Young Bird Averages And Paying A Price

[Tony C]

Would feds & clubs benefit from doing away with young bird averages? My thinking behind this is it could possibly stop people sending teams that are not 100% right just to remain in them............ and they do.

[geordie1234]

Would feds & clubs benefit from doing away with young bird averages? My thinking behind this is it could possibly stop people sending teams that are not 100% right just to remain in them............ and they do.

Good point tony

[robbiedoo.]

Would feds & clubs benefit from doing away with young bird averages? My thinking behind this is it could possibly stop people sending teams that are not 100% right just to remain in them............ and they do.

 

Proberly the best topic written on here since my time on the site.

[greenbar]

there are a lot of fanicers out there,who would send just for the sake of the averages,no mater the state of the bird,a lot of the times they never see the bird again,(jmo)

[1967]

Our club all birds MUST be jagged at least 30 days before racing starts . This year it was 35 Days I jag 90% of birds in club when I'm jagging the old birds all the members are done on the same day stock old birds the lot only 2 members I don't jag and they're trusted 100%

Our members are expected to have there birds well trained before racing starts .if not why not we put on enough training races for them 3. Members didn't go to the first race because they admitted they hadn't enough training

If any bird going through marking on a Friday has something wrong with it it dose not go no ifs no buts no maybes there has never been an argument about anyone's birds not going through . They know the rules

Our young birds are jagged together same day all birds over 14 days at least 30 days before racing starts club rule

Anyone that breeds lates is strongly advised to keep them with old birds not to let them mix with young bird race team and they will get jagged after racing ends

Our baskets on return from race are cleaned and sprayed not to be set up before a Wednesday they are sprayed again then shavings added

Cancelled race baskets sprayed with shavings in raked then sprayed again

Any member not happy with rules is more than welcome to find another club

All members are allocated a job to do and are more than happy to get on with it

When our panniers are waiting to be collected if anyone sees a bird that dose not look right it gets taken out basket ring taken and chucked up

In the past we have other clubs birds from panniers and sent them back in boxes

The biggest problem with federation s is small clubs with ghost members to make up the numbers only 2 or 3 members sending letting anything go through on marking night just to make the numbers up

 

Our clubs first race 6 members sent 187 birds losses 3 birds

2nd race 9 members sent 287 birds 7birds lost 2 birds injured

We will no doubt have a bad race or 2 at some point

But it won't be through our members doing the best they can for our birds

[kingbilly 1]

your club and fed combind evereges will be won with young birds thiss year no difrent frome any other year apart from the extra 2 races and if wee get another couble of hard races not many will finish the program its when the nw wind blows at 200ml with yb a lot of empty perches to be had if the averges where done away with for yb you couldent have a combind fed or club averges you would have to bin a lot of cups frome club and fed its the same with old birds pep chaseing avereges sending in hope somthing turns up

[Tony C]

Trophies would have to be put on the back burner & engraved 'not flown for' for the relevant year/s until a better solution is found...... that is if what I suggested is a solution. If things don't change they'll stay as they are.......... spiralling downwards at a rate of knots.

[kingbilly 1]

Trophies would have to be put on the back burner & engraved 'not flown for' for the relevant year/s until a better solution is found...... that is if what I suggested is a solution. If things don't change they'll stay as they are.......... spiralling downwards at a rate of knots.

yb have to be tested i dont meen every week but if you only gave them 2 to 3 races then you could grait a monster by breeding of them as yearlings before you no it you will have a loft full of yearlings when thay hit 250ml in a nw wind going down like snow of a dike not unles you have a family of doos you have tested for years and i do meen gg parents g parents and so on the racing pigeon as wee no it has changed not for the better if you go into any top loft who compet 50 to 500ml plus thars no any grait depth of older pigeons just look at lanarkshire and the snfc yearlings doing the biznes and getting doubled up 2 or more races by 280ml to 500ml

[yeboah]

Our club has not flown for any averages old or ybs even trophies for many years now

I have all the trophies lying in big boxes

It has been discussed at agm s and we have good intensions but another year passes and they are still boxed

Everyone races away happily

A very laid back club ours

We have for many many years had a gentleman s agreement only your first 3 count

We have all had good races where we could have taken multiple positions but none of us argue over the fact

[Tony C]

yb have to be tested i dont meen every week but if you only gave them 2 to 3 races then you could grait a monster by breeding of them as yearlings before you no it you will have a loft full of yearlings when thay hit 250ml in a nw wind going down like snow of a dike not unles you have a family of doos you have tested for years and i do meen gg parents g parents and so on the racing pigeon as wee no it has changed not for the better if you go into any top loft who compet 50 to 500ml plus thars no any grait depth of older pigeons just look at lanarkshire and the snfc yearlings doing the biznes and getting doubled up 2 or more races by 280ml to 500ml

I agree with what your saying but I cant see this interfering with what I suggested. If they're fit enough they can be go to every race.

