VAGIN Posted January 6, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 6, 2018 Ok blue Toon ,tell me this if you are saying over medication isnt a major factor in whats happening ,who is buying horse wormer ,baytril ,Quest for horses ,umteen mycins of some form or another ,is a this companies starting up new products running at a loss ,the books are full of them ,but naw its nae happening I think you are getting a wee bit out of order .The Question was " Do show racers and fancy pigeons get young bird sickness " ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dooheed 5 Posted January 6, 2018 Report Share Posted January 6, 2018 Ok blue Toon ,tell me this if you are saying over medication isnt a major factor in whats happening ,who is buying horse wormer ,baytril ,Quest for horses ,umteen mycins of some form or another ,is a this companies starting up new products running at a loss ,the books are full of them ,but naw its nae happeningPhylis is your eyes painted on ?? Never stated F-all about “Over medication “ what I stated was I didn’t agree with you claiming that “WE†(=meaning everyone) TREATS WITH WITH WHATEVER ANTIBIOTICS THEY CAN GET OUR HANDS ON “ (caps incase you can’t see it ðŸ‘) As far a who’s buying Horse wormer F-knows ?? Wait a minute Let think MMMMMM That’s it JOCKEYS !! ðŸ´ðŸ´ðŸ´ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roland Posted January 7, 2018 Report Share Posted January 7, 2018 We have vaccinated and treated with what ever Antibiotics we get our hands for a myriad of disease that we are not sure they have ,we have blown their natural immunity to bits and decimated their ability to self heal and we are asking the question of why they get all this ailements ,there are some that treat with drugs on a weekly basis IMO ,look in the mirror for answer ,fight to stop this yearly vaccination that would be a start. 100% correct! ... Biggest problem now is fanciers don't wish to know the truth .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dooheed 5 Posted January 7, 2018 Report Share Posted January 7, 2018 100% correct! ... Biggest problem now is fanciers don't wish to know the truth ....The REAL truth is 100% of Fanciers with zero Veterinary experience or qualifications to back up they’re claims (especially on this forum) know the true reason why some lofts and some don’t experience problems with they’re Young birds !! Personally I couldn’t give a rats *expletive removed* to how others look after their birds cos at the end of the day that’s their own choice whether it be right or wrong !! Best to just concentrate on your own !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dal2 Posted January 7, 2018 Report Share Posted January 7, 2018 The REAL truth is 100% of Fanciers with zero Veterinary experience or qualifications to back up they’re claims (especially on this forum) know the true reason why some lofts and some don’t experience problems with they’re Young birds !! Personally I couldn’t give a rats *expletive removed* to how others look after their birds cos at the end of the day that’s their own choice whether it be right or wrong !! Best to just concentrate on your own !!Sorry but you will need to tell me how you avoid it because it would be a Great help Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dooheed 5 Posted January 7, 2018 Report Share Posted January 7, 2018 Sorry but you will need to tell me how you avoid it because it would be a Great helpSorry but I canna answer that as I don’t know what causes it ?? My young birds had it for 3 year in a row but the last 2 year they’ve been spot on !! super healthy TBH (touch wood) I did absolutely nothing different ?? The only different thing I can think of was a change in brand of Young bird feed ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philg50 Posted January 7, 2018 Report Share Posted January 7, 2018 Sorry Vagin for getting way led on causes and why? ,but i dont know any fanciers of this type you ask the question about but regardless whether they do or dont get YBS they should be vaccinating i am led to believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyleakin Lofts Posted January 7, 2018 Report Share Posted January 7, 2018 The REAL truth is 100% of Fanciers with zero Veterinary experience or qualifications to back up they’re claims (especially on this forum) know the true reason why some lofts and some don’t experience problems with they’re Young birds !! Personally I couldn’t give a rats *expletive removed* to how others look after their birds cos at the end of the day that’s their own choice whether it be right or wrong !! Best to just concentrate on your own !! I know for a fact that some fanciers vaccinate with vaccine which has not been kept chilled when sent out to them. This is a suppliers' problem and they should insist on the proper distribution method even if it costs a little more for the cool bag and slightly larger package. I then know of fanciers who do not store their vaccine in a fridge as indicated on the instructions. I also know of fanciers who use vaccine after its first use and outwith the two / four hour period. I also know of fanciers who use vaccine which is past its use by date. These are fanciers' problems and this incorrect use could be a cause of PMV / Salmonella arising within their lofts. Whether any of these factors encourage YBS, I do not know, but whilst fanciers use vaccines not licensed or prescribed within this country, not withstanding their indiscriminate use of medicines, and the incorrect use of the aforementioned vaccines, I do not think they are qualified to state the cause for YBS. They may have very good guesses at the cause, but they will not have scientific proof. