Race North

[Bobby4]

Undoubtedly, there will be less to the north, Cumbria being the densest populated area in Europe, I believe. Ayrshire probably following close as are the Lockerbie / Moffat hills.

 

Difficulty in races is not a reason for not attempting the route, however, any venture of this kind must be entered with open eyes, not "rose tinted spectacles". That was the aim of my post, not an attempt at dissuasion.

get what your saying but instead of not racing yb at all which you will find that wont happen why not try this for a year or two the best part of this is you will be cutting their supply of food down which cannot do any harm in my book just a thot as a cant see anything else happening.

[dkj]

You know one weekend sorts it, if we all played the game

 

its not a problem if you sort your own area, north to south, plenty doo men all over britain,but as usual only a handful do anything about it, and the others do nothing but moan on the computer, doo men all over,

[STB]

Yes ther will always be bad races an the Ayrshire boys are polluted with bop in Ayrshire maybe not were they are coming from which is more difficult again getting your birds home Lanarkshire biggest fed in Britain our problem is coming thro Cumbria etc an those hills perrigrine as we know will go we're the food supply is an me personally don't think north of Lanarkshire is a great feeding place for them.

send in the reinforcements 5000 mercenaries 4 times a season spring clean not spring watch

[Guest mambo]

send in the reinforcements 5000 mercenaries 4 times a season spring clean not spring watch

If all Scottish feds where to be levied £1 for mercenary, purposes and available to 6 good specialists

[hotrod]

If all Scottish feds where to be levied £1 for mercenary, purposes and available to 6 good specialists

I'll donate £100 Danny ,as I haven't time to work my pigeons right never mind any other activity , not had game of golf for about 8/10 weeks easy .

[Guest mambo]

I'll donate £100 Danny ,as I haven't time to work my pigeons right never mind any other activity , not had game of golf for about 8/10 weeks easy .

Just think of all the extra dollars you will have to spend at Disney USA

[Cliftonlad]

We have them up here also

Aye yer right Paul every feekin day

[bibendium]

No disperspect intended to Ayrshire North Road Fed, as I have many friends who race in it but this weeks fed result shows the route is fraught with danger too 19 bird on fed result from 352 sent , velocities ranging from 1st fed 1030 to 19th fed 521

from 40 odd miles to most. These boys going North loose birds too maybe not in the same numbers as South going feds but loose them they do, whether the damage is done nearer the home end (Ayrshire) or further afield is unknown.

[Kyleakin Lofts]

No disperspect intended to Ayrshire North Road Fed, as I have many friends who race in it but this weeks fed result shows the route is fraught with danger too 19 bird on fed result from 352 sent , velocities ranging from 1st fed 1030 to 19th fed 521

from 40 odd miles to most. These boys going North loose birds too maybe not in the same numbers as South going feds but loose them they do, whether the damage is done nearer the home end (Ayrshire) or further afield is unknown.

 

This week's Fed result has not yet been worked out, I am still waiting on returns from the clubs, however, although your stats are incorrect, you are correct Charlie, we do lose pigeons on the route.

 

The problems on the route are the coastal haar in areas like Arbroath, Portlethen and Fraserburgh. Montrose has the haar and is in a low basin. This year's route is back to where it used to be, more inland and closer to the hills, so we encounter mist pockets within the valleys. It can be excellent at the lib point, but if you go to early, then the valleys may not be fully clear. When you pass Fraserburgh to go to Thurso, you have the mountains and glens, so this is very inhospitable terrain. As to the home end, the best ones to comment on that are the Stranraer members, they have to fly the length of Ayrshire before reaching home.

 

This points out the difficulties, but I am sure that the south route has difficulties as well.

[bibendium]

This week's Fed result has not yet been worked out, I am still waiting on returns from the clubs, however, although your stats are incorrect, you are correct Charlie, we do lose pigeons on the route.

 

The problems on the route are the coastal haar in areas like Arbroath, Portlethen and Fraserburgh. Montrose has the haar and is in a low basin. This year's route is back to where it used to be, more inland and closer to the hills, so we encounter mist pockets within the valleys. It can be excellent at the lib point, but if you go to early, then the valleys may not be fully clear. When you pass Fraserburgh to go to Thurso, you have the mountains and glens, so this is very inhospitable terrain. As to the home end, the best ones to comment on that are the Stranraer members, they have to fly the length of Ayrshire before reaching home.

