ETS & BOB WIRE POSITIONS

[Guest ENDFLIGHT]

ETS for what it,s worth,its better with out landing boards

[jacksafc]

I've never seen an ETS pad under the landing board, a bit common sense is required and the rules state the pad (not the bird) must be within the confines (means inside) the boundaries of the loft, the bob wires and trapping are red herrings, theres no requirement for anyone, anywhere, whether clock or ETS, to have bob wires or to trap birds.

Standard Sputniks arent permitted so in my humble opinion the ETS trap should be on the inside with the landing board(without pads) should be on the outside.

This has been debated at length a dozen times on all forums.

[Roland]

SO YOU SEND A BIRD TO A NATIONAL RACE IT COMES BACK FIRST CLOCKS ON THE OUTBOARD PAD GETS A FRIGHT AND SITS ON THE HOUSE ROOF FOR EIGHT HOURS YOU DEEM YOURSELF TO HAVE WON THE RACE

 

Exactly! It happens. Besides you - like most - are trying equate fairness. Right / wrong and morals. There is any in our sport.

 

[Roland]

Confines means within a 'District. Within boundaries. Nothing to do with Confined, that's why it's spelt different  

[BANDIT]

THIS DEBATE WILL GO ON AND ON,THOSE FOR ETS AND THOSE AGAINST IT.IF EVERYBODY GOT IT WHAT WOULD BE THE PROBLEM.IVE GUYS IN MY CLUB BEEN OFFERED A LOAN OF T3 CLOCKS FOR THE SEASON AND REFUSING THEM.INSTEAD USING VERY OLD CLOCKS.YOU CAN PUT THE ETS PAD WERE YOU WANT AND THEN AFTER CLOCKING MOVE IT BACK INTO THE SO CALL CORRECT POSITION.

[Tony C]

Confines means within a 'District. Within boundaries. Nothing to do with Confined, that's why it's spelt different  

 

Bearing in mind the other part of the rule 'pads not to be fitted on or below external landing boards' do you honestly believe this was how the rule was intended to be interpreted, sorry Roland I don’t. Reading it the way you do one contradicts the other.

[red schalie]

Why should it matter! its a pigeon race. As long as the bird is clocked at the measured point (loft) and not to a shorter place you will get the true velocity. Not something distorted by handicap ie; age or disability etc.

 

Regards

 

Bob Pickering

[kirky]

I've never seen an ETS pad under the landing board, a bit common sense is required and the rules state the pad (not the bird) must be within the confines (means inside) the boundaries of the loft, the bob wires and trapping are red herrings, theres no requirement for anyone, anywhere, whether clock or ETS, to have bob wires or to trap birds.

Standard Sputniks arent permitted so in my humble opinion the ETS trap should be on the inside with the landing board(without pads) should be on the outside.

This has been debated at length a dozen times on all forums.

standard sputniks arent permitted why ? i have always used one with pad inside on the base birds are not clocked untill thay enter and can not get back out.

 

 

[chickadee]

Why should it matter! its a pigeon race. As long as the bird is clocked at the measured point (loft) and not to a shorter place you will get the true velocity. Not something distorted by handicap ie; age or disability etc.

 

Regards

 

Bob Pickering

 

I would think that if a sprinter or a marathon runner crosses a predetermined line first then he will have his time recorded. If a bird flies home and lands on my hand and I remove the rubber let the bird go and place the rubber in my thimble/clock am I cheating :-/

 

 

[PIGEON_MAN]

 

I would think that if a sprinter or a marathon runner crosses a predetermined line first then he will have his time recorded. If a bird flies home and lands on my hand and I remove the rubber let the bird go and place the rubber in my thimble/clock am I cheating :-/

 

 

Have known 1 or 2 fanciers that used to clock their birds in from a race in the middle of the lawn,birds would land and the fanciers would simply pick them up and remove the rubber,the 1 guys birds actually landed on a small table which would have the clock stood on it also some seed for the bird as it landed.

 

[REDCHEQHEN]

Have known 1 or 2 fanciers that used to clock their birds in from a race in the middle of the lawn,birds would land and the fanciers would simply pick them up and remove the rubber,the 1 guys birds actually landed on a small table which would have the clock stood on it also some seed for the bird as it landed.

 

B*llocks

 

My birds are tame, but when they return from a race they're as jumpy as hell, you can't catch them unless they are contained, the only time I have picked a bird up off the landing board is when he went the long way on a 450 mile race

[Guest southern and mason]

av got a cock that lands on me wen it lands wot if it duz that on race day hav a got 2 put it on the trap and push it threw then catch it then clock it in the rules lyk that are daft if the pigeon lands in the garden its home in my eyes

[PIGEON_MAN]

 

B*llocks

 

My birds are tame, but when they return from a race they're as jumpy as hell, you can't catch them unless they are contained, the only time I have picked a bird up off the landing board is when he went the long way on a 450 mile race

 

I can assure you this is perfectly true the one guy still flys in our club now.

[mosslands1]

hiya flyer i use ETS and my trap is the same as pic 4 bobs after pad but they are best six inches after the end of pad . because they and any other metal or alloy including nails screws interfere with the electronic field of the pad slowing it down and missing odd one when lots land together i used all plactic nails screws and threded bar and nuts and now it never misses one and clocks milli seconds quicker . your landing board  when shut is where you confine your loft so will allways be within the rpra rules bob wires are optional not compulsory

[jacksafc]

standard sputniks arent permitted why ? i have always used one with pad inside on the base birds are not clocked untill thay enter and can not get back out.

 

 

I wanted to use sputniks myself kirky, i think they were outlawed because the authorities thought we would put the sensors under the top board which is the landing board,i think theyre fine under the base board but unfortunately i dont make the rules.

[Roland]

I think the problem is, here, folks keep refering to the 'Pigeon' and not the loft. Has to go in etc. Avairy  etc. etc. IT is the ConfineS of the loft we are talking about, Not Confine, nor Confined etc. and certainly not a mention of where and what the pigeon does.

[edwards]

in my opinon on the ets system it cant be replaced for its advantage for marking birds or clocking super machine

but as for clocking birds on the landing board is out of the question 5 years ago if you clocked a bird on the landing

board you would have being called a cheat lets be honest you would have got into sh** over it .how many races in my

club and your club were won on trapping and lost on bad trapping birds arriving and looking at you on the landing board

and you mate next door trapping like mad thats the way pigeon racing has always being and should stay birds clocked

inside the loft .

[billt]

Thats why under Welsh rules the birds have to enter bobs before activating the pads, It doesn't matter if the trap is internal or external, when they enter they are in the trap, meaning they can't leave the loft

[edwards]

Thats why under Welsh rules the birds have to enter bobs before activating the pads, It doesn't matter if the trap is internal or external, when they enter they are in the trap, meaning they can't leave the loft

and so it should be mate for eveyone and every union mate no exceptions to any rule

 

 

[hotrod]

Thats why under Welsh rules the birds have to enter bobs before activating the pads, It doesn't matter if the trap is internal or external, when they enter they are in the trap, meaning they can't leave the loft

 

i agree 100% mate this is the rule that should be country wide not just this union or that union but all ,then there would be no arguing jmo.then i might get an ets myself