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dooheed 5 Posted January 7, 2018 Report Share Posted January 7, 2018 I know for a fact that some fanciers vaccinate with vaccine which has not been kept chilled when sent out to them. This is a suppliers' problem and they should insist on the proper distribution method even if it costs a little more for the cool bag and slightly larger package. I then know of fanciers who do not store their vaccine in a fridge as indicated on the instructions. I also know of fanciers who use vaccine after its first use and outwith the two / four hour period. I also know of fanciers who use vaccine which is past its use by date. These are fanciers' problems and this incorrect use could be a cause of PMV / Salmonella arising within their lofts. Whether any of these factors encourage YBS, I do not know, but whilst fanciers use vaccines not licensed or prescribed within this country, not withstanding their indiscriminate use of medicines, and the incorrect use of the aforementioned vaccines, I do not think they are qualified to state the cause for YBS. They may have very good guesses at the cause, but they will not have scientific proof. Your first point is out of our control basically but I agree and would easily pay a bit extra to keep it at the right temperature in transit. Also every year myself like probably loads of others heading to Blackpool in a few weekends time my first port of call on Saturday morning when entering the show is to visit the Hyperdrug stand and purchase vaccine !! Iv noticed its stored in a fridge but I’m in Blackpool till Monday morning and don’t get back up here until Monday evening !! Have no way of keeping it chilled ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calder boy Posted January 7, 2018 Report Share Posted January 7, 2018 Your first point is out of our control basically but I agree and would easily pay a bit extra to keep it at the right temperature in transit. Also every year myself like probably loads of others heading to Blackpool in a few weekends time my first port of call on Saturday morning when entering the show is to visit the Hyperdrug stand and purchase vaccine !! Iv noticed its stored in a fridge but I’m in Blackpool till Monday morning and don’t get back up here until Monday evening !! Have no way of keeping it chilled ??Stand it in a cup of cold water until ur ready to go home Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dooheed 5 Posted January 7, 2018 Report Share Posted January 7, 2018 Stand it in a cup of cold water until ur ready to go homeGood idea ðŸ‘as long as I don’t forget about it or even worse mistake it for something else and try and drink it when get back to b&b after on the lash 😂🺠Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paddymac Posted January 7, 2018 Report Share Posted January 7, 2018 Stand it in a cup of cold water until ur ready to go homeI've heard of a lot of fanciers doing that with their vaccine bought at Blackpool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philg50 Posted January 7, 2018 Report Share Posted January 7, 2018 What about the Hotel fridge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyleakin Lofts Posted January 7, 2018 Report Share Posted January 7, 2018 Your first point is out of our control basically but I agree and would easily pay a bit extra to keep it at the right temperature in transit. Also every year myself like probably loads of others heading to Blackpool in a few weekends time my first port of call on Saturday morning when entering the show is to visit the Hyperdrug stand and purchase vaccine !! Iv noticed its stored in a fridge but I’m in Blackpool till Monday morning and don’t get back up here until Monday evening !! Have no way of keeping it chilled ?? I don't know what savings you have by buying it at Blackpool, but I used to get mine from Hyperdrug and I'm sure they offered a chilled delivery pack for a little extra cost. I now get mine from Retford and they send it out chilled as standard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dooheed 5 Posted January 7, 2018 Report Share Posted January 7, 2018 I don't know what savings you have by buying it at Blackpool, but I used to get mine from Hyperdrug and I'm