 

This points out the difficulties, but I am sure that the south route has difficulties as well.

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So the result posted on FB is in fact not the result. just read the post script added last night sorry Andy . but my intentions were honourable lol

[dunc50]

We need to stop feeding bop only a suggestion probably get shot down in flames but here goes .st Andrews 58ml Arbroath 73ml Aberdeen 115ml Inverness 164ml Thurso 190ml Lerwick 315ml Faroese 430 . If we go east or west next year we are still feeding them feel free to shoot me down or pick different points but stop feeding these frs

 

the problem is the fancy itself the minute you put up or advertise the race route the RSPB, are right there puting up new nest sieghts, on that route so they are watching you and rubbing there hands,

[novo10]

Let's just wipe them out and *expletive removed* the rspb

[moscow master]

There's no safe route the north road sent 71 pigeons to a 200 ml race approximately and could only muster 9 for a 250 mile race that to me tells the story doesn't matter what way you go your getting blootered

[Kyleakin Lofts]

This week's Fed result has not yet been worked out, I am still waiting on returns from the clubs, however, although your stats are incorrect, you are correct Charlie, we do lose pigeons on the route.

 

The problems on the route are the coastal haar in areas like Arbroath, Portlethen and Fraserburgh. Montrose has the haar and is in a low basin. This year's route is back to where it used to be, more inland and closer to the hills, so we encounter mist pockets within the valleys. It can be excellent at the lib point, but if you go to early, then the valleys may not be fully clear. When you pass Fraserburgh to go to Thurso, you have the mountains and glens, so this is very inhospitable terrain. As to the home end, the best ones to comment on that are the Stranraer members, they have to fly the length of Ayrshire before reaching home.

 

This points out the difficulties, but I am sure that the south route has difficulties as well.

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So the result posted on FB is in fact not the result. just read the post script added last night sorry Andy . but my intentions were honourable lol

 

Yes Charlie, never realised that it didn't show as Valley result until you pointed it out, so edited it today after reading your comment. Sorry for the confusion. Mick's computer was down and done the result for him on the Fed programme asking it to print a club result. I didn't realise that it hadn't shown up as a club result apart from showing every member as a Valley one. Thanks for pointing it out.

[Kyleakin Lofts]

There's no safe route the north road sent 71 pigeons to a 200 ml race approximately and could only muster 9 for a 250 mile race that to me tells the story doesn't matter what way you go your getting blootered

 

Again, sort of correct Ricky. The 9 pigeons to Birsay was a special race outwith the Fed averages as well as being a new lib point, thus the lack of support.

 

The 71 to the Thurso race again indicates the difficulty and lack of appetite by the fanciers to race from the Highlands. Although it is a 200 mile race, the terrain can increase that distance up to somewhere ranging between 290 and 380 miles depending on the wind conditions, usually closer to the 380 miles. The Highlands & Islands fanciers have to cope with this every race and the North East fanciers around Inverness and Elgin have a similar problem. I believe our folks flying the east route call it the dogleg.

[KIDDON]

For the last few years pigeon racing is getting a nightmare especially in Scotland with the Hawks,mobile phones, wind turbines,the terrain,clashing,sickness but now we are also faced with freak weather due to the jet stream having moved possibly due to the climate change now we don't have 4 seasons in a year we seem to have lost out on summers now we are ending up with many hold overs,cancelled races,race point moves birds don't know if they are coming or going regarding a set loft routine over the years the club programmes have been made to coincide with the national races but unfortunately by following this course when it comes to the actual national hardly anyone has birds they can send to it, in my opinion in order to save the sport and stop losing members races need to be kept short and sweet for fanciers who don't fly with the nationals and a programme chosen to keep the the shorter distance fanciers happy without there support pigeon racing will be unaffordable, the biggest problem up here is not the problems listed above it is the members themselves who say nothing and just year after year blame anything but themselves common sense needs to prevail you need to keep hold of your team in order to race them we have had a hawk problem for years and it won't go away so fanciers who know that certain race points have been a graveyard in the past won't be sending to the inevitable point again someone must be able to come up with a few racepoints that have given reasonably good returns in the past and stick to them a race is a race wether it's 80 miles or 500 miles

[Roland]

Will never change as long as the powers to be feather their own nests and defend their location regards Race Points. When decent persons get voted in and try for sanity to have a say, they find themselves bashing their heads against the wall.

