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[unclealbert]

It's hard being the champ of the street [you always get jealous bugger said} but give home some slack or a May have to come down and try and help him out,I have got a little experience

Billy always said you were destined for greater things LOFT MANAGER to the great one at top of street wooooow

[peter pandy]

Three from Eight back from Appleby 113 miles and I am as sick as a parrot but not alone as the rest of the club members are in the same boat and they are all training like *expletive removed*. Saturday night, the rain is torrential and the dogs wont go out and all I am thinking about is the ones missing and how they are faring. Sunday morning and the wind is bending the trees breaking one in half which takes out all the telephone wires at my end of the street, We surely cannot expect to have any return now as god knows where they will end up say's I to myself when one drops from goodness knows where onto the loft and is blown back up into the maelstrom that is here in the Metropolis but he tries again and lands safely getting himself out of the weather and into the safety of home. How do they manage it I say to myself after wishing him a welcome home lad.

No more made it and I am cursing myself for going to a stupid race to prove a point.

Those that are left had a day in the loft Sunday feeding on V/L. Start + which they will have till Wednesday night then it will be 75% Start + 25% energy same Thursday Morn/Eve and Friday Morn which is what they were given last week and handled well on it. I certainly wont be blaming my losses on my birds but think the Fed Officials have much to answer for when they are putting finance before the welfare of the members birds producing a race programme that is not conducive to its members by joint convoying as soon as possible.

The line of flight will be an 80 mile jump with last week's zig zag and no hope of introducing any fresh birds.

[peter pandy]

Put what's left of the young bird race team out this morning [all 14 of them] and came back out of the loft to find they had disappeared but returned high up and racing around the sky at a great rate of knots which had me wondering how many miles are they puting in ?. After 18 minutes they were back on the house roof and I roughly estimated they had covered 15-20 miles.

I noticed him down the street has been in touch with Mike Smith [Off His Hill] enquiring for tips on how to win !!.

and any secrets.

Dedication and hard work is all that is required if you ask me, with the training basket still redundant.

[Wiley]

Put what's left of the young bird race team out this morning [all 14 of them] and came back out of the loft to find they had disappeared but returned high up and racing around the sky at a great rate of knots which had me wondering how many miles are they puting in ?. After 18 minutes they were back on the house roof and I roughly estimated they had covered 15-20 miles.

I noticed him down the street has been in touch with Mike Smith [Off His Hill] enquiring for tips on how to win !!.

and any secrets.

Dedication and hard work is all that is required if you ask me, with the training basket still redundant.

 

Those who are dedicated to the sport put in the hard work imo peter. I must ask peter what age are your young birds as i notice from your last post your still feeding start plus?

[peter pandy]

Wiley, The young bird team are 15 weeks old and were reared on Frazers All Round Supreme with Beans added, When weaned they went onto Start Plus as a base feed with Energy added for the last 4 feeds before basketing. This is what was recommended to me by top distance men three years past and all I am attempting to do now is establish new imports into a formidable race team which is harder in this day and age with the amount of Bassas, Losses are to be expected every time they are basketed and one wonders if fancied birds are not up to scratch or are being taken in their endeavour to get home so one just has to persevere and send race entries in the best condition possible.

[peter pandy]

With the rain commencing just after I gave the grass its weekly cut at lunch time and has not abated since, the youngsters have not had their evening excercise and on going through them it's doubtful I will have any to send this week apart from the Pied cock which sat out last week.

Almost all have lost their cover flights but I still wont contemplate "the darkness" just to waste them in future years IMO. Wee Tam in the club is the only member to be on it and although coming 2nd in the first race and 1st in the second race he has struggled to get a bird home since so their is no guarantee with the system. Not unless you are sending upward of 60 to get a result.

I remember in the sixties and Seventies their was a 3 bird club within the Fed run by Hunter Millar with about 300 members nominating three birds maximimum it was an honour to win the pools and made for more excitment with the mob flyers rarely getting a sniff and the accumulator always seemed to go to the last race.

When you think about it the club would pay out on a full pooler £40 when the average wage was £12, Aye the good auld days when the fancier treated everbody tae a pint in the pub and go hame blootered..

[dkj]

hi peter

seen this on pigeon chat,

 

Creating a long distance champion

by Besant and Son » Wed Aug 10, 2016 11:00 pm

 

Educating youngsters - creating a champion?

