Y/b's Sickness Started

[Valiant Fifer]

Common sense m8. Dont worry the yb sickness is a temporary setback it wont stop them from being good doos in the end. Now that youve trained them out youll find that theyll be as good as in previous years. Just need to take yer time and dont put them all into first ob race nexy year. Spread them out over the first two or three races. At the end of the ylg or 2yo stage you might be surprised.

[alec guinness]

Aye and turn doos oot like this tae score fae the Gold Cup.... put a pic of your timer 😩😩😩😩😩

 

Nice hen John and a gold cup prize winner that's what it's all about m8

[Big Davie]

Aye and turn doos oot like this tae score fae the Gold Cup.... put a pic of your timer 😩😩😩😩😩

Real quality hen John and in great order when photo was taken, showed her class being timed to score in this years gold cup race which was a stinker

[VMS]

Get it every year albeit at different levels of severity but still get it,ain't going to treat in order to prevent it,it's now just a part of our YB year.great pigeon by John Quinn which turned out to be a terrible race but his bird made it so well done to that pigeonðŸ‘ðŸ‘ðŸ‘

[JohnQuinn]

Tell me this, when YBS strikes your birds how many in yer loft take it. Does it go through the full team, half of them or just one or two ???

[aye ready]

Always goes through my full team but usually find that only 2 or 3 birds have crop retention but I can see it in the droppings in the trays below the stall perches that every bird is affected to some degree with a secondary infection which is what I treat for and treated successfully every time using the same product

[lanarkshire lad]

Always goes through my full team but usually find that only 2 or 3 birds have crop retention but I can see it in the droppings in the trays below the stall perches that every bird is affected to some degree with a secondary infection which is what I treat for and treated successfully every time using the same product

What product do you use? I get ybs every year sometimes before the racing and training starts . I race my young birds on the natural system and I refuse to give antibiotics as a preventative but I will use antibiotics for the secondary infections when they get it I've tried various products over the years but Deweerdts Belgamco seems to do the trick for me but what I will say is that when the virus is amongst your pigeons I think it's very dodgy to race them as they may look ok but it's very hard to know which ones have it cooking inside them which can result in catastrophic losses imo Especially when they have to put there shoulders to it.So for me I would rather test them well as yearlings when hopefully there well over this YB ailment.

[aye ready]

What product do you use? I get ybs every year sometimes before the racing and training starts . I race my young birds on the natural system and I refuse to give antibiotics as a preventative but I will use antibiotics for the secondary infections when they get it I've tried various products over the years but Deweerdts Belgamco seems to do the trick for me but what I will say is that when the virus is amongst your pigeons I think it's very dodgy to race them as they may look ok but it's very hard to know which ones have it cooking inside them which can result in catastrophic losses imo Especially when they have to put there shoulders to it.So for me I would rather test them well as yearlings when hopefully there well over this YB ailment.

Never use antibiotics as a preventative cos it's a virus and no antibiotic can treat a virus it's the secondary infection that causes all the problems,I've use VETROMOX every year for years and it's never failed me yet turns the birds round in 3/4 days but as you say they look ok but internally they might not be,that's how I said in an earlier post they never go back in a basket till they're flying freely at home and wanting to fly,I've seen guys trying to put them back racing after a week and wonder why they have heavy losses

[VMS]

They get it,they get over it.have never treated for it.survival of the fitness nae point propping up as the majority don't have what it takes in the first place.too much mollycoddleing in this game if they can't fly 500 miles for me personly I don't want them.but I suppose it depends on what type of racing you aspire too

[JohnQuinn]

Tell me this, when YBS strikes your birds how many in yer loft take it. Does it go through the full team, half of them or just one or two ???

 

Had hoped to get a lot more responses to this question, especially fae guys getting it every year.

[lanarkshire lad]

Had hoped to get a lot more responses to this question, especially fae guys getting it every year.