So they give and leave the sport often. Like wise with the grass roots. Just money fodder to bolster their chests.

Many good ideas - ones they would help immensely, reach deaf ears and fears of change. They / too many are comfortable with the habits.

On top of that, without any doubt whatsoever the biggest problem is the fanciers themselves.

 

Often for the above reasons and following the glib tongues of those with self interests.

 

Too often the Blane excuse 'Well I won't be around much longer ... Golly Gosh dread to think what the sport will be then'!

Little do they understand, let alone accept, that they ARE the reason and culprits!

 

For the last few years pigeon racing is getting a nightmare especially in Scotland with the Hawks,mobile phones, wind turbines,the terrain,clashing,sickness but now we are also faced with freak weather due to the jet stream having moved possibly due to the climate change now we don't have 4 seasons in a year we seem to have lost out on summers now we are ending up with many hold overs,cancelled races,race point moves birds don't know if they are coming or going regarding a set loft routine over the years the club programmes have been made to coincide with the national races but unfortunately by following this course when it comes to the actual national hardly anyone has birds they can send to it, in my opinion in order to save the sport and stop losing members races need to be kept short and sweet for fanciers who don't fly with the nationals and a programme chosen to keep the the shorter distance fanciers happy without there support pigeon racing will be unaffordable, the biggest problem up here is not the problems listed above it is the members themselves who say nothing and just year after year blame anything but themselves common sense needs to prevail you need to keep hold of your team in order to race them we have had a hawk problem for years and it won't go away so fanciers who know that certain race points have been a graveyard in the past won't be sending to the inevitable point again someone must be able to come up with a few racepoints that have given reasonably good returns in the past and stick to them a race is a race wether it's 80 miles or 500 miles

 

Incest breeding to the greatest detriment to the pigeons. But hey, who care, we hear every so often of one that did it and they had great success.

Sadly one swallow doesn't make a summer.

[kapri 07]

what about no youngbird racing in 2018 see if we can starve the bassas out and rebuild our teams after this years disasters

Walter that is the way forward I've said it and repeat myself that it's utter madness training/racing when all the bop are teaching there young to kill and yet we fanciers still do it and moan about when things go tits up but don't do nothing about it

[Dooheed 5]

Walter that is the way forward I've said it and repeat myself that it's utter madness training/racing when all the bop are teaching there young to kill and yet we fanciers still do it and moan about when things go tits up but don't do nothing about it

The Peregrine hunts a very wide range of species waterfowl,corvids,gulls,waders etc it has even been seen scavenging in hard winters so if you remove one source of food (racing pigeons) it would easily adapt and survive on other species !! Stopping Racing altogether is not the answer !!

[Guest mambo]

The Peregrine hunts a very wide range of species waterfowl,corvids,gulls,waders etc it has even been seen scavenging in hard winters so if you remove one source of food (racing pigeons) it would easily adapt and survive on other species !! Stopping Racing altogether is not the answer !!

Gives us all a chance, and if the new young bop get a taste for duck, he might learn going for pigeons are a lot more hard work, and leave us alone for a bit,for those that don't believe the bop don't take them all their are 1,600 peregrines in the Strathclyde area ,and a further 560 goshawks that's 2,150 birds eaten on a Saturdays race but I am sure their are more loses than that every young bird race into Scotland in Lanarkshire alone breeds 17,000 but they can only manage 6,000 come race day

[grdkeith]

Gives us all a chance, and if the new young bop get a taste for duck, he might learn going for pigeons are a lot more hard work, and leave us alone for a bit,for those that don't believe the bop don't take them all their are 1,600 peregrines in the Strathclyde area ,and a further 560 goshawks that's 2,150 birds eaten on a Saturdays race but I am sure their are more loses than that every young bird race into Scotland in Lanarkshire alone breeds 17,000 but they can only manage 6,000 come race day

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Interesting statistics on hawk numbers ,can you let me know where to find them,be interesting to compare with north route

[frank-123]

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