Think I Might Have A Problem

[billt]

I am sure that the Chevita vaccine is not approved in the UK (and therefore should not be used...!)

 

And we wonder why we still have it here when it should have been cleared up years ago, wrong products and not enough care taken when vaccinating in my opinion

[billy_g]

Forgot to all my birds were done with colomvac

[billt]

Forgot to all my birds were done with colomvac

 

Your vaccinated birds went down with it Billy ?

[billy_g]

Never seen it before billt but that's what happened,it was the most sole destroying thing that I have ever seen,

[billt]

Never seen it before billt but that's what happened,it was the most sole destroying thing that I have ever seen,

 

Great sympathy for you mate, not what you expect after vaccination

[harky]

I am sure that the Chevita vaccine is not approved in the UK (and therefore should not be used...!)

I think when it comes to saving the lives of your birds you would use it.omo

[billy_g]

Thanks I'm still trying to build a team of birds after that ,but it seems to be doo racing,

[billt]

I think when it comes to saving the lives of your birds you would use it.omo

 

Not when you have approved products, why would you use non-approved vaccine

[harky]

Not when you have approved products, why would you use non-approved vaccine

If you have not got approved vaccines at hand, would you just let yer doos die.

Edited September 20, 2014 by harky

[billt]

If you have not got approved vaccines at hand, would you just let yer doos die.

 

If they are not approved you shouldn't have them at hand, they shouldn't be in the Country, But I have great sympathy with anyone having their birds contract the dreaded PMV

[harky]

If they are not approved you shouldn't have them at hand, they shouldn't be in the Country, But I have great sympathy with anyone having their birds contract the dreaded PMV

Fook half the things here should not be in the country.lol

[billy_g]

Don't know what it is but pigeons pick up anything going never had it when I was 13/14 years old water and a vitamin that was their lot,

[billt]

Don't know what it is but pigeons pick up anything going never had it when I was 13/14 years old water and a vitamin that was their lot,

 

I think the numbers game has something to do with it, 20 youngsters was enough many years ago, now we're averaging more like 60, overcrowding is the name

[billy_g]

Never had any more than 34 maybe 6 late breeds ,had a problem this season with a yearling that was looked after by a non fancier for a week was taken to the fife transporter at Alnwick ,the bird got home ok at 5.25 on the Saturday ,Monday it was all the symptoms of y/bird sickness ,but it was only the yearlings that went down with it,no older birds ,yearlings were never trained or race that season as my intention was to pack in,put the ill yearling in beside the young birds they soon got over y/bird sickness this season

[walterboswell59]

walter get if touch with stb and it will be sorted in 5 days

dan its parramixo virus they have m8 not youngbird sickness theres no quick fix with this it has to run its course its the black cap for the worse of them and treat for secondery infections with the rest and vacinate all again the sickening thing is its all yb that were jagged and raced that are taking it the worse the unjagged latebreds in the same section are not half as bad but i think im over the worse of it now looking a bit better this morning again thanks for the offer of vacines from you guys had a bottle in the fridge and done all the youngbirds and latebreds still seems to be in the one section but have ordered vacine to do the old birds and stock birds as they were due to be done anyway trying to keep the loft floor dry is my problem just now any one know where i can buy a roll of fed basket paper or even half a roll that i can just lift each morning and burn

[dal2]

dan its parramixo virus they have m8 not youngbird sickness theres no quick fix with this it has to run its course its the black cap for the worse of them and treat for secondery infections with the rest and vacinate all again the sickening thing is its all yb that were jagged and raced that are taking it the worse the unjagged latebreds in the same section are not half as bad but i think im over the worse of it now looking a bit better this morning again thanks for the offer of vacines from you guys had a bottle in the fridge and done all the youngbirds and latebreds still seems to be in the one section but have ordered vacine to do the old birds and stock birds as they were due to be done anyway trying to keep the loft floor dry is my problem just now any one know where i can buy a roll of fed basket paper or even half a roll that i can just lift each morning and burn

 

 

If your old birds are ok Walter do you think its wise to jag when the birds are at their weakest(moulting)? Im no sure i might well be fine

 

What about a wee bit sharp sand and cat litter mixed for the floor?

[clockman]

If it was me I would of contacted avian vet Ian Cameron MRCVS to get to the bottom of it,jmo

[WulDon]

I am sure that the Chevita vaccine is not approved in the UK (and therefore should not be used...!)

