Latebreds "novice Asks Old Hand"

[Delboy]

What should the feeding be if this is the case because I have tried several different types of mixes?

 

high carbs, low or no protein.Put them on barley/depurative for a couple of days and watch them go

[Delboy]

I agree del , but think this years ybs will prove to be my best , I hope . When racing with the brother a few years ago our ybs got some kind of virus just at the time they were kitting together so never flew much for weeks and never left the area we missed first race and won most of the rest but they were tossed a lot so it just makes me wonder if they have to range before tossing .

 

I would say I would prefer them ranging/kiting before getting tossed. Something is usually hanging over them if they are fed right and not flying well around the loft.Darkness/early bred ybs don't range the same as naturals either in my experience, this is probably because of their sex drive kicking in quicker.

[Guest stb-]

Bad doos range as well Colin.Im not saying your doos were bad, im saying ranging has nothing to do with the calibre of pigeons.

mines can range all day when the percy visits :emoticon-0179-headbang:

[JohnQuinn]

With my latebreds I leave well alone, no tossing or forced exercise at the loft in the year of birth.

Over the years i have tried all sorts with my latebreds and have came to the conclusion that the best will do what is asked of them as yearlings, regardless of how they are managed as Yb's, the others will go down early on in the program. On average i would hazard a guess that only 1 or 2/10 will do well racing when they get into the 2yr old stage.

 

That Might look a bit skinny on the success front, but if you breed 60 for racing as Yb's, you'll be Very Lucky to get 6 or more to go on and score as 2yr olds at the distance, so the averages favour the latebreds to come on and perform well from the coast or across the channel as 2yr olds, that's how i see it anyway.

 

Also to reduce losses off the top of the loft i leave them in with the old birds, this is Proven (to me anyway) to work as the Ob's are reluctant to fly come the end of breeding/racing so hold the latebreds near the loft, reducing the chances of them being left behind somewhere when they take to the air in amongst ranging Yb's that mix with others whilst out.

[geordie1234]

With my latebreds I leave well alone, no tossing or forced exercise at the loft in the year of birth.

Over the years i have tried all sorts with my latebreds and have came to the conclusion that the best will do what is asked of them as yearlings, regardless of how they are managed as Yb's, the others will go down early on in the program. On average i would hazard a guess that only 1 or 2/10 will do well racing when they get into the 2yr old stage.

 

That Might look a bit skinny on the success front, but if you breed 60 for racing as Yb's, you'll be Very Lucky to get 6 or more to go on and score as 2yr olds at the distance, so the averages favour the latebreds to come on and perform well from the coast or across the channel as 2yr olds, that's how i see it anyway.

 

Also to reduce losses off the top of the loft i leave them in with the old birds, this is Proven (to me anyway) to work as the Ob's are reluctant to fly come the end of breeding/racing so hold the latebreds near the loft, reducing the chances of them being left behind somewhere when they take to the air in amongst ranging Yb's that mix with others whilst out.

The late Mr Deans said if you could get 2 ybs from 50 bred on a channel result by 2 year old you had an exceptional year breeding...when I say national result I'm meaning top 50-100

[William Reid]

high carbs, low or no protein.Put them on barley/depurative for a couple of days and watch them go

Most guys could half there feeding and would still be feeding the pigeons to much jmo

[blaz]

hears a question for you walter.whats the latest you would breed a latebreed .

[walterboswell59]

hears a question for you walter.whats the latest you would breed a latebreed .

i bred 2 last year that hatched on the 28 of november they were bred for the stock loft blas off my best racing hen and my best breeding cock i let them rear them because the cocks a prisoner and could not be paired to her in the racing loft incase he got out as he has bred 11 birds to score in the nationals she went down again when the youngsters were 15 days old and i stored these two eggs till 3rd week in january till i had a pair of feeders down so they have 2013 rings on i put the hen back in the racing loft 23rd of december she still had her 2 end flights to moult and that worried me a wee bit but she was fine and was paired again 16th of march and went on to score in both inland nationals taking 400 pounds in newbury

[andy Burgess]

i bred 2 last year that hatched on the 28 of november they were bred for the stock loft blas off my best racing hen and my best breeding cock i let them rear them because the cocks a prisoner and could not be paired to her in the racing loft incase he got out as he has bred 11 birds to score in the nationals she went down again when the youngsters were 15 days old and i stored these two eggs till 3rd week in january till i had a pair of feeders down so they have 2013 rings on i put the hen back in the racing loft 23rd of december she still had her 2 end flights to moult and that worried me a wee bit but she was fine and was paired again 16th of march and went on to score in both inland nationals taking 400 pounds in newbury

