbury or Maidstone wants Alencon or Tours scrapped ? Not a case of live and let live?

 

Very well said

[Guest Gareth Rankin]

And after todays hold over, they will still be those who say inland nationals don't effect the gold cup entry, lack of respect when it comes to the history of this club.

[JADE]

And after todays hold over, they will still be those who say inland nationals don't effect the gold cup entry, lack of respect when it comes to the history of this club.

 

Are you seriously suggesting that members have birds at Maidstone which they intended sending back to Alencon?

[Delboy]

Are you seriously suggesting that members have birds at Maidstone which they intended sending back to Alencon?

 

Naw, what hes saying is the race could be on the Gold cup marking day.This may affect the Gold cup entries??