John Imo it's very hard to tell how many it affects when it's amoungst your team they might look ok but you can't see what's going on inside them and pigeons canny talk to tell you how there feeling I would say it varies every year as to how many get the full blown symptoms

This year my ybs were very good up to the first YB race where I sent 30 and on the Monday after the race I must have had about 6 to 8 throw up there grub and then the droppings went bad and the weight loss etc now I hope your not going to tell that I should have pulled the heeds aff them because these same ybs can go on and score well from 450miles as ylgs that's a fact I've proved it and by the way surely some of these top athletes that you see winning gold medals at the olympics must have had illness when they were young so I would say if you've got confidence in the young pigeon you must give it a chance these days.

[JohnQuinn]

John Imo it's very hard to tell how many it affects when it's amoungst your team they might look ok but you can't see what's going on inside them and pigeons canny talk to tell you how there feeling I would say it varies every year as to how many get the full blown symptoms

This year my ybs were very good up to the first YB race where I sent 30 and on the Monday after the race I must have had about 6 to 8 throw up there grub and then the droppings went bad and the weight loss etc now I hope your not going to tell that I should have pulled the heeds aff them because these same ybs can go on and score well from 450miles as ylgs that's a fact I've proved it and by the way surely some of these top athletes that you see winning gold medals at the olympics must have had illness when they were young so I would say if you've got confidence in the young pigeon you must give it a chance these days.

 

A widnae advise killing any bird Jim, well within reason !!

Am trying tae build a picture of this tae see if there is a pattern to it. As an experiment I would like to give 4-6 Ybs tae a loft that is guaranteed tae have it and see if it affects mine the same as the home bred birds. Obviously I believe mine widnae take it and for the Hundreds of Ybs I have parted with I've never had it reported back that they went down ill or pass anything onto the others in the loft. Actually I had one guy say it but I never believed a word he said coz he made the claim tae cover up something else.

[lanarkshire lad]

A widnae advise killing any bird Jim, well within reason !!

Am trying tae build a picture of this tae see if there is a pattern to it. As an experiment I would like to give 4-6 Ybs tae a loft that is guaranteed tae have it and see if it affects mine the same as the home bred birds. Obviously I believe mine widnae take it and for the Hundreds of Ybs I have parted with I've never had it reported back that they went down ill or pass anything onto the others in the loft. Actually I had one guy say it but I never believed a word he said coz he made the claim tae cover up something else.

well I get it every year usually pretty bad and I DONT darken them now these last two Years I give my son a few and he DOES Darken them and he seems to get away with NOT getting it there you go.

[lanarkshire lad]

A widnae advise killing any bird Jim, well within reason !!

Am trying tae build a picture of this tae see if there is a pattern to it. As an experiment I would like to give 4-6 Ybs tae a loft that is guaranteed tae have it and see if it affects mine the same as the home bred birds. Obviously I believe mine widnae take it and for the Hundreds of Ybs I have parted with I've never had it reported back that they went down ill or pass anything onto the others in the loft. Actually I had one guy say it but I never believed a word he said coz he made the claim tae cover up something else.

Oh forgot to say I'll take two aff that hen you scored in the gold cup way to see if they take it lol

[Delboy]

A widnae advise killing any bird Jim, well within reason !!

Am trying tae build a picture of this tae see if there is a pattern to it. As an experiment I would like to give 4-6 Ybs tae a loft that is guaranteed tae have it and see if it affects mine the same as the home bred birds. Obviously I believe mine widnae take it and for the Hundreds of Ybs I have parted with I've never had it reported back that they went down ill or pass anything onto the others in the loft. Actually I had one guy say it but I never believed a word he said coz he made the claim tae cover up something else.

 

Hi John, im afraid to say that the 2 ybs you swapped with me , one disappeared off the loft and the other died with YBS. Just bad luck really although that was a good few years ago, maybe you've built up birds to have a different immunity now.

Edited October 3, 2016 by Delboy

[DJWa]

Had hoped to get a lot more responses to this question, especially fae guys getting it every year.

 

not an easy question to answer john

 

as when I saw it in 3 or 4 birds I immediately flock treated

so don't know how many would of gone down with it

[JohnQuinn]

well I get it every year usually pretty bad and I DONT darken them now these last two Years I give my son a few and he DOES Darken them and he seems to get away with NOT getting it there you go.

 

It's only an experiment Jim. If anyone wants to trial it am happy tae get involved. There MUST be an answer tae it somewhere but everybody who gets it either treat it differently or not at all.

