The 6 Feds Idea On Snfc/snrpc Thread

[K J Young]

Really not sure why anyone would want to not upset the SNFC ? Lanarkshire fed don't go with them and the send from Ayrshire (11000 rings distributed last year) is paltry imo The Amal should be from Stafford ONWARDS including the channel send. If fanciers want to go with SNFC fair enough but the geography of Scotland doesn't lend itself to "fair" national racing - fact

 

The West organisations should be aiming for their own semi-national organisation imo. It is simply a matter of establishing if we can get the numbers in terms of send to justify a full Amal programme within the next couple of seasons. Instead of a paltry send if we can get a racing line with a significant convoy then west lofts will be able to send teams to these races instead of the paltry send which seems to be the norm at the moment... that's the theory anyway??

 

Nothing is ever fair, do you think Ricky Young would have been as over the moon winning a semi national , I think not.

The Problem with birdage at the longer races is mostly caused at races from a shorter distance.

as for a significant convoy the quicker all feds get back down the west the better , the first time I convoyed the Amal at Salisbury there was a convoy of roughly 6000. The SNFC cant get that from the whole of Scotland these days.

[bibendium]

I can remember 2 full Catterral transporters plus a smaller transporter going full to Avranches from The old WCC in the 70,s changed days now.

[K J Young]

Changed your opinion Kenny? only a few weeks ago you seemed adamant that going down the East was your preference.

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What am not in favour of is changing the route ever second year , my opinion was, and i quote you were deluded if you thought west would give us better racing.

[bibendium]

I agree that changing every second year is not doing us any favours ,

IMO we should have stuck to the westerly route I can only judge on my own loft but I had better racing on the west route last season than I had this year on the East.

I think we should make up our minds and stick to it for at least 5 seasons.

As for the Combine I hope Ayrshire are an intregal part of it.

[Walter swanston]

I agree that changing every second year is not doing us any favours ,

IMO we should have stuck to the westerly route I can only judge on my own loft but I had better racing on the west route last season than I had this year on the East.

I think we should make up our minds and stick to it for at least 5 seasons.

As for the Combine I hope Ayrshire are an intregal part of it.

[Walter swanston]

In 2011 the Solway AGM put a three year deal on the race route on going down the so called west route, this continues until the end of the 2014 season, there have been mixed views on this decision but we have stuck by it.It is my personal opinion that for pigeon racing to survive in Scotland federations must cooperate and indeed where necessary amalgamate and this is a process I have advocated for some years.There is no doubt that it will be fraught with difficulty but I believe that it could be an idea whose time has come.

[K J Young]

I agree that changing every second year is not doing us any favours ,

IMO we should have stuck to the westerly route I can only judge on my own loft but I had better racing on the west route last season than I had this year on the East.

I think we should make up our minds and stick to it for at least 5 seasons.

As for the Combine I hope Ayrshire are an intregal part of it.

 

At last years EGM it was proposed that we stick to a programme for 3 years , and you no how that went.

as for the ones that voted against this, they could,nt get to stafford unless they went on the bus.

[Rooster J. Cogburn]

Why would we want to continue racing from the channel with 80% of the convoy from the South and East sections thereby even having an amal result would be skewed because of drag? No much use having a westerly programme and then sending with the SNFC and your birds suddenly coming out the east?

 

Not really worth having an amal for one or two races per season? It should be looking at the west of Scotland eventually racing a programme of races - the biggest fed in Scotland don't even have the National races on their programme ...

 

Rooster,

 

isn't the NW fed invited to the amal?

 

I couldnae tell ye blucock, I’ve only ever seen or heard of the idea on here.

 

If it was a serious proposition and the NW fed was eligible to partake, the current office bearers are Scott Morrison(scottym7), Martin Conlin(aye ready), James Jack and myself. I’m assuming one or all of us would need to be made clear on what exactly was on the table to present to the NW fed members at the AGM to see if they were keen on the idea.

