clockman Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 Everyone seemed to love it Bob, great atmosphere in the community centre at Bathgate. We were there from 12 noon for marking starting at 1pm.We finished at 11pm so folk travelling a few miles is fk all to the work the committee puts in m8.Security is paramount imo ps.Liege and yb national central marking Fraserburgh 8hr round trip, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stb- Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 Fraserburgh 8hr round trip, is that in walters trawler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 29th june Eastbourne6 july Gold cup13 july tours/niort20 july Ypres27 July Clermont/falaiseAgree Stephen, except the dates all a week earlier. Scrap first inland national, the federations can organise this weekend between themselves ie: our Fed could take the whole of East and Central Scotland no probs and I'm sure the feds who fly in the west and Solway could do the same but Gold Cup has to be Reims. If you study the first 10-20 in all the Reims races they're spread well over the sections. Also Ypres could incorporate a yearling race. Longest race wherever from would depend on hopping on with someone else as it wouldn't matter where its from, as the hardcore 600-700 mile guys would send anyway. Clermont/Beauvais for last OB race. Young Bird National Friday Harlow/Wansted Flats area. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delboy Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 Fraserburgh 8hr round trip, Only a Dundonian could post this lol, read all the posts, the north and south were ferried to marking station.Im surprised a member of the present committee isnt wanting central marking back just for security alone. is that in walters trawler pmsfl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gareth Rankin Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 15th - June Ypres29th - June Alencon6 July - Maidstone yearling13 July - Tours20 July - Clermont14th September - Leicester YB nat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clockman Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 Only a Dundonian could post this lol, read all the posts, the north and south were ferried to marking station.Im surprised a member of the present committee isnt wanting central marking back just for security alone. pmsfl its easy even you can google it, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastcoaster Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 Transportation must improve more than anything, we are miles behind the times for national racing , one inland nat and agree make ypres a yearling nat,also agree with races can be brought forward or delayed if the weather suits,it will be a long Agm when it comes round . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dal2 Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 Agree Stephen, except the dates all a week earlier. Scrap first inland national, the federations can organise this weekend between themselves ie: our Fed could take the whole of East and Central Scotland no probs and I'm sure the feds who fly in the west and Solway could do the same but Gold Cup has to be Reims. If you study the first 10-20 in all the Reims races they're spread well over the sections. Also Ypres could incorporate a yearling race. Longest race wherever from would depend on hopping on with someone else as it wouldn't matter where its from, as the hardcore 600-700 mile guys would send anyway. Clermont/Beauvais for last OB race. Young Bird National Friday Harlow/Wansted Flats area.[/qYe not in disagreement with that but do think that the gold cup Reims/Alencon arguement is a lot to do wae weather and wind on the day?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotrod Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 Here we go 15th June. Huntingdon. Inland national 29th June gold cup. Reims /clermont 6th July. Ypres. Inc. yearling national /. Longest. Race piggy back with SNRPC/. Or unc 13th July. Clermont Young bird national. From Huntingdon / newark whenever in September not really bothered And yes 100% make marking flexible. Give or take 2 days. With 24 hrs notice given to members Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JADE Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 Bathgate was chosen because it was central to the amount of SNFC membership , not centre of Scotland.In FAIRNESS OF COURSE LOL No problem. Used to have to go to Gorgie Market and then Dalkeith (and back wi yer clock if you got a doo. The good old days lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yeboah Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 Dont see nowt wrong with the first nationalIf the west coast minded men would get a yearling or any age race from bournemouth area would'nt waste yearlings sending them with the drag from maidstone Gold Cup would just go with the flow but deffo central marking used to travel for more years than i can remember to motherwell no probs only once a year with result well spread each time.YB national got to be a separate lib for the west young uns only have to look at the result and how far each section winners are behind the winners farsicle or waste of good doos as it standsAgree with Delboy 110% Geraldy with only 16 per basket that was our problem with the big holdovers 25 doos in a basket NO Chance of water,time we put the doos firstAlso agree with breaking point this should be tried out at fed level but not sure how it would be put into practice at national level .All said got our tickets through for the presentation and looking forward to congratulating the winners :emoticon-0137-clapping: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alec guinness Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 1.Eastbourne, 2.Reims, 3&4.Tours & Ypres( same weekend ) 5.Maidstone yearling, 6.Clermont 7.yb nat Leicester No section changes as although there are some members lying in favourable and unfavourable positions, changing things wouldnt help in long run.However,imo, the answer is a breaking point and fatigue factor formula, this would mean you dont need sections and you would pool against everyone.Think of the money you could win.Central marking for the Gold cup race and Geraldy transporters used with max 16 birds per crate.ps.The Tours race to be a midday liberation , all birds out. programme pretty good as discussed in the past this will let all federations race every week from april through to june 22nd!!!!!!! with the national then convoying as many as possible to eastbourne and then the gold cup the following week and the rest as above,DEFINATELY NO SECTION