Ye see it wranckles that some ppl believe because they get everybody Must get it which is a pile o p**sh tae me, if I get shingles it disnae mean everybody a come in contact way will get it, same applies to all living things including mammals birds and plant life. Great whit info ye can get aff a Doc when ye work way them.

 

Oh forgot to say I'll take two aff that hen you scored in the gold cup way to see if they take it lol

 

Al include a pair fae her then ðŸ‘

[aye ready]

John in ma opinion the lack of response tae your question regards how many are affected is because some of these guys wouldn't miss a race if their life depended on it I.e one week their sending 40 the next their down tae 10 etc and if you ask where's the rest ye get all the excuses bad toss during the week or don't fancy the forecast I know of guys that have had young bird sickness but have never missed a race.so in my opinion they pick out the ones that"LOOK ALRIGHT"? but in my opinion their all affected to some degree

[JohnQuinn]

John in ma opinion the lack of response tae your question regards how many are affected is because some of these guys wouldn't miss a race if their life depended on it I.e one week their sending 40 the next their down tae 10 etc and if you ask where's the rest ye get all the excuses bad toss during the week or don't fancy the forecast I know of guys that have had young bird sickness but have never missed a race.so in my opinion they pick out the ones that"LOOK ALRIGHT"? but in my opinion their all affected to some degree

 

Have no doubts you are 100% right about that. A went tae see a man who DOES something about it when his doos take anything. He got YBS about 6 yrs ago for the first time. He drove through the night to catch Gary Spavin (spelling?) and his doos were bang on after 3 days. He had lost around 40 with it but the 20 or so he had left went on to score in the SNFC races, WELL IN tae.

[peter pandy]

Have no doubts you are 100% right about that. A went tae see a man who DOES something about it when his doos take anything. He got YBS about 6 yrs ago for the first time. He drove through the night to catch Gary Spavin (spelling?) and his doos were bang on after 3 days. He had lost around 40 with it but the 20 or so he had left went on to score in the SNFC races, WELL IN tae.

Bang on John, I visited Garry in Lancaster 12 years ago and his herbal remedies sorted out my problems in jig time..

[greenlands]

Have no doubts you are 100% right about that. A went tae see a man who DOES something about it when his doos take anything. He got YBS about 6 yrs ago for the first time. He drove through the night to catch Gary Spavin (spelling?) and his doos were bang on after 3 days. He had lost around 40 with it but the 20 or so he had left went on to score in the SNFC races, WELL IN tae.

Bitter stimulant powder John ??

[Guest johnhunter]

Bang on John, I visited Garry in Lancaster 12 years ago and his herbal remedies sorted out my problems in jig time..

and what problems did you have peter ?

[VMS]

We get it every year there does not seem to be any definitive percentage in any given year of birds effected,some severe and some not so severe some seem not to have any symptoms at all. In recent years we have had it during racing with no sign what so ever ie sickness or visually,but birds failing to return raises alarm.we usually get it 4 to 6 weeks before racing begins and we let it run its course with out treatment the strong survive and the weak don't quite happy with that out come and our views with regards to that will never change.we don't treat YBS and we don't treat OBS for nothing and quite happy with that,the birds get one spot on the neck once a year and thats it no canker no coci nothing,always hoping for that good win but for us treating will not enhance our chances.

[peter pandy]

Me !!!. Naw. After excercising for an hour the Old Birds would land and one would start gasping and the rest would follow suit so I said to C.J.Williams who I Loft Managed for that I would take a dozen birds up to Lancaster and have them checked out by Garry. Nothing could be found medically with them but I took some of his bitter stimulant tonic away with me and within a day or two they all stopped their gasping. I never did get to the bottom of the problem but it never returned. I have never felt the need to visit Garry Spavin again But if a case arose I would not hesitate to phone him. By the way Mr Hunter, Garry puts most ailments down to over use of Antibiotics..

[Delboy]

I know Geoff Cooper lets feed that's been spewed up get eaten by others so they all get the virus and the YBS is over and done with. He reckons after 2 weeks they are fighting fit again. He gets it every year and doesn't see it as a problem as long as its before the season.