 

The Northwest fed was once part of the Central and East of Scotland Amal. I can’t speak for the body of the membership but looking to the future, if this type of amalgamation was to become the reality, I personally think it makes a lot of sense geographically for the Northwest fed to be involved with the feds mentioned at the start of the thread.

 

It would all depend on what is being proposed, whether it be joint convoying in the second half of the old bird programme, one young bird race, a yearling derby etc etc.

[walterboswell59]

To get fanciers opinions about what they would like done about the west racing with the 5

Feds from say Stafford ,saves hijacking the SNFC/ SNRPC ?. in my opinion I think it's its

A step in the right direction and it should be on the AGM agenda of the 5 Feds let the members

Say what they want..

agree with you 100 percent gulkie we have tell our offials what we want and the agm is the place to bring it up m8

[tiger]

I couldnae tell ye blucock, I’ve only ever seen or heard of the idea on here.

 

If it was a serious proposition and the NW fed was eligible to partake, the current office bearers are Scott Morrison(scottym7), Martin Conlin(aye ready), James Jack and myself. I’m assuming one or all of us would need to be made clear on what exactly was on the table to present to the NW fed members at the AGM to see if they were keen on the idea.

 

The Northwest fed was once part of the Central and East of Scotland Amal. I can’t speak for the body of the membership but looking to the future, if this type of amalgamation was to become the reality, I personally think it makes a lot of sense geographically for the Northwest fed to be involved with the feds mentioned at the start of the thread.

 

It would all depend on what is being proposed, whether it be joint convoying in the second half of the old bird programme, one young bird race, a yearling derby etc etc.

 

 

 

its time the av fed central & nw fed and fauldhouse were looking at the same format , jmo

[walterboswell59]

its obvious we need some sort of boudary line can anyone put up a map of scotland say from the borders to the very north of scotland so we can see whats involved and what feds are west and which are east that would be a start and let us all see whos where and move on from there john quinn has offerd to speak to any fed that flys from the west of the country to get the ball rolling so its up to members of feds to let there offcials know there interested we have talked about something like this for years here is a chance to get it up and running and who knows where it could lead get a line drawn down the centre of the country that the majority of the west feds agree on and work from there imo

[We man]

To get fanciers opinions about what they would like done about the west racing with the 5

Feds from say Stafford ,saves hijacking the SNFC/ SNRPC ?. in my opinion I think it's its

A step in the right direction and it should be on the AGM agenda of the 5 Feds let the members

Say what they want..

The best thing since sliced bread,it was made clear from J Quinn that it was not a breakaway from the SNFC or imo SNRPC,so members of both who wish can race with both of them,so i think we who want the West Combine or Amal should concentrate on getting this up and running

and anyone who is against it can carry on doing what they are doing at present and take no part in this suggestion,the ball is rolling and i know plenty who are behind it,TIME FOR CHANGE.

[gulkie]

It's good to see so many interested and I have spoke to other fanciers that are not on here

And they like the idea ,I agree with you Walter who knows where these talkes can lead to

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[JohnQuinn]

Why would we want to continue racing from the channel with 80% of the convoy from the South and East sections thereby even having an amal result would be skewed because of drag? No much use having a westerly programme and then sending with the SNFC and your birds suddenly coming out the east?

 

Not really worth having an amal for one or two races per season? It should be looking at the west of Scotland eventually racing a programme of races - the biggest fed in Scotland don't even have the National races on their programme ...

 

Rooster,

 

isn't the NW fed invited to the amal?

 

Would be difficult to include the NW when you's have almost disqualified yourselves by publicly slating the Geraldy Transporters and in particular the aluminium crates.

3 or 4 of the organisations who have expressed an interest use Geraldy transport, so say for example a channel race was put in place or a Coast race with under 3,000 birds at a future date, chances are they would be transported by a Geraldy transporter no matter who was doing the convoying. ??

