Having reread all the posts on this topic it has come to mind that Buster wants to fly Natural and the problem is not one single post has described HOW to win on natural because hardly a soul including myself does it anymore. The reason being we want to send as many as possible each week which you cannot do on natural due to nesting condition. So Buster I will tell you what no one else has told you. We will start with the Cocks. The very best condition with a Cock is a 12/13 day youngster BUT it has to be his first youngster of the year and you will only get him once, Do not even try to get him twice in a year as he wont do it a second time. Hens are in the same boat, the very best condition is her first young at 6 days but that can change when racing her out on sitting eggs as I had one who was virtually unbeatable on 13 day eggs. The beauty of natural against other systems is you will have the knowledge of puting a bird away that will be trying its almighty best against a flyer who wont know his birds condition because it is being sent the same condition week in week out on widowhood or roundabout. Stick to it my son and you will learn more about pigeons and have much more satisfaction. Pigeon racing is not only about who wins races because their are many factors involved but respect is gained to those who only send one or two and beats the majority in the percentage factors.