 

Its the time of year when everyone wants to educate their youngsters but arent sure how to go about it. Lots of fanciers saying what shall I do? Do we train to 50 miles /do we train to 15 miles or do we just not bother at all.

 

It depends what you are setting out to do - for me young bird racing is the easiest. It really is you get out what you put in - probably 60% fancier 40% pigeon. For many years when we wanted to win absolutely everything the theory was that all youngsters should be tossed to 50 miles to the coast as many times as possible - ideally singles / doubles - and it worked - we won the young bird national and whenever we used that system we performed very well in the Open result - the birds were machines - if thats what you want to do pick a training spot and repeat repeat repeat.

 

The last few years with time in mind we laid off it - we didnt see the value in ridiculous amounts of roadwork, the astronomical losses due to BOP attacks and it didnt really correlate to birds that performed as old birds - in fact our best long distance pigeons never raced as youngbirds and barely trained (may be 15 miles a couple of times) - what they did do was exercise - they roamed for hours on end north south east west of their own accord until November - we could never have taught them that and they were latebreds!!!

 

From a team of around 15 latebreds those pigeons won 1st National, 1st International Agen 499 miles 2015, 4th and 7th National Agen 2016 and 12th National Tarbes 563 miles 2016.

 

Make your own mind up but dont be fooled that running down the road will create the champion - a champion is born you just need to hold on to him and don't throw it away!!

 

There are many roads - but if you havent got the right birds neither will work the better the birds the less work

Besant and Son

BRONZE MEDAL

 

 

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[geordie1234]

I also seen this and have spoking to Anthony Beasent before about it.... thought it was a top class post... champion long distance racers are born not made....

[dal2]

The people who don't train or race their younguns.....do they breed less? Or do they start with the same number and get whittled doon just the same?

[peter pandy]

Very interesting Davy and believe it or not I have been contemplating moving my 20 later bred youngsters into a spare 10x6 loft and leaving it open 24 Hrs for them to do as they please all winter. Moving them into the race loft in the spring. It will be worth noticing how they respond as it is open to the North wind.

Oh aye, and hopper feed them Scotch Beans with nowt else.

Will keep all informed on the site.

[geordie1234]

Very interesting Davy and believe it or not I have been contemplating moving my 20 later bred youngsters into a spare 10x6 loft and leaving it open 24 Hrs for them to do as they please all winter. Moving them into the race loft in the spring. It will be worth noticing how they respond as it is open to the North wind.

Oh aye, and hopper feed them Scotch Beans with nowt else.

Will keep all informed on the site.

Got around 20 myself to do it with nothing ventured nothing gained

[ALF]

Peter we had some late breds last year the late bred hens got out every day as they were in a section on there own with some unrung hens 4 20 mile tosses and then into the racing 4/6 are still there raced out to 170mls we had 5 or 6 late bred Cocks tae kept in all winter and all were away by the 4th race

Tells it's own story pal

[ALF]

Ps...we had 9 later wans this year but we have been pushing them on and had 8 of them at Otterburn on Saturday including 1 no long stopped squeaking 1st flight halfway up but he was there within 30 mins of our timer...

[Rooster J. Cogburn]

If I look back the last seven years since I restarted racing the birds a lot of my best best pigeons have been late breds,with some not seeing a race basket until their second year.

 

I usually put a few youngsters on darkness coz I'm a desperate c * nt,but I often think on the whole we ask too much of our young birds

[Delboy]

If I look back the last seven years since I restarted racing the birds a lot of my best best pigeons have been late breds,with some not seeing a race basket until their second year.

 

I usually put a few youngsters on darkness coz I'm a desperate c * nt,but I often think on the whole we ask too much of our young birds

 

I think we could send our ybs to 300 miles at least twice and yearlings to 500 at least once and it would be progression in the sport. Instead we are losing distance and tending to mollycoddle them.omo

[ALF]

I think we could send our ybs to 300 miles at least twice and yearlings to 500 at least once and it would be progression in the sport. Instead we are losing distance and tending to mollycoddle them.omo

 

We had some of our yb's at both yb nationals last year Del in fact 1 hen started at Sedgefield as a baby and went to the remaining fed races both yb nationals and every fed race this year as a yearling and her only sleep oot was Ypres were she came early next morning

[Rooster J. Cogburn]

I think we could send our ybs to 300 miles at least twice and yearlings to 500 at least once and it would be progression in the sport. Instead we are losing distance and tending to mollycoddle them.omo

 

You're a hard task master Mr Hay .

