Dave barrie Posted February 14, 2016 Report Share Posted February 14, 2016 too many in a crate over 100 ml sore swollen eyes ,pecked heads, bullys at the drinker,crates wiyh three sides to chose to drink / feed etc is good but surely come the longer races the birdage drops per crate and if not then fed should work birdage per crate because on long haul then less is definately best and preferably on shavings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Novice Posted February 14, 2016 Report Share Posted February 14, 2016 I personally think less is more, it'sa transporter wwith a responsible driver, not a rally car zooming down the road. And birds are built for rapid unpredictable moment. They sit in trees in the middle of the worst storms and survive. JmoI never said that I either agreed or disagreed with the theory. I can't speak for the competence of the driver and I certainly hope none of mine are sitting on trees during a storm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paddymac Posted February 14, 2016 Report Share Posted February 14, 2016 The NIPA use both wooden and aluminium crates on their transporters and the only material permitted in the crates is sand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dal2 Posted February 14, 2016 Report Share Posted February 14, 2016 I personally think less is more, it'sa transporter wwith a responsible driver, not a rally car zooming down the road. And birds are built for rapid unpredictable moment. They sit in trees in the middle of the worst storms and survive. JmoIt's not about space for me.....its about feeding. Completely understand that you would want plenty of room Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dmurray Posted February 14, 2016 Report Share Posted February 14, 2016 ive never seen a wicker basket with enough water holes for the amount of birds in ever, geraldy is the best with full front and two sides for water and feed imo. Spot on my thoughts also Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Novice Posted February 14, 2016 Report Share Posted February 14, 2016 Not many top fanciers would think such a thing Robert.imo. You shouldn't even over pack your birds into a basket going to the club for a 2 minute journey?? For gods sake, space is paramount with any living thing. spot on, common sense. Derek the guy has won several nationals. I didn't say I agreed or disagreed with his views. He didn't advocate overcrowding but finding the optimum number. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullcock Posted February 14, 2016 Report Share Posted February 14, 2016 It's not about space for me.....its about feeding. Completely understand that you would want plenty of roomIf a bird limit is set and adhered to then they would be fed accordingly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dal2 Posted February 14, 2016 Report Share Posted February 14, 2016 If a bird limit is set and adhered to then they would be fed accordingly.The lack of numbers is my problem with feeding........liberal amounts of feeding given the same for 10 or 22 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullcock Posted February 14, 2016 Report Share Posted February 14, 2016 I never said that I either agreed or disagreed with the theory. I can't speak for the competence of the driver and I certainly hope none of mine are sitting on trees during a stormVery good Robert, I think you got the gist of my points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delboy Posted February 14, 2016 Report Share Posted February 14, 2016 I have also heard this opinion expressed by other leading fanciers. The thought being that they support each other in transit. Robert, what I think you are saying is, the pigeons are leaning against each other to support themselves in transit. I think its ludicrous that pigeons travelling in baskets/crates for many 100s of miles over a period of 3 days + have to endure such conditions. You also say that this is the feelings of a top fancier ( multi national winner) there are plenty of National winners that aren't the best of pigeonmen imo. their success mostly down to location. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delboy Posted February 14, 2016 Report Share Posted February 14, 2016 The lack of numbers is my problem with feeding........liberal amounts of feeding given the same for 10 or 22 I would think and hope the convoyers fed according to numbers in the basket.Now I realise what you mean but if your doos are right they wouldn't be eating a lot, no matter how much is in front of them imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotrod Posted February 14, 2016 Report Share Posted February 14, 2016 Baskets /crates would be labelled as to how many in each , so should be fed accordingly, I'm not talking of 10/crate 20 in a crate is fine . But the same crates take 28/30 earlier on in season which IMHO is way far too many . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rooster J. Cogburn Posted February 14, 2016 Report Share Posted February 14, 2016 I've had doos in the geraldy crates and wicker baskets and given the choice I'd now choose the geraldy every time-especially for young yins. Seen doos that have never been in a geraldy crate in their puff drinking within seconds of being placed in for the first time. Never seen such a thing in wicker baskets-I'd guess in the early young bird races where wicker baskets are used the majority of the convoy are libbed without having drank at all since leaving their loft the previous day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue pied Posted February 14, 2016 Report Share Posted February 14, 2016 Baskets /crates would be labelled as to how many in each , so should be fed accordingly, I'm not talking of 10/crate 20 in a crate is fine . But the same crates take 28/30 earlier on in season which IMHO is way far too many .Labels are at the front of the basket, you feed them from the back? so conyover needs to jump down count read a label, climb back up, count the feeding feed them etc etc ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotrod Posted February 14, 2016 Report Share Posted February 14, 2016 Simple solution Andrew label the crates at inside ,tell all clubs to do this problem solved . