Latebreds "novice Asks Old Hand"

[andy Burgess]

Walter has mentioned latebreds to us , and how usefull they can be with filling the spaces many of us have with youngbird losses or by pairing some special pairings . I am hoping he can tell us more ?

[walterboswell59]

be glad to as its been an eye opener to me to about 5 years ago good friend john quinn was over to see me and as he was handling some of my stock birds he was telling me he had won a good race with a latebred i told him i had no faith in latebred always lost them and now just bred an odd one for the stock loft but john said he had a few good ones and that if you look after them they will do you a turn after john went away i started to think of what he said we breed latebred from our best birds there older brothers and sisters win why dont they and the answer to that is us the fancier why because when we breed a latebred what do we do with it we put it in with the old birds or the yb that are now moulting and dont want to fly for more than five min round the loft then back down and locked up half the winter the latebreds are learning nothing so they are backward the following season and go down i had got hammerd in the last yb race that year trying to win a combined ave and it turned out a stinker after 3 days i had 5 yb left from 30 sent i was sick no yearlings again i had 22 in the nest just hatched in the 1st week in september off my best birds they were weaned and put in a section on there own and let out everyday on there own and alowed range once i had them doing an hour or two they were put in a basket all night then given a 12 mile toss next morning i did this everyday for a week 1st week in november in the basket all night with drinkers on and 12 miles next day then the weather was bad for a week or so the first break i got i tossed them 20 miles and got another three and got bopped on the 11th toss 1st week in december so i stoped them they were then out every day at first light in all weather and they ranged everyday till the first week in march when i started training them again same way basket at night 12 mile toss everyday for a week i then stepped them up to 20 miles for the next two weeks then into the training van for another week or ten days learning to break droped 2 with the bop attacks and sent 20 late breds my 5 yearlings and 20 old birds to the first race and was 1st 2nd 3rd and 4th club 2nd sect 5th open with 4 late breds the next week 1 2 3 club the next 2nd 4th 6th and 2 or three in the first 6 in the 4th winning first four race ave we were now at 160 180 miles so i stoped them after five races and had only droped four from the 22 i started with i have now did this every year since and these same birds go on and score in the inland nationals for me as 2 year old late breds eastbourne bovington and newberry this year so for anyone thats been wiped out with youngbirds hear is a way to replenish your team if you are prepared to put the work into them and have better returns than with a yb team if there good birds they will win for you and when they do stop them till next year remember there only babies treat them like yb 5 races and you have a good team for the folowing year

[MIK]

be glad to as its been an eye opener to me to about 5 years ago good friend john quinn was over to see me and as he was handling some of my stock birds he was telling me he had won a good race with a latebred i told him i had no faith in latebred always lost them and now just bred an odd one for the stock loft but john said he had a few good ones and that if you look after them they will do you a turn after john went away i started to think of what he said we breed latebred from our best birds there older brothers and sisters win why dont they and the answer to that is us the fancier why because when we breed a latebred what do we do with it we put it in with the old birds or the yb that are now moulting and dont want to fly for more than five min round the loft then back down and locked up half the winter the latebreds are learning nothing so they are backward the following season and go down i had got hammerd in the last yb race that year trying to win a combined ave and it turned out a stinker after 3 days i had 5 yb left from 30 sent i was sick no yearlings again i had 22 in the nest just hatched in the 1st week in september off my best birds they were weaned and put in a section on there own and let out everyday on there own and alowed range once i had them doing an hour or two they were put in a basket all night then given a 12 mile toss next morning i did this everyday for a week 1st week in november in the basket all night with drinkers on and 12 miles next day then the weather was bad for a week or so the first break i got i tossed them 20 miles and got another three and got bopped on the 11th toss 1st week in december so i stoped them they were then out every day at first light in all weather and they ranged everyday till the first week in march when i started training them again same way basket at night 12 mile toss everyday for a week i then stepped them up to 20 miles for the next two weeks then into the training van for another week or ten days learning to break droped 2 with the bop attacks and sent 20 late breds my 5 yearlings and 20 old birds to the first race and was 1st 2nd 3rd and 4th club 2nd sect 5th open with 4 late breds the next week 1 2 3 club the next 2nd 4th 6th and 2 or three in the first 6 in the 4th winning first four race ave we were now at 160 180 miles so i stoped them after five races and had only droped four from the 22 i started with i have now did this every year since and these same birds go on and score in the inland nationals for me as 2 year old late breds eastbourne bovington and newberry this year so for anyone thats been wiped out with youngbirds hear is a way to replenish your team if you are prepared to put the work into them and have better returns than with a yb team if there good birds they will win for you and when they do stop them till next year remember there only babies treat them like yb 5 races and you have a good team for the folowing year

 

 

brilliant insight to ur methods with LBs Walter

 

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Mick

[andy Burgess]

that's just the sort of information I was looking for (late Billy King) r.i.p. used to say latebreds are our future . I too have scored well with them , although 2 tosses at 3 mile done for me, I will certainly look at some for next year now.

[blaz]

another good read walter.when you think of it if you are taking any latebreeds their normaly bred of your best racing pigeon.that after a race season are at their most healthy their fittest and best condision they could be in. so the goodness in their baby milk will be at its very best their enargy levals will be high giving them plenty of time and goodness to put in to their yb,s. the cock in my avater is a late breed and 1 of my best birds through racing and breeding.

