tiger Posted September 19, 2013 Report Share Posted September 19, 2013 Aye but John isnae in Sec E just like all the fanciers around him. Look at the result closely John, you simply cannot make a case for a level playing field in the YBN I mean come on ??john think about it MC neil birds prove it. you keep lf boys right , not saying anymore on this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnQuinn Posted September 19, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 19, 2013 Its a hard one to call John, I know its much harder and esp in a west wind but Section E still got tickets at 11am next day... I think if some of the birds timed on the night that got nothing and there lofts were in section E there birds would have went close to timing on night or first thing in morning. Its very thin lines and not saying anyone is better than others but as Tiger says I think John McNeil would have still had a good few on night even in section E If let up in a split lib we wpildn't have to wait until the next mornning for our doos and if John McNeil flew in Section B or C he would take TOP ppsotions there too. Ifs and buts don't come into it though, Facts are what matter and Fact is John races in Sec D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VMS Posted September 19, 2013 Report Share Posted September 19, 2013 Think only fanciers in section E and F know the truth regarding this ,time to vote with our feet .time for Lanarkshire to have open races for both sections Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moscow master Posted September 19, 2013 Report Share Posted September 19, 2013 My solution would be forget the ybn in the west Lanarkshire ,ayrshire ,Glasgow ,solway .have an amalgamation for the young birds from Cheltenham I think this would be better supported than the national and a good gamble as well with far better returns as well as for the ybn ill never be at it supposing I had 100 young birds left as it learns them sweet fa I only enter races I can win no point in entering something you can't win omo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnQuinn Posted September 19, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 19, 2013 My solution would be forget the ybn in the west Lanarkshire ,ayrshire ,Glasgow ,solway .have an amalgamation for the young birds from Cheltenham I think this would be better supported than the national and a good gamble as well with far better returns as well as for the ybn ill never be at it supposing I had 100 young birds left as it learns them sweet fa I only enter races I can win no point in entering something you can't win omo Finally someone gets it, it's YOUNG BIRD racing we are talking about and we have NO CHANCE of winning it. Thanks Ricky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue pied Posted September 19, 2013 Report Share Posted September 19, 2013 My solution would be forget the ybn in the west Lanarkshire ,ayrshire ,Glasgow ,solway .have an amalgamation for the young birds from Cheltenham I think this would be better supported than the national and a good gamble as well with far better returns as well as for the ybn ill never be at it supposing I had 100 young birds left as it learns them sweet fa I only enter races I can win no point in entering something you can't win omogreat idea, would be great if it happened Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter pandy Posted September 19, 2013 Report Share Posted September 19, 2013 EM !!! Whit aboot the Midland Fed ? or are we tae be left oot an aw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moscow master Posted September 19, 2013 Report Share Posted September 19, 2013 EM !!! Whit aboot the Midland Fed ? or are we tae be left oot an aw.Oops aye you's can come tae if it'll stop yi fae gurnning lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnQuinn Posted September 19, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 19, 2013 EM !!! Whit aboot the Midland Fed ? or are we tae be left oot an aw. Ye'll need tae wear a Wset Sec shirt and ditch the East sec Hawaai shirt but that apart yer more than welcome Peter lolol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walterboswell59 Posted September 19, 2013 Report Share Posted September 19, 2013 My solution would be forget the ybn in the west Lanarkshire ,ayrshire ,Glasgow ,solway .have an amalgamation for the young birds from Cheltenham I think this would be better supported than the national and a good gamble as well with far better returns as well as for the ybn ill never be at it supposing I had 100 young birds left as it learns them sweet fa I only enter races I can win no point in entering something you can't win omogood one ricky id go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delboy Posted September 19, 2013 Report Share Posted September 19, 2013 Folk have lost the plot with the yb nat.It was only a few years ago that it was decided to just publish the first 10 in the Open ( for trophy purposes ) because of the unfairness of the race. It was decided that it would be a sectional race and all section winners in the yb nat would be equal winners to a degree, but somewhere in the last wee while this has been lost and forgotten and we have reverted back to printing all the open prizes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter pandy Posted September 19, 2013 Report Share Posted September 19, 2013 Ye'll need tae wear a Wset Sec shirt and ditch the East sec Hawaai shirt but that apart yer more than welcome Peter lolol I told you previously John my shirts are not from Hawaii, They are from all the Caribbean islands I have visited and you can mock me all you like but I know you are only jealous of my attire. LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnQuinn Posted September 19, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 19, 2013 I told you previously John my shirts are not from Hawaii, They are from all the Caribbean islands I have visited and you can mock me all you like but I know you are only jealous of my attire. LOL Right ok I admit it a wish a had the neck tae wear wan tae lmao Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter pandy Posted September 19, 2013 Report Share Posted September 19, 2013 Right ok I admit it a wish a had the neck