 

[just ask me]

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[just ask me]

doing it now lol

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[aye ready]

Would be difficult to include the NW when you's have almost disqualified yourselves by publicly slating the Geraldy Transporters and in particular the aluminium crates.

3 or 4 of the organisations who have expressed an interest use Geraldy transport, so say for example a channel race was put in place or a Coast race with under 3,000 birds at a future date, chances are they would be transported by a Geraldy transporter no matter who was doing the convoying. ??

john can i ask who publicly slated the geraldy transporters you can pm me if you don't want names put on an open forum

[geordie1234]

We should forget about combine and amalgamations just now...the main thing for me is to get us all convoyed together and reducing the cost etc of sending doos and hopefully getting good racing and returns

 

john can i ask who publicly slated the geraldy transporters you can pm me if you don't want names put on an open forum

Was it not the transporter fellow on here?

[JohnQuinn]

Are we talking yb only? Not sure I would like to see entries being taken from the SNFC national but think that the week before the yb nat should be considered an option, getting our birds out to the distance required and a mix up before the nat.

 

We're not talking at all yet Steven, but imo, no it would not be confined to a Yb race.

 

The idea is to organise IF POSSIBLE joint convoying, if all parties concerned are happy with how that goes then we can look at forming an Amalgamation.

 

Neither do i like the term "semi national" and personally would not like to use the word National at all in regards to this idea, which is all it is at the moment. A lot of talking, compromise and good will has to be brought into it and if that can be achieved we might just be onto something with this. Cheers, John.

[peter pandy]

A little food for thought John, The logistics of such a proposal would have to determine the basketing or crating of the birds and would those Feds who basket when a Geraldy is transporting require a central marking point with Geraldy crates or vice versa.

I would assume after looking at previous posts that it would in fact be Geraldy transportation that would take preference over baskets and wonder how many of the 6 Feds have access to them. As the logistics create a problem how would we rectify it to the satisfaction of all.

[Rooster J. Cogburn]

Would be difficult to include the NW when you's have almost disqualified yourselves by publicly slating the Geraldy Transporters and in particular the aluminium crates.

3 or 4 of the organisations who have expressed an interest use Geraldy transport, so say for example a channel race was put in place or a Coast race with under 3,000 birds at a future date, chances are they would be transported by a Geraldy transporter no matter who was doing the convoying. ??

 

I don’t think this reason alone would be strong enough to exclude an entire federation John.

 

Every member of every fed and organisation will have their own ideas on what is the best transport option. It would be madness to exclude them from racing if the birds were going in the opposite of what they thought was the ideal.

 

Some on here have slandered the traditional type of transporter and gone on to win hundreds of pounds using them with the SNFC. It would be crazy of the SNFC not to let them compete would it not?

 

The same can be said for many things. I for one believe the NW fed race their birds on the wrong line of flight as do others. If we want to go west but the fed goes east should we not be allowed to race?

 

There are individuals I know personally in the NW fed who believe Geraldys to be the ideal way to transport birds. So the views you have chosen to highlight are not representing the NW fed but the individuals who posted them.

 

If, of course, there were valid reasons to exclude the NW fed from this potential Amal then fair enough, but a handful of people speaking against a method of transporting pigeons on an internet forum is not one of them in my eyes.

 

If the invitation was extended to the Northwest fed with details on races, transporters, marking etc etc. it would be for the members to take the terms on board and decide at AGM if they wanted to incorporate it into their racing, not one or two people sitting at a computer.

[dms5686]

its a great idea but personaly I would only want people in the races who are in the west section for national racing so no Solway or nw fed for me

[VMS]

its a great idea but personaly I would only want people in the races who are in the west section for national racing so no Solway or nw fed for me

Agree 100%

[JADE]

its a great idea but personaly I would only want people in the races who are in the west section for national racing so no Solway or nw fed for me

 

so much for trying to improve racing for all. why do you not want Solway involved when your birds are coming up that way