 

 

why would that be? if its openly sold in UK?

[WulDon]

Fook half the things here should not be in the country.lol

 

 

 

aye and that's not just drugs! lol

[REDCHEQHEN]

why would that be? if its openly sold in UK?

 

 

By whom?

 

It is not openly sold in the UK I have never seen it - and a google on the internet shows it is only available from abroad - when you consider it has to be refrigerated then what sort of condition would it be in when entering the country ? I believe there are only TWO approved vaccines - Nobilis and Colombovac

[walterboswell59]

If your old birds are ok Walter do you think its wise to jag when the birds are at their weakest(moulting)? Im no sure i might well be fine

 

What about a wee bit sharp sand and cat litter mixed for the floor?

know what your saying steven but ive jagged the old birds in november past two years some heavy in the moult did no harm at all they were due to be done anyway as for sand and cat litter theres plenty i could use then shovel up the problem is me not being fit enough to do it m8 plus have pigeon lung the basket paper is easy lifted and easy to get rid of but think im over the worse bit some of the droppings are getting back to normal dont know if the antibiotics or the jagging again is working or both but deff seeing a difference in them just praying the wee latebreds in the section next door dont get it but deff not keen on this nobilis vacine and dell put me off the other stuff and theres nothing else so just have to work with whats on the market its not looking as if ill lose anymore im hopeing to be just about over it bye next weekend so im doing something right i put some adenosan on the feeding today to see if it helps dry them up not drinking as much water as they were so think thats a good sign they could not get enough before so i think there on the mend fingers crossed big thanks to bernie who is trying to get me some basket paper nearer home would have been better but just have to get on with it im a bit happyer today but could cry when i think of what i had to dispose of but could have been much worse ill get by

[Delboy]

Walter, believe me when I tell you this isn't the worst disease your birds can get.It is obviously the worst visually but if your pigeons manage to eat and drink they will come through it. The torticollis of the neck is scary visually but it is only equivalent of us having a twitch and the birds don't suffer with it. I had it in the autumn of 2000 and one of my yearlings that took it came out the following year and won 1st west sect 5th Open Gold cup, so there was no lasting effects on them. Sometimes you can get the odd one left with a slight twist in neck but that's rare. Someone mentioned Chevita200, I used this once and my birds came down with pmv shortly after.Chevita never answered my emails to them so I wouldn't use them again.

[peter pandy]

Walter, I am sorry to hear of your birds problem and understand what you are going through. I am sure I posted a couple of years back the problems I faced when taking over C.J.Williams loft. However I will remind those that perhaps missed it. When I arrived the birds were in a shocking state and I was TOTALLY convinced they had contracted Paramyxo BUT it was confined to the 8 section stock loft only, They were stumbling about on the floor which was soaking wet, Scouring, Necks twisted and unable to look after themselves. MAFF had been informed the day before I arrived and presented themselves to me clad out in disposable suits, wellies and face masks proceeding to take blood samples, scrapings from the floor and swabs from every orafice. They supplied me with Vircon for foot baths and reccomended we visit the loft as little as possible. The MAFF vet returned a couple of days later with the results to inform us that it was NOT Paramyxo but could not tell us what the symptons were as they were only concerned with the notifiable diseases and what they had was'nt.

I found out at a later date that the previous manager had misused antibiotics which I am not saying or accusing you off HOWEVER to be perfectly sure you are duty bound to notify the MAFF and it costs nothing except a phone call to set your mind at rest. You above all have encouraged us on Basics not to blind treat and dare I say it you are not qualified to ascertain what the problem is Walter. I sincerely hope their is a satisfactory conclusion as you have a marvellous team in your loft.

[tyson]

walter put some bicarbonate of soda 2tsps to a drinker thet will settle there insides and dry them up

[WulDon]

By whom?

 

It is not openly sold in the UK I have never seen it - and a google on the internet shows it is only available from abroad - when you consider it has to be refrigerated then what sort of condition would it be in when entering the country ? I believe there are only TWO approved vaccines - Nobilis and Colombovac

 

 

 

well obviously you cant give me a straight answer or any solid backup regarding this vaccine, I for one will continue to purchase and use until I have it in writing that I cannot and giving full reason why... posting statements in only BELIEF aint concrete enough for me I'm afraid...