CHANGES!!!!!! :partick-thistle-Crest: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rooster J. Cogburn Posted October 3, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 We had central marking at Bathgate for the Gold cup in 2001, the result was 7 region winners in top 10 open.Food for thought.The north and south section guys paid someone a fiver each to bring there doos down to the marking.It went very well and another big factor was that the security for the Gold cup was as tight as it could be. Dont see nowt wrong with the first nationalIf the west coast minded men would get a yearling or any age race from bournemouth area would'nt waste yearlings sending them with the drag from maidstone Gold Cup would just go with the flow but deffo central marking used to travel for more years than i can remember to motherwell no probs only once a year with result well spread each time.YB national got to be a separate lib for the west young uns only have to look at the result and how far each section winners are behind the winners farsicle or waste of good doos as it standsAgree with Delboy 110% Geraldy with only 16 per basket that was our problem with the big holdovers 25 doos in a basket NO Chance of water,time we put the doos firstAlso agree with breaking point this should be tried out at fed level but not sure how it would be put into practice at national level .All said got our tickets through for the presentation and looking forward to congratulating the winners :emoticon-0137-clapping: Do yous feel the central marking,the birds from different areas being mixed through the baskets,contributes to the top end of the result being more spread? If so.why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delboy Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 That seems to be the way Lewis, maybe just coincidence but I think the birds mixed a wee bit more helps the final result.I dont know if it lessens drags by a % or not but it seems to help? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rooster J. Cogburn Posted October 3, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 That seems to be the way Lewis, maybe just coincidence but I think the birds mixed a wee bit more helps the final result.I dont know if it lessens drags by a % or not but it seems to help? I cannae totally make up my mind on it but do see a difference in most fed results when birds are marked centrally.This is usually as it gets further out as well mind you and there isn't as many birds coming into the feds at the same time. Of course most folk would say the birds are mixed as soon as they are in the air. Unsure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WulDon Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 DUNDEE Downfield Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yeboah Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 Do yous feel the central marking,the birds from different areas being mixed through the baskets,contributes to the top end of the result being more spread? If so.why?In those days Lewis we raced from lymington or similar on the coast with the fed plus eddie newcombe had his midweek specialist club races from dorchester sure 3 times each season i then had going into the winter yearlings that had flown the coast 3 or even 4 times no wonder they went on to make good channel birds nowadays if you dont go to eastbourne or maidstone with the national the fed racing finishes about 200 plus miles and if we in our fed dont race the ybn our birds get 180 mls thats to me the furthest flier along with walter the first drop only get them to 150 mls,they are then expected to race 500 plus as 2yo big jump and i think that education they used to have has a lot to do with losses jmo . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henrik Posted October 4, 2012 Report Share Posted October 4, 2012 The reason for going to Alencon and not Reims is that the facilities at Reims are not as good as Alencon, there is no running water, this has be brought in a bowser. Also for the long race we may need to be more flexible as to the dates if we want to go to Tours and it may need to be before the Gold cup race to facilitate a joint convoying arrangement. Would do away with the first inland race as well,or have it and put Ypres instead of Maidstone or Eastbourne. Yb National could maybe be a bit further as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delboy Posted October 4, 2012 Report Share Posted October 4, 2012 Flexibility is the key for successful racing.Bob,Reims has been a successful race point so why not move to a site in or around Reims that has water facilities? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gareth Rankin Posted October 4, 2012 Report Share Posted October 4, 2012 Flexibility is the key for successful racing.Bob,Reims has been a successful race point so why not move to a site in or around Reims that has water facilities?Hate to say it but Reims is to far for the gold cup, it won't get the birdage uo to a respectable level, Alencon is far enough. JMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delboy Posted October 4, 2012 Report Share Posted October 4, 2012 Hate to say it but Reims is to far for the gold cup, it won't get the birdage uo to a respectable level, Alencon is far enough. JMO LOL, it isny too far, especially to Larkie.lol.Andrew Deans wanted the Gold cup from Nantes with a midday lib to make it a wee bit fairer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gareth Rankin Posted October 4, 2012 Report Share Posted October 4, 2012 LOL, it isny too far, especially to Larkie.lol.Andrew Deans wanted the Gold cup from Nantes with a midday lib to make it a wee bit fairerDerek i would have it from 600 miles, but race points are being banded about and no seems bothered that something has to be done to get the birdage up in the gold cup, Reims will not help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delboy Posted October 4, 2012 Report Share Posted October 4, 2012 If im sending 6 to the Gold cup, im sending 6, whether it is 550 or 577 miles.We had a blow home from Alencon this year and still 2/3 of convoy went amiss.Never known a real bad yin fae Reims?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyson Posted October 4, 2012 Report Share Posted October 4, 2012 Reims gives the birds a shorter crossing across the channel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rooster J. Cogburn Posted October 4, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 4, 2012 Think straying from Alencon,Ypres and Clermont would just be a change for changes sake?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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