Piling young birds into a crate is pretty strong language,as far as I can recall our fed this year has not asked for more than 25 birds which is by no means excessive. Please also bear in mind not all members are having any worse returns this year compared to previous years. Regarding leaving top two layers of lorry empty it seems like a good idea but we also have people making the point that we should be loading top to bottom every week I have always been in favour of early libs but there are many who are not so keen. Finally i agree let's have a debate not a slanging match no need for RAISED VOICES