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bigda Posted February 14, 2016 Report Share Posted February 14, 2016 I've had doos in the geraldy crates and wicker baskets and given the choice I'd now choose the geraldy every time-especially for young yins. Seen doos that have never been in a geraldy crate in their puff drinking within seconds of being placed in for the first time. Never seen such a thing in wicker baskets-I'd guess in the early young bird races where wicker baskets are used the majority of the convoy are libbed without having drank at all since leaving their loft the previous day. You are absolutely correct, to explain in simple terms , when you want to quiten the loft you Darking it down and no bird will leave the perch well you are doing the same with the blackout. Wicker basket and young birds will not unless they at the front and will have a drink with. 28 birds it must be right in dark for most birds , the way the basket is made it has the darkest side on the outside. Making it harder for light to get in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry0 Posted February 14, 2016 Report Share Posted February 14, 2016 There isnae any guarantee of a race regarding weather so whats the use getting there a day early only to be held over for days with pigeons sitting on a bit of cardboard for days. :emoticon-0137-clapping: Did he not break from the normal in the past and break the line . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knoxjn Posted February 14, 2016 Report Share Posted February 14, 2016 the main difference is with the geraldys you have Perspex fronts so when you lift the shutters you have air and the birds can see and believe me they love it the transporters are alive have spent enough time watching them as for the feeding again the geraldys have feeder running right along the back so it makes no difference how many birds are in the crates don't know what that's all about as you don't weigh the feeding again instead of picking up your clock and leaving stay back and ask your convoyer just a thought Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Novice Posted February 14, 2016 Report Share Posted February 14, 2016 Robert, what I think you are saying is, the pigeons are leaning against each other to support themselves in transit. I think its ludicrous that pigeons travelling in baskets/crates for many 100s of miles over a period of 3 days + have to endure such conditions. You also say that this is the feelings of a top fancier ( multi national winner) there are plenty of National winners that aren't the best of pigeonmen imo. their success mostly down to location.As I said Derek I never agreed or disagreed with the opinion. Obviously there is an optimum number but that will vary according to the design of the transporter, duration of stay and time of year.Please don't start me about location as that is an entirely different ball game. Nudge nudge wink wink.Personally I would be rather thrown against another human being than a brick wall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Novice Posted February 14, 2016 Report Share Posted February 14, 2016 Very good Robert, I think you got the gist of my points.Actually Robert I struggled but as I said I sincerely hope mine don't sit on trees. I would imagine sitting on trees required different muscles sitting on a stable surface does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullcock Posted February 14, 2016 Report Share Posted February 14, 2016 Actually Robert I struggled but as I said I sincerely hope mine don't sit on trees. I would imagine sitting on trees required different muscles sitting on a stable surface does.Robert, pigeons can counteract the wind when sitting on a wire ,so sitting in a basket in a lorry won't ruffle too many feathers , I didn't mean birds on trees literally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Novice Posted February 14, 2016 Report Share Posted February 14, 2016 Robert, pigeons can counteract the wind when sitting on a wire ,so sitting in a basket in a lorry won't ruffle too many feathers , I didn't mean birds on trees literally.No problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastcoaster Posted February 14, 2016 Report Share Posted February 14, 2016 Some interesting points ! Are you saying that only the birds that home on the day (500+) have had a drink and only eaten the correct amount and the rest fall ? Can't buy that , don't think we give credit where credit is due to the convoyers , and how do we know that the first birds home are,nt the one,s who gorge themselves in the basket and out last the others home ? We don't .A good bird will get home but del is correct in that fill them full of fats at right time and you have done your job then let the birds ability come through. Jmo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VMS Posted February 14, 2016 Report Share Posted February 14, 2016 What about the day less in the basket,is that an irrelevance in today's racing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delboy Posted February 14, 2016 Report Share Posted February 14, 2016 What about the day less in the basket,is that an irrelevance in today's racing I agree with ye Vinnie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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