[greenlands]

Hi Tony,

I always believe in letting people do their own thing,I used to love channel racing, you could send six get five on the day and with a bit of luck the other next day,now you can send six,might get one and might get another the next day.Can't see any point in it now but there are lads who like the water so I never vote against water races because I don't race.I would like to see young bird racing when the water races are on ?

Same with young bird racing/averages let them chase the glory,most lads round here are finished for the season after three or four disasters ? good luck to the lads who are still racing the bad race points are still to come ?

If you've got to breed a hundred young birds to fly the season then I can honestly say I won't be flying a full season,I don't breed young birds for the glory,where's the glory in loosing 60/80 young birds ?

This season thanks to my mate and his lad some of us have had the best training ever and I enjoyed every toss,looks like that will be the norm. from now on.Even a mid week club racing 70 mile every week.Enjoyment not punishment.

Everyone to their own,the old days have gone,I can bring to mind my late father shouting they're here and probably 100 + birds diving into various lofts in the village,now you get one and wait ten minutes looking for more.

[yeboah]

Hi Tony,

I always believe in letting people do their own thing,I used to love channel racing, you could send six get five on the day and with a bit of luck the other next day,now you can send six,might get one and might get another the next day.Can't see any point in it now but there are lads who like the water so I never vote against water races because I don't race.I would like to see young bird racing when the water races are on ?

Same with young bird racing/averages let them chase the glory,most lads round here are finished for the season after three or four disasters ? good luck to the lads who are still racing the bad race points are still to come ?

If you've got to breed a hundred young birds to fly the season then I can honestly say I won't be flying a full season,I don't breed young birds for the glory,where's the glory in loosing 60/80 young birds ?

This season thanks to my mate and his lad some of us have had the best training ever and I enjoyed every toss,looks like that will be the norm. from now on.Even a mid week club racing 70 mile every week.Enjoyment not punishment.

Everyone to their own,the old days have gone,I can bring to mind my late father shouting they're here and probably 100 + birds diving into various lofts in the village,now you get one and wait ten minutes looking for more.

What a very good honest post

[philg50]

Our club has not flown for any averages old or ybs even trophies for many years now

I have all the trophies lying in big boxes

It has been discussed at agm s and we have good intensions but another year passes and they are still boxed

Everyone races away happily

A very laid back club ours

We have for many many years had a gentleman s agreement only your first 3 count

We have all had good races where we could have taken multiple positions but none of us argue over the fact

Your club has a lot to be admired with your 3 bird limit counting The club i am in they seem to set great importance in filling the clock 5-6-7-positions in top ten then more positions through results up 30th place my comments are not driven by jealousy as i am not a serious flyer but more sympathy for their fellow clubmates.

[geordie1234]

Hi Tony,

I always believe in letting people do their own thing,I used to love channel racing, you could send six get five on the day and with a bit of luck the other next day,now you can send six,might get one and might get another the next day.Can't see any point in it now but there are lads who like the water so I never vote against water races because I don't race.I would like to see young bird racing when the water races are on ?

Same with young bird racing/averages let them chase the glory,most lads round here are finished for the season after three or four disasters ? good luck to the lads who are still racing the bad race points are still to come ?

If you've got to breed a hundred young birds to fly the season then I can honestly say I won't be flying a full season,I don't breed young birds for the glory,where's the glory in loosing 60/80 young birds ?

This season thanks to my mate and his lad some of us have had the best training ever and I enjoyed every toss,looks like that will be the norm. from now on.Even a mid week club racing 70 mile every week.Enjoyment not punishment.

Everyone to their own,the old days have gone,I can bring to mind my late father shouting they're here and probably 100 + birds diving into various lofts in the village,now you get one and wait ten minutes looking for more.

Cracking post and totally agree

[Paul Mac 31]

Personally I would like to see a point system instead of averages... a sort of a league... thing is with averages 9/10 its a one badvrace that decides who wins what... undoing the whole point of being really consistant over the season..