 

 

Noticed from a few good lofts I've visited in the last two or three years, fanciers covering all bases.

 

one fancier springs to mind who takes around 120 youngsters-60 are darkened and raced weekly out to 300 miles,60 are given half a dozen tosses to 30 miles and left til the following year.

 

Don't think something along those lines would do any harm if you've the space and patience.

 

 

 

[Delboy]

You're a hard task master Mr Hay .

 

 

Noticed from a few good lofts I've visited in the last two or three years, fanciers covering all bases.

 

one fancier springs to mind who takes around 120 youngsters-60 are darkened and raced weekly out to 300 miles,60 are given half a dozen tosses to 30 miles and left til the following year.

 

Don't think something along those lines would do any harm if you've the space and patience.

 

Na, ive nae space so they go lol

 

We had some of our yb's at both yb nationals last year Del in fact 1 hen started at Sedgefield as a baby and went to the remaining fed races both yb nationals and every fed race this year as a yearling and her only sleep oot was Ypres were she came early next morning

 

That's what im talking about Alan, they can surprise us when we challenge them.

[peter pandy]

MMMM, all very interesting, but I dont send them if I feel they dont have the feathers to give them a fighting chance, with no training basket work I aint going to send them to upward of 160 miles for their first fly in the hope they can make it home after all they are still babies and wont mature till they have went through a complete moult. Perhaps when I have an established team and know their capabilities it will be a different conundrum but till then I will remain cautious.

[peter pandy]

Friday afternoon saw me spending hours observing the youngsters and it was apparent the Pied Cock was the only bird worth sending and on handling all, he was, along with a Blue Hen which had laid her second egg on Tuesday night the only two I would be sending for the 160 mile race with full wings.

Come Saturday and they are liberated at 09.15 in a 15mph Westerly so I reckon on 4hrs. 13.15 comes and goes so does 14.15 and a 14.30 the Pied Cock drops into the house gutter for a quick drink and wastes little time dropping down onto the loft roof where he has a drink from the loft gutter, promptly closes his eyes burrows his head into his crop and goes to sleep..

Thirty minutes later I leave him and walk down the street to see them down there and am welcomed with you have a cracker the day as they still have nothing from 8 when one drops into them as I am giving them my tale of woe and they perk up at beating me.

I put the rest of the youngsters out at 19.00 and the Pied Cock aroused himself and went off with them for a burl and was first into the loft at the end of the excercise period.

I can honestly say I remained calm the whole afternoon and evening resigning myself to being a very poor fancier unable to figure out why or what I have done to upset the Bassa as it torments me in such a way. I have never in a lifetime of keeping pigeons ever had a bird like this and wee Mary was really surprised at my calm demeanour instead off my ranting and raving which should have been the norm..Still not seen the Blue Hen.

Monday, and I decide nothing will ever have a drink from the loft gutter again and get the ladders out climb up and promptly fall off injuring my Bum,Back,Legs,Elbows Hands and Pride. When I came too the young girl from next door who had been sunbathing had seen me fall and came rushing round to help but ignored my plea for the Kiss of Life and instead went and informed Mary to call an ambulance who came rushing down complaining she was missing some Olympic final on the telly and what was I doing up those stupid ladders at my age.

Aye, it aw happens at my end of the street..As wee Mary rubs pain relieving cream onto my bum and slaps it for fun..

[Delboy]

hahahaha good stuff Pedro

[andy Burgess]

:emoticon-0136-giggle:

[peter pandy]

SU 16 M 1536 returned to-night from Appleby 10 days ago burst up across the chest and I would be obliged if the person who had him in his loft would be kind enough to return the ETS ring you stole..

[tommy bhoys]

SU 16 M 1536 returned to-night from Appleby 10 days ago burst up across the chest and I would be obliged if the person who had him in his loft would be kind enough to return the ETS ring you stole..

not had any this year peter but sure pisses me aff when it happens tae me these people are not pigeon fanciers just scum of this great hobby

[peter pandy]

Aye Tommy, make yourself a thief for £1.50. Scum bag..