tae wear wan tae lmao The brass neck you have would complement any shirt you wore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alec guinness Posted September 19, 2013 Report Share Posted September 19, 2013 Folk have lost the plot with the yb nat.It was only a few years ago that it was decided to just publish the first 10 in the Open ( for trophy purposes ) because of the unfairness of the race. It was decided that it would be a sectional race and all section winners in the yb nat would be equal winners to a degree, but somewhere in the last wee while this has been lost and forgotten and we have reverted back to printing all the open prizes. Yes del spot on,unfortunately on this thread there are fanciers who are at the wind up and I for one cannot believe some of the above nonsense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordie1234 Posted September 19, 2013 Report Share Posted September 19, 2013 Bunch a wumen doo men lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
novo10 Posted September 19, 2013 Report Share Posted September 19, 2013 Yes del spot on,unfortunately on this thread there are fanciers who are at the wind up and I for one cannot believe some of the above nonsense. john its always about the west what about us who fly into the worse bit of region d when it comes to young bird national Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alec guinness Posted September 19, 2013 Report Share Posted September 19, 2013 john its always about the west what about us who fly into the worse bit of region d when it comes to young bird national For me not so much about the west Derek but more about how peoples continued nonsense as to how the YB national result unfolds year after year beggars belief !!!! Ps Angus Orr timed a cracker into your section where as always there will be the odd good bird timed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elanco Posted September 19, 2013 Report Share Posted September 19, 2013 Get back to what the SNFC is all about, long distance racing. Do away with inland and young bird national. Have 4 water races, 2 from Ypres either side of Alencon & Tours, that makes it fair for most . If you want to stick to fed races , good on you if you want to test them further , go with the SNFC. With the decline in this sport we need to be singing from the same song sheet....will it happen , no feckin chance. That was some dream . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JADE Posted September 19, 2013 Report Share Posted September 19, 2013 In the young bird race you can only try to win your section. The open will always be dominated by the section favoured by the conditions (mainly the east obviously). It has not been pointed out that Billy Bilsland beat the rest of his section including the olr and others in his own area by 20 minutes so he is obviously head and shoulders above the rest of the fanciers in his area Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rooster J. Cogburn Posted September 19, 2013 Report Share Posted September 19, 2013 Get back to what the SNFC is all about, long distance racing. Do away with inland and young bird national. Have 4 water races, 2 from Ypres either side of Alencon & Tours, that makes it fair for most . If you want to stick to fed races , good on you if you want to test them further , go with the SNFC. With the decline in this sport we need to be singing from the same song sheet....will it happen , no feckin chance. That was some dream . Keep the faith Elanco They might one day realise you were right, just got to hope for the sake of future inland and cross channel racing in Scotland that day doesn't come too late. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordie1234 Posted September 19, 2013 Report Share Posted September 19, 2013 In the young bird race you can only try to win your section. The open will always be dominated by the section favoured by the conditions (mainly the east obviously). It has not been pointed out that Billy Bilsland beat the rest of his section including the olr and others in his own area by 20 minutes so he is obviously head and shoulders above the rest of the fanciers in his area That's what I was saying a few pages back he has flown like a train he isny dominating it just because of were he stays Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VMS Posted September 19, 2013 Report Share Posted September 19, 2013 Get back to what the SNFC is all about, long distance racing. Do away with inland and young bird national. Have 4 water races, 2 from Ypres either side of Alencon & Tours, that makes it fair for most . If you want to stick to fed races , good on you if you want to test them further , go with the SNFC. With the decline in this sport we need to be singing from the same song sheet....will it happen , no feckin chance. That was some dream .Agree leave the inland races to the relevant federations Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Little Posted September 20, 2013 Report Share Posted September 20, 2013 My solution would be forget the ybn in the west Lanarkshire ,ayrshire ,Glasgow ,solway .have an amalgamation for the young birds from Cheltenham I think this would be better supported than the national and a good gamble as well with far better returns as well as for the ybn ill never be at it supposing I had 100 young birds left as it learns them sweet fa I only enter races I can win no point in entering something you can't win omo Excellent post mate I'll fully support this as our days of sending youngsters to the SNFC are finished Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blaz Posted September 20, 2013 Report Share Posted September 20, 2013 Why is that Gary?? I am not that familiar with the geography in that corner of the country (but i am the results) so please excuse my ignorance. This is only a straight forward question i have no motive other than curiosity asking you this. atb John. it is 15 mile from nats to us but a good bit more flying.gogal maps and have a wee look at ayton to wallyford.my yb.s did not go to yb nat this year .with a one loft in our sec might no be going yb nat next year.my ybs did go with my club and fed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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