sure they offered a chilled delivery pack for a little extra cost. I now get mine from Retford and they send it out chilled as standard. Nae sure if there is any saving but just have always got vaccine for my young birds at the show ! When I order my vaccine later in the year for my old birds from hyperdrug I’ll inquire about a chilled delivery pack 👠Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotrod Posted January 8, 2018 Report Share Posted January 8, 2018 dont know any pouter men who vaccinate or treat for anything and i know a lot of them, a big difference is they only get a drink from a cup at feeding time once a day or twice if hot so no standing water in hut and birds are in single pensJust about every pouter men that I know John here in the port and in Glasgow now vaccinate for paramixo and some vaccinate again paratyphoid to as the lofts are rife with problems every year and my near neighbour tells me of big problems in Greenock every year just about every loft gets problems . My neighbour has been free from anything for the last number of years. I vaccinate his every year in January for him and he gives his wattie boswells potion which has kept them spot on . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotrod Posted January 8, 2018 Report Share Posted January 8, 2018 Can I also point out that most of the big doo men(pouter men) don't breed youngsters or have them in there lofts nearly every one prob 99% are adult birds . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VAGIN Posted January 8, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2018 Can I also point out that most of the big doo men(pouter men) don't breed youngsters or have them in there lofts nearly every one prob 99% are adult birds . So how do they restock then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnc Posted January 8, 2018 Report Share Posted January 8, 2018 the pouter game is about catching birds from other fanciers then give them to their dealers from other areas and they bring in birds that their dealers have caught or there are doo shops spread around that sell birds or swap if you go on to youtube and type in pouters you will see a video of them give you an idea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnc Posted January 8, 2018 Report Share Posted January 8, 2018 Just about every pouter men that I know John here in the port and in Glasgow now vaccinate for paramixo and some vaccinate again paratyphoid to as the lofts are rife with problems every year and my near neighbour tells me of big problems in Greenock every year just about every loft gets problems . My neighbour has been free from anything for the last number of years. I vaccinate his every year in January for him and he gives his wattie boswells potion which has kept them spot on .ive been out the game 10 years now stuart but the guys around me dont jag and dont have any problems the guy next door has around 40 birds and flys every day gets maybe 1 bird going light every year but never anything serious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotrod Posted January 8, 2018 Report Share Posted January 8, 2018 So how do they restock thenThere are some breeders of pouters ,mostly they don't fly in competition with other flyers , they keep the young till there through moult (adult) then they get sold . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lanarkshire lad Posted January 8, 2018 Report Share Posted January 8, 2018 There are some breeders of pouters ,mostly they don't fly in competition with other flyers , they keep the young till there through moult (adult) then they get sold .I take it that pouters break easy ? I’ve no got any experience with them . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommy bhoys Posted January 8, 2018 Report Share Posted January 8, 2018 I take it that pouters break easy ? I’ve no got any experience with them .long as the homer is not breed into them but thats another story :emoticon-0136-giggle: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotrod Posted January 8, 2018 Report Share Posted January 8, 2018 I take it that pouters break easy ? I’ve no got any experience with them .I've seen my neighbour getting one Friday night and breaking it on the Sunday ,they go out with their hen or cock first few flights then their out to catch or be caught . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotrod Posted January 8, 2018 Report Share Posted January 8, 2018 long as the homer is not breed into them but thats another story :emoticon-0136-giggle:Some breed the homer(racer) into them which will range much further from home loft and return ,if they are full horseman they don't have much in the brain department and will prob go into the first pouter loft they come across if they venture too far away . Ps there are always exceptions .as some smart ar she's will no doubt post . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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