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£55 lot 12 please Thanks >>>> Ian

I suspect theres more to this than meets the eye, is this maybe a common aviary to several lofts and al birds enter through the same trap then fly to the respective lofts. This isnt just "any" aviary because obviously the birds always land there to enter the loft. No ones going to locate a pad on any aviary or even roof on the off chance a bird might land there.

Surely the rule states the pads must be within the confines of the loft, how much clearer does it need to be.

Lot 61 £60 please updated mb

Lot 61 £50 updated mb

I'm sure the Arklesses at Brotton flew well with Jacob Van Hoppe birds. although again a while back.

Some of us mere mortals have to work as well as see to the birds, go to the lofts lunch time , feed, give 5 minutes for a drink and now throw the water out, totally pixxed off lol.

1.Dk Schallie C GB02Z Janssen bred by Alan Dungworth from direct WLG stock Sire GB00T Jaap Stam from GB97 Gold Blend and NL99 Blue Angel, sister to Golden Boy Dam GB00S Cheg from GB96S Rambo ex Classic Cock and NL97 Diamantje This cock has bred nmerous winers and is cracking pigeon. £50 due to age 2. Mealy C GB06D Page Brothers Janssen bred by John Raines. Sire GB05P from Mealy C NL97 Top Gun, when paired to GB00k dtr of Pouw Bros Rappe and Roxanne. Dam GB05P from Branie, top son of Provo and Gullit2 when paired to Sweetness, gdtr of Provo and Madonna. This cock has bred a winner this year. £50

I wanted to use sputniks myself kirky, i think they were outlawed because the authorities thought we would put the sensors under the top board which is the landing board,i think theyre fine under the base board but unfortunately i dont make the rules.

I've never seen an ETS pad under the landing board, a bit common sense is required and the rules state the pad (not the bird) must be within the confines (means inside) the boundaries of the loft, the bob wires and trapping are red herrings, theres no requirement for anyone, anywhere, whether clock or ETS, to have bob wires or to trap birds. Standard Sputniks arent permitted so in my humble opinion the ETS trap should be on the inside with the landing board(without pads) should be on the outside. This has been debated at length a dozen times on all forums.

You dont need bobs at the front steve but the rv trap goes inside the loft, not on the front, the pads are then within the confines of the loft. Only the landing board goes outside.

I use the RV trap.

4 or similar, at least those i've seen.

it could but a little seed placed in the tunnel will attract them far enough in to register, i usually find that once they enter the tunnel or trap hey dont turn back, i race widowhood so the hens are penned up, i have my bobs tied back on race days till most are home.

That would be the alternative if the bobs at the back were ever ruled against, take them off altogether

I'm sure theywill replace it if you pay the difference between the hundred quid and the true value, you're taking the chance cos youre getting them cheap.

In an 8 ft section you would comfrtably get 3 standard widowhoob boxes wide by 3 0r 4 high giving 9 or 12 but the cocks ae not keen on the bottom row of boxes,not sure if you would get 4 up and over boxes across an 8 foot loft by 3 high, that would be a better solution.

JUST AN UPDATE AND TO PUT THEM ONTO ONE THREAD. 1.Dk Schallie C GB02Z Janssen bred by Alan Dungworth from direct WLG stock Sire GB00T Jaap Stam from GB97 Gold Blend and NL99 Blue Angel, sister to Golden Boy Dam GB00S Cheg from GB96S Rambo ex Classic Cock and NL97 Diamantje This cock has bred nmerous winers and is cracking pigeon. £50 due to age 2.Cheq C GB04P Page Brothers Direct from super producer Jan, inbred to Provo, gson of legendary Verbart 46 Sire NL97 top producer Jan from super couple Provo and Madonna Dam GB03K from NL96 Branie (son of provo) and NL98 Sweetness (gdtr of Provo) Provo sire of Bertie Camphuis 01 and 02 and gsire of Golden Boy This cock hs bred winners. £50 3. Mealy C GB06D Page Brothers Janssen bred by John Raines. Sire GB05P from Mealy C NL97 Top Gun, when paired to GB00k dtr of Pouw Bros Rappe and Roxanne. Dam GB05P from Branie, top son of Provo and Gullit2 when paired to Sweetness, gdtr of Provo and Madonna. This cock has bred a winner this year. £40 4.Cheq C GB05P Page Brothers Direct. Sire GB00K Blauwe Witoger from King Kong and Roxanne Dam GB00V Witpen 51 from Pouw Bros birds DeRappe when paired to Geeloger 128. Blauwe Witoger bred birds to come to win the fed 10 times in one season. £40

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1.Dk Schallie C GB02Z Janssen bred by Alan Dungworth from direct WLG stock Sire GB00T Jaap Stam from GB97 Gold Blend and NL99 Blue Angel, sister to Golden Boy Dam GB00S Cheg from GB96S Rambo ex Classic Cock and NL97 Diamantje This cock has bred nmerous winers and is cracking pigeon. £60 due to age 2.Cheq C GB04P Page Brothers Direct from super producer Jan, inbred to Provo, gson of legendary Verbart 46 Sire NL97 top producer Jan from super couple Provo and Madonna Dam GB03K from NL96 Branie (son of provo) and NL98 Sweetness (gdtr of Provo) Provo sire of Bertie Camphuis 01 and 02 and gsire of Golden Boy This cock hs bred winners. £50

I can take a pic and text it if anyone wants one, wouldnt know where to start to put one on here

Lot 2 sold thx

I could take a pic and text it to you if interested, i've never seen the relevance of pics other than to fill the space, theres nothing that can be seen from a pic that would help to assess the quality of a pigeon.

No 2 sold thanks

1. Cheq C. GB07J Bred by Steve Foster Sire bred by Syndicate lofts from Golden Gaby and Gabrielle Dam Cheq 05, bred 3 fed winners, a gdtr of Kleine Dirk,Amore, Aladin and Last Lady. £50 2. Cheq C. GB07S Bred by Dean Cartmell, limited details as follows. Sire 05NL, purchased at Koopmans Manchester sale from De Loris and Miss Dynamite. Dam. Deans Verbree hen direct from Verbrees Tonia and Stefano. This cock was bred by Dean and raced by Start Innett where it topped the fed before coming back to Dean for stock. The verbree pigeons appear in the pedigrees of many top pigeons. £40 3. Mealy C GB06D Page Brothers Janssen bred by John Raines. Sire GB05P from Mealy C NL97 Top Gun, when paired to GB00k dtr of Pouw Bros Rappe and Roxanne. Dam GB05P from Branie, top son of Provo and Gullit2 when paired to Sweetness, gdtr of Provo and Madonna. This cock has bred a winner this year. £40 4.Cheq C GB05P Page Brothers Direct. Sire GB00K Blauwe Witoger from King Kong and Roxanne Dam GB00V Witpen 51 from Pouw Bros birds DeRappe when paired to Geeloger 128. Blauwe Witoger bred birds to come to win the fed 10 times in one season. £40