Snfc Region Changes

[Guest bigda]

Theres an irony with this proposal by Mr Lynch.Myself and Hoody fly in section E in spite of being surrounded with guys in section F. With the new boundaries, we are put in the WEST REGION while the others that fly in section F around us will be in the MID WEST REGION.

 

 

would that make you and hoody the furthest west fliers, and the neighbours 1 mile from the east of you

middle distance in the region and that there borders don't close till it hits Dundee

[Delboy]

AND WOULD YOU INTRODUCE THE ANY UNION RULE TO ALLOW THE TRUE LONG DISTANCE FANCIERS OV SCOTLAND COMPETE AGAINST EACH OTHER REGARDLESS OF POLITICS RATHER THAN BOTH NATIONALS BE WEAKENED OR NO NATIONAL TBH.??????????????????????

 

 

Old and boring topic Vinnie, if the rebel members had stayed with the SNFC for a year then they couldve changed it the following year as it was narrowly beat.Instead it was dummies oot the pram stuff.

[VMS]

Old and boring topic Vinnie, if the rebel members had stayed with the SNFC for a year then they couldve changed it the following year as it was narrowly beat.Instead it was dummies oot the pram stuff.

THATS NOT REALLY ANSWERING THE QUESTAIN DEL,ARE YOU HAPPY COMPETING AGAINST HALF THE SECTION,BECAUSE THAT IS REALLY WHAT IS HAPPENING IN BOTH CLUBS IN CERTAIN SECTIONS.

[aye ready]

to me looking in to this i think all the guys in the lanarkshire some at kirky cumbernauld, and Broxburn armadale, that fly the national better get it sorted or you will never see your bird get a silver or a gold award card they will be as rare as hens teeth no mater how hard you try trust me can you imagine all the time and effort put in when it will be near imposable to win anything you are better keeping the devil you have, than the devil you dont know, that will wreck your national

don't you have to get a section prize to qualify for awards and as the sections are not affected how will splitting the regions stop you getting an award,i may be wrong on this and stand to be corrected

[Delboy]

THATS NOT REALLY ANSWERING THE QUESTAIN DEL,ARE YOU HAPPY COMPETING AGAINST HALF THE SECTION,BECAUSE THAT IS REALLY WHAT IS HAPPENING IN BOTH CLUBS IN CERTAIN SECTIONS.

 

I think most are seeing sense m8 and coming back to the SNFC.Funny how the main guys in the SNRPC west section never actually left the SNFC and most fly in it now.Yes, I want to fly against everyone .

[Big Davie]

Your in the mid west Davy, East Kilbride is in the west.

Del, thought that would be the case, but as I a m also a member of the East Kilbride club and in the main that's the club I have raced in for the last ten years it only complicates matters further, I would be in the Mid west region and the remainder of the members would be in the West region, non starter as far as I'm concerned.

[VMS]

I think most are seeing sense m8 and coming back to the SNFC.Funny how the main guys in the SNRPC west section never actually left the SNFC and most fly in it now.Yes, I want to fly against everyone .

WOODS AND TREES DEL,LIKE RANGERS BEING PUT IN THE 3RD DIVISION.

[Delboy]

Del, thought that would be the case, but as I a m also a member of the East Kilbride club and in the main that's the club I have raced in for the last ten years it only complicates matters further, I would be in the Mid west region and the remainder of the members would be in the West region, non starter as far as I'm concerned.

 

Takes us back to what I was saying about me and Hoody, the rest of the KIRKY club is in section F Davie.Mind you, we chose to fly in section E because we felt it was more of a challenge.Us doing this is equivalent to the guys in the easterly part of section E deciding to fly in section D.

 

WOODS AND TREES DEL,LIKE RANGERS BEING PUT IN THE 3RD DIVISION.