I,ll have a pair off them , if there going cheap pal

[JohnQuinn]

I,ll have a pair off them , if there going cheap pal

 

They say God loves a trier Andy

[andy Burgess]

They say God loves a trier Andy

I try hard every time ,,,,,,, theres a joke there somewhere

[William Reid]

I try hard every time ,,,,,,, theres a joke there somewhere

Walter is always short of hens Andy :emoticon-0136-giggle:

[walterboswell59]

I,ll have a pair off them , if there going cheap pal

ill see what i can do for you pal she already has two first west sections fed and two national tickets in four different races and she breeds winners to the problem is you dont get many yb off your national birds as you only want them to rear one or two youngsters and before you know it the birds gone and you have nothing or little off them thats why i breed late breds off my best and put a few in the stock loft and they always breed me something good m8 but the result of that is to many stock birds but if there breeding winners what do you do i am going to sell 4 stock cocks that have all bred firsts in next week or two when there finnish the moult i payed louella 500 pouns each for and two i bred my self as there brothers sisters sons and daughters are all breeding winners and like billy says im always short of hens but i said the same thing last year then could not do it lol its just so hard to part with proven breeders that you spend a life time trying to get but needs must pal

[Delboy]

i bred 2 last year that hatched on the 28 of november they were bred for the stock loft blas off my best racing hen and my best breeding cock i let them rear them because the cocks a prisoner and could not be paired to her in the racing loft incase he got out as he has bred 11 birds to score in the nationals she went down again when the youngsters were 15 days old and i stored these two eggs till 3rd week in january till i had a pair of feeders down so they have 2013 rings on i put the hen back in the racing loft 23rd of december she still had her 2 end flights to moult and that worried me a wee bit but she was fine and was paired again 16th of march and went on to score in both inland nationals taking 400 pounds in newbury

 

You've got a cock that's bred 11 birds to score in the national Walter,? Im sure a big stud would be interested in that one, get the dna done and your into a few quid.ps. I don't know anyone in Scotland with such a pigeon. Tell us all about this cock and what birds he has bred, :emoticon-0137-clapping:

[walterboswell59]

You've got a cock that's bred 11 birds to score in the national Walter,? Im sure a big stud would be interested in that one, get the dna done and your into a few quid.ps. I don't know anyone in Scotland with such a pigeon. Tell us all about this cock and what birds he has bred, :emoticon-0137-clapping:

that ones going no where dell and hes 15 this year m8 a dbl grandson of vlekje and smarged one hes also bred 9 first club winners with 4 different hens and his offspring are breeding them to

[walterboswell59]

without digging out the tickets dell 3 to score in newbury a few years ago and 3 this year 3 in ypres inc 7th section 45th open 2 in eastbourne inc 8th or 9th section in fact 13 cause 2 off him scored in the yb national two rab stb says hes never seen an eye like him dont know if thats good or bad lol there might even be more that i cant remember dell

[geordie1234]

without digging out the tickets dell 3 to score in newbury a few years ago and 3 this year 3 in ypres inc 7th section 45th open 2 in eastbourne inc 8th or 9th section in fact 13 cause 2 off him scored in the yb national two rab stb says hes never seen an eye like him dont know if thats good or bad lol there might even be more that i cant remember dell

Now that's quality mate

[Delboy]

That's one of the best stock cocks in Scotland but nobody has heard of it? You ask any top nat fancier in the west and they'll usually know the good birds about them .You must contact Louella who are responsible for it Walter with dna proof of its offspring and they will give you what you want for it and its offspring.Its funny, I never even knew you flew the nationals til this year m8 and ye ve got a stock cock like that.