[ForestForever74]

Bred 5 latebreds this year and like most I have never had any confidence in them, as they always seem the first to be dropped but this year they have been treated just like the yb's only starting training later but they had the same yb training programme and any late comers from yb races or those that were reported and brought home were also sent with the late breds so in the end had a team of 10 training hard and the difference in them so far has been amazing. They are all falling to bits now so they will get all the help they need with that and then put back on the road once recovered for another few weeks weather permitting. The work has definitely been put in with them and will continue to be put in and hopefully this will reap some rewards for next season.

 

Hearing members saying that they are putting latebreds to inland nationals puzzled me but managed to figure it out ourselves. Wish I had read this post 3 years ago though.

[alec guinness]

Bred 5 latebreds this year and like most I have never had any confidence in them, as they always seem the first to be dropped but this year they have been treated just like the yb's only starting training later but they had the same yb training programme and any late comers from yb races or those that were reported and brought home were also sent with the late breds so in the end had a team of 10 training hard and the difference in them so far has been amazing. They are all falling to bits now so they will get all the help they need with that and then put back on the road once recovered for another few weeks weather permitting. The work has definitely been put in with them and will continue to be put in and hopefully this will reap some rewards for next season.

 

Hearing members saying that they are putting latebreds to inland nationals puzzled me but managed to figure it out ourselves. Wish I had read this post 3 years ago though.

 

Good post,latebreds can be very handy birds if looked after properly.

[andy Burgess]

I wonder how many have latebreds this season ??

[William Reid]

I wonder how many have latebreds this season ??

24 for me Andy some for stock and some to race .the last two added to the team today

[eastcoaster]

24 for me Andy some for stock and some to race .the last two added to the team today

Breed around a dozen every year , they only get maybe 3 tosses as ybs then about 6 as yearlings and don't get first race till 2 yr old by that time they are more mature and like adults , not been going long on my own but they have held their own .

[andy Burgess]

I thought Walter,s post might have got a few more reply,s ??

[geordie1234]

For me I think the main thing is to keep the latebreds separate so they bunch up and range like normal young birds...if they dont range they will drap like flies imo

[Delboy]

For me I think the main thing is to keep the latebreds separate so they bunch up and range like normal young birds...if they dont range they will drap like flies imo

 

That's very true George.The bottom line is,good doos are good doos, no matter when ye breed them. Ive been 2nd west region Gold cup with a 3 yr old latebred ( never in basket in year of birth )and its mother was 1st West Region Gold cup but was early bred and had every yb race.Bottom line is they were both bred for it and were good doos, nothing more. Late breds or early breds, no difference in percentage of good doos, imo.

[Kyleakin Lofts]

None of mine ever range never mind the later bred ones, having said that I can see for about 30 miles south, west and north, so when they are up flying who knows how far they can see. You may gather I live up a height.

[walterboswell59]

None of mine ever range never mind the later bred ones, having said that I can see for about 30 miles south, west and north, so when they are up flying who knows how far they can see. You may gather I live up a height.

give them a good feed the night before and let them out at first light and they should go m8

[VMS]

Started with 12 now down to 9

[walterboswell59]

Started with 12 now down to 9

ive had 3 good tosses from coalburn the last three days vince but got wee rumble last week at blackwood one in cleland one in jonhstone and two missing so stopped them a few days then moved them to coalburn if i get anothere 3 or 4 that will do them till next year

[Kyleakin Lofts]

give them a good feed the night before and let them out at first light and they should go m8

 

Done that and they don't. Gave them a light feed in the morning before letting them out and they don't. Seems they just don't range. The odd one or two have gone on a wander, but it is rare, they just don't seem to range. There are times when they are out of sight, but they usually appear fairly quickly and my understanding of ranging is they are away for hours, they don't.

[walterboswell59]

Done that and they don't. Gave them a light feed in the morning before letting them out and they don't. Seems they just don't range. The odd one or two have gone on a wander, but it is rare, they just don't seem to range. There are times when they are out of sight, but they usually appear fairly quickly and my understanding of ranging is they are away for hours, they don't.

strange one id have to get to the bottom of that there must be a reason m8

[Delboy]

Not strange at all, its what and how you are feeding that's stopping them range.

[eastcoaster]

Not sure ranging has much effect IMO , this year my ybs ranged great and flew crap! Last couple of years they never and flew ok with losses just the same ,also this year sent a yb out the garage loft at only 8weeks old still no tossing as a test , sent her to Appleby she took 2 weeks but she made it . Who knows all roads lead to the top am jist no there yet .ps the garage loft has no ybs just old birds .

[Delboy]

Not sure ranging has much effect IMO , this year my ybs ranged great and flew crap! Last couple of years they never and flew ok with losses just the same ,also this year sent a yb out the garage loft at only 8weeks old still no tossing as a test , sent her to Appleby she took 2 weeks but she made it . Who knows all roads lead to the top am jist no there yet .ps the garage loft has no ybs just old birds .

 

Bad doos range as well Colin.Im not saying your doos were bad, im saying ranging has nothing to do with the calibre of pigeons.

[eastcoaster]

Bad doos range as well Colin.Im not saying your doos were bad, im saying ranging has nothing to do with the calibre of pigeons.

I agree del , but think this years ybs will prove to be my best , I hope . When racing with the brother a few years ago our ybs got some kind of virus just at the time they were kitting together so never flew much for weeks and never left the area we missed first race and won most of the rest but they were tossed a lot so it just makes me wonder if they have to range before tossing .

[Kyleakin Lofts]

Not strange at all, its what and how you are feeding that's stopping them range.

 

What should the feeding be if this is the case because I have tried several different types of mixes?

[geordie1234]

IMO hungary youngbirds will never range