 

WE ARE THE PEOPLE

[Guest bigda]

here is a result of what it could mean to the lanarkshire guys in the nat mid west race a race from Hastings say is 414 mile to Dundee and from Hastings to kirky it is 402 on a direct line from hasting to eyemouth it is 363 mile if the birds go this way this is only 1 mile from a true line of flight for a dunde bird, and the distance a bird has then to fly for the bird in Dundee is 52 mile to go, if both birds hit eyemouth them the kirky bird has 80 mile to get home a difference of then28 mile but once there bird get there it then has to give 12mile over fly and that then added together makes it 28 mile plus the 12 short measure = 40 mile of over fly and that is not taking in a predominantly west wind as it is now 363pluse80 equals 443 MILE NOW TO KIRKY AND STILL 415MILE TO DUNDEE

[Guest bigda]

don't you have to get a section prize to qualify for awards and as the sections are not affected how will splitting the regions stop you getting an award,i may be wrong on this and stand to be corrected

 

 

is every bird in the national not to be given the chance to win it, what do regions do for the national, the only thing i see it do, is increase the distance for others, but there is no burden on the shortest fliers. the guys in the lanarkshire are already 1 hour out of race time before the race starts, and can be as much as 3 hours out if the wind blows at 10 mile a hour against 3 hours can have you run out of time for awards

[DJWa]

is every bird in the national not to be given the chance to win it, what do regions do for the national, the only thing i see it do, is increase the distance for others, but there is no burden on the shortest fliers. the guys in the lanarkshire are already 1 hour out of race time before the race starts, and can be as much as 3 hours out if the wind blows at 10 mile a hour against 3 hours can have you run out of time for awards

 

and if the wind blows out the east you have the advantage danny

they come up the west ,lanarkshires route lastyear

 

check out the wind patterns over the last few years

the prodominant westerlys are no more m8

early in the season were getting north easterlys

[aye ready]

to me looking in to this i think all the guys in the lanarkshire some at kirky cumbernauld, and Broxburn armadale, that fly the national better get it sorted or you will never see your bird get a silver or a gold award card they will be as rare as hens teeth no mater how hard you try trust me can you imagine all the time and effort put in when it will be near imposable to win anything you are better keeping the devil you have, than the devil you dont know, that will wreck your national

 

and here was me reading that it was the doc who was thinking only of self interest,what about the lads in the extreme west down to the south west they wouldn't have to compete regionally with lads in camelon,bonnybridge ,denny who incidentally are about a mile west of falkirk which is in sect d,out of interest how many west sect winners have come out of these towns/villages in the last 15/20 years maybe someone could enlighten us

[Rooster J. Cogburn]

Agree with what Martin is saying

 

At the same time though I think back to an old story I was told as a wean. Its about a greedy dog and may be of interest to some members in favour of the proposed changes

 

The dog had a nice big juicy bone that it would walk around with.It looked into a burn one day and thought to itself "That dog has a bigger bone than me".

 

It opened it's mouth to try and grab the other dogs bone and it turned out he was looking at his own reflection

 

I worry that the fanciers in our area may face the same fate as the greedy dog if the motion is carried.We might end up with our bone falling in a burn

 

I'm not a psychic mind you and we will find out in due course if the proposal to change the regions has the desired affect.I have my doubts that there will be any differences worth note

 

Again this is only an opinion and I wouldnae fall out with anyone over the issue.

[Delboy]

Very, very few members in section E will pool in the MID WEST REGION if the proposal goes through imo. I have another couple of things that should throw the proposal into touch but ill keep them for the AGM

[Big Davie]

Very, very few members in section E will pool in the MID WEST REGION if the proposal goes through imo. I have another couple of things that should throw the proposal into touch but ill keep them for the AGM

Del, was just thinking the same as this last night, if this proposal were to be adopted then I would stop pooling in the region and use this money to pool heavier in sect E.

[Delboy]

Del, was just thinking the same as this last night, if this proposal were to be adopted then I would stop pooling in the region and use this money to pool heavier in sect E.

 

Exactly Davie.

[JADE]

No been much said about the East side. Theres a wee corner of Fife (dont know if there are any members there) and the likes of Arbroath Brechin and Montrose to be in a region with the golden triangle.

[dawdoo]

Very, very few members in section E will pool in the MID WEST REGION if the proposal goes through imo. I have another couple of things that should throw the proposal into touch but ill keep them for the AGM

 

got to agree with you this will be what happens,spoke to an auld dooman yesterday and he said to always remember"cowboys are the only fellas that chose to go west" a gid new year to all.

[Guest IB]

Think we need to put the main red herrings to bed so maybes saving a few red faces at the AGM.

 

1. The proposal does not affect Silver and Gold Awards. These are based on your bird winning an Open and Section position. The proposal does not change the Sections - A to G still remain as they are today.