[walterboswell59]

without digging out the tickets dell 3 to score in newbury a few years ago and 3 this year 3 in ypres inc 7th section 45th open 2 in eastbourne inc 8th or 9th section in fact 13 cause 2 off him scored in the yb national two rab stb says hes never seen an eye like him dont know if thats good or bad lol there might even be more that i cant remember dell

and by the way took him to an eye sign show and did not get a ticket but rab says ive a few with violet eyes one of them is that cocks daughter and she is the dam of 5 firsts with 2 scoring in maidstone national and 8th and 13th sect clermout this year with 2 different cocks and she is a young hen so looking forward to breeding her this year like a battery hen with the same cocks

[walterboswell59]

That's one of the best stock cocks in Scotland but nobody has heard of it? You ask any top nat fancier in the west and they'll usually know the good birds about them .You must contact Louella who are responsible for it Walter with dna proof of its offspring and they will give you what you want for it and its offspring.Its funny, I never even knew you flew the nationals til this year m8 and ye ve got a stock cock like that.

have a look back over the results not high up in the nationals till the past few years but getting tickets just the same loulla know about him and he would not be for sale at any price besides he is to old now dell i was more or less bull system with him for years running him with 3 or 4 hens a year breeding 24 yb off him the best of them i pair back together half bro and sister and do well with them he has not missed an egg till this year missed one of the last pair to come off him and stb got the pair before i dont take as many off him now maybe 6 or 8 with the last ones being latebreds think he was eight when i bought him but been a goldmine for me

[Delboy]

There ye go, paying £500 for an 8 yr old and hitting gold right away m8.Not many would try that but I would as I think old is gold

[walterboswell59]

just found 7 national tickets that i won in 2011 had not a bad year then to im afraid if there not in the first 12 or so in the section it does not mean a lot to me goes over my head a wee bit m8 as if your getting a prize for going if you know what i mean but every man to his own i know many would be happy with a 83 sect 407 th open just does not ring my bell maybe i just expect better or maybe its just auld age takes a wee bit more to get me excited i could never get my head round someone keeping 40 0r 50 birds timeing one in a national and being happy with there year what happend to the other 39 or 49 or am i just being to hard im out to win every race i go to wither its 60 miles or 600 we only send an odd yearling to the nationals the rest should be winning in club and fed imo

[walterboswell59]

There ye go, paying £500 for an 8 yr old and hitting gold right away m8.Not many would try that but I would as I think old is gold

did not pay 500 for him he was a cheap one 300 dell lol but payed 1300 pounds for two direct sons of debarcelona and they were 11 year olds and have plenty winners off them but for some reason there sons and daughters are better breeders than the old cocks one of them is 17 and not missed an egg the other missed an odd one gave him to billy 99 a wee while ago and filled them no bother payed 8oo pounds for the direct daughter of smarged 2 when paired to his own daughter got five years breeding off her and her and the old cocks blood is in almost every bird in the loft the house of aarden bought a full brother of one my debarcelona sons for 35oo at blackpool for one a bit younger so i got a bargain i think and mines breed winners would not part with these birds as no one has this blood any more that are prepared to sell 98 percent of the birds in my loft is at least a granchild of a 6 or 7 hundred mile national winner so im looking forward to getting better but as you know it does not always work out that way m8

[walterboswell59]

That's one of the best stock cocks in Scotland but nobody has heard of it? You ask any top nat fancier in the west and they'll usually know the good birds about them .You must contact Louella who are responsible for it Walter with dna proof of its offspring and they will give you what you want for it and its offspring.Its funny, I never even knew you flew the nationals til this year m8 and ye ve got a stock cock like that.

im no even good enough for a write up yet dell lol louella did one on me in the homing world not long after i got the aardens when id won 14 firsts and 4885 pounds with them had 4 birds from 5 sent in the first 12in sect of the snrpc club youngbird national only 12 birds timed on the day in sect and i had 4 of them was 4th and 9th sect and had 2 in between them and they did not put them on the result as my first bird won all the money and my 4th won the 10 pound nom i never went back ive now won over 13 thousand and 70 odd firsts with them dont know how many national tickets m8 never counted them to be honest

[Guest stb-]

without digging out the tickets dell 3 to score in newbury a few years ago and 3 this year 3 in ypres inc 7th section 45th open 2 in eastbourne inc 8th or 9th section in fact 13 cause 2 off him scored in the yb national two rab stb says hes never seen an eye like him dont know if thats good or bad lol there might even be more that i cant remember dell

yip eye is outstanding and the one i would have in 2 mins , and that was before walter told me what he had breed .

 

Hes also got a few other super duppers tucked away aswell .

 

his wee yearling hen he timed in clermont got super eye to for racing that was the one i fancied anyway lol