I know the english and forgein fanciers do it... maybe time to come out the dark ages and living the sport up some more

[kingbilly 1]

Personally I would like to see a point system instead of averages... a sort of a league... thing is with averages 9/10 its a one badvrace that decides who wins what... undoing the whole point of being really consistant over the season..

I know the english and forgein fanciers do it... maybe time to come out the dark ages and living the sport up some more

the one bad race is someones good race and if it was a points thing use would only have to race 6 races and shut up shop come on now paul get real its the west of scotland where in lol ops i forgot you and your big pal budgie is in the east

[Big Davie]

the one bad race is someones good race and if it was a points thing use would only have to race 6 races and shut up shop come on now paul get real its the west of scotland where in lol ops i forgot you and your big pal budgie is in the east

Guid son !!! LOL

[Paul Mac 31]

Still stuck in the past tam.....lol...

[hotrod]

Got to agree with Paul here , I can remember years ago one guy in our club won or nearly won every race bar one a disaster ,where he never timed as did most ,the guy that timed from that race well his name went on the trophy as average winner ,but apart from that one race he would have been about 2days behind the other guy . Oh and it wasn't a Chanel race that was a bad one it was a mid distance race .a one day race , he got one early next morning as well ,but race was closed .

[Paul Mac 31]

Exactly.... you can win 17/18 races ..be hours or days in front an not win the combined averages... due to most of the time a disaster.. so infact it becomes the bad race across the board that picks ur trophy winners.

[Guest stb-]

Exactly.... you can win 17/18 races ..be hours or days in front an not win the combined averages... due to most of the time a disaster.. so infact it becomes the bad race across the board that picks ur trophy winners.

and what about the guys who have poor races every week then get a good race which wins them a prize trophy average etc are they guys no allowed a turn cause you have one bad race , sounds like wanting yer cake and eating it . Averages are just that and there there, for the person who times every race albeit could be last evey week .Points are tootaly diffo . I know of clubs where guys are club champions on points in england and never send a doo bye 200 miles but take 1 to 10 at all the short races where that is easier done , (just need to look at fed reasults some hammer them in at short races and pile up points but no body hammers them in at 300 miles plus the same way0 Thats what point trophy for but dont try and take away a trophy that somone else has a cxhance of winning just bacause you cant win it bye race 6

 

and what about the guys who have poor races every week then get a good race which wins them a prize trophy average etc are they guys no allowed a turn cause you have one bad race , sounds like wanting yer cake and eating it . Averages are just that and there there, for the person who times every race albeit could be last evey week .Points are tootaly diffo . I know of clubs where guys are club champions on points in england and never send a doo bye 200 miles but take 1 to 10 at all the short races where that is easier done , (just need to look at fed reasults some hammer them in at short races and pile up points but no body hammers them in at 300 miles plus the same way0 Thats what point trophy for but dont try and take away a trophy that somone else has a cxhance of winning just bacause you cant win it bye race 6

next move having races won on co -efficient lol

[grdkeith]

Would feds & clubs benefit from doing away with young bird averages? My thinking behind this is it could possibly stop people sending teams that are not 100% right just to remain in them............ and they do.

 

surely you got to be in it to win it!! that is the nature of competition

[kingbilly 1]

Exactly.... you can win 17/18 races ..be hours or days in front an not win the combined averages... due to most of the time a disaster.. so infact it becomes the bad race across the board that picks ur trophy winners.

disasters and bad races i seem to do ok its the 1800ypm i dont so am saying no

[kingbilly 1]

Got to agree with Paul here , I can remember years ago one guy in our club won or nearly won every race bar one a disaster ,where he never timed as did most ,the guy that timed from that race well his name went on the trophy as average winner ,but apart from that one race he would have been about 2days behind the other guy . Oh and it wasn't a Chanel race that was a bad one it was a mid distance race .a one day race , he got one early next morning as well ,but race was closed .

thats wot doo racing is all about the wee man days behind gets a turn and you want to take it of him becaus the fancer whos don all the wining up till then has a bad race you should be pleased for the under dog if wee doht have them in each club the games f every club has them the fancers that dont win much but keep sending in hope for that day and you want to take it of them no no no lol

[geordie1234]

thats wot doo racing is all about the wee man days behind gets a turn and you want to take it of him becaus the fancer whos don all the wining up till then has a bad race you should be pleased for the under dog if wee doht have them in each club the games f every club has them the fancers that dont win much but keep sending in hope for that day and you want to take it of them no no no lol

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