 

2. There’s no question of Section D fanciers pooling in Section E or vice versa. The proposal does not affect the Sections, they remain as they are today.

 

3. Lanarkshire is not ‘west’ it is more or less in the middle of the country, just west of centre in the central belt. Look at the map Gareth Rankin posted. Where does the northern part of the line end?

 

4. Argyll, West Dunbartonshire, Renfrewshire, Ayrshire, ‘Wigtonshire’ (west part of Dumfries & Galloway) – that’s the true west part of the country, but they are expected to fly against folk in the centre.

 

5. Nowhere in any country except Alaska and Antartica does east suddenly become west. Theres a bit in the middle that’s neither east nor west. It’s called the centre.

 

 

On the proposal itself, IMO it is a step in the right direction, but it appears to take no account of where the main spread of lofts are, for example there’s very few north and west of ‘Dumbarton’ and 'Stirling', in the NW corner, or in SW corner. For example how many would be in that wee bit of the East Region in Fife in the proposal that takes in a tiny bit of the East Neuk?

[ALF]

Del, was just thinking the same as this last night, if this proposal were to be adopted then I would stop pooling in the region and use this money to pool heavier in sect E.

I think that's what everyone would do Davie and it would end up with no money to fly for in the region

[Delboy]

Think we need to put the main red herrings to bed so maybes saving a few red faces at the AGM.

 

1. The proposal does not affect Silver and Gold Awards. These are based on your bird winning an Open and Section position. The proposal does not change the Sections - A to G still remain as they are today.

 

2. There’s no question of Section D fanciers pooling in Section E or vice versa. The proposal does not affect the Sections, they remain as they are today.

3. Lanarkshire is not ‘west’ it is more or less in the middle of the country, just west of centre in the central belt. Look at the map Gareth Rankin posted. Where does the northern part of the line end?

 

4. Argyll, West Dunbartonshire, Renfrewshire, Ayrshire, ‘Wigtonshire’ (west part of Dumfries & Galloway) – that’s the true west part of the country, but they are expected to fly against folk in the centre.

 

5. Nowhere in any country except Alaska and Antartica does east suddenly become west. Theres a bit in the middle that’s neither east nor west. It’s called the centre.

 

 

On the proposal itself, IMO it is a step in the right direction, but it appears to take no account of where the main spread of lofts are, for example there’s very few north and west of ‘Dumbarton’ and 'Stirling', in the NW corner, or in SW corner. For example how many would be in that wee bit of the East Region in Fife in the proposal that takes in a tiny bit of the East Neuk?

 

 

1.A Silver/Gold award winner does not need an open position, only a section position.2.The proposal does affect the sections as they were ORIGINALLY meant to be.You will find out at the AGM.

[dawdoo]

Think we need to put the main red herrings to bed so maybes saving a few red faces at the AGM.

 

1. The proposal does not affect Silver and Gold Awards. These are based on your bird winning an Open and Section position. The proposal does not change the Sections - A to G still remain as they are today.

 

2. There’s no question of Section D fanciers pooling in Section E or vice versa. The proposal does not affect the Sections, they remain as they are today.

 

3. Lanarkshire is not ‘west’ it is more or less in the middle of the country, just west of centre in the central belt. Look at the map Gareth Rankin posted. Where does the northern part of the line end?

 

4. Argyll, West Dunbartonshire, Renfrewshire, Ayrshire, ‘Wigtonshire’ (west part of Dumfries & Galloway) – that’s the true west part of the country, but they are expected to fly against folk in the centre.

 

5. Nowhere in any country except Alaska and Antartica does east suddenly become west. Theres a bit in the middle that’s neither east nor west. It’s called the centre.

 

 

On the proposal itself, IMO it is a step in the right direction, but it appears to take no account of where the main spread of lofts are, for example there’s very few north and west of ‘Dumbarton’ and 'Stirling', in the NW corner, or in SW corner. For example how many would be in that wee bit of the East Region in Fife in the proposal that takes in a tiny bit of the East Neuk?

 

firstly dont think the west boys will give a hoot anyway as they just send their doos and all credit too them, but imo the big famous edinburgh fanciers will get rid of the lads at the bottom corner which will keep them happy.

[Rooster J. Cogburn]

Not sure of the word to use to describe it,but 'false' comes to mind

 

It will create even more false postions within the club than there already are.

 

You could have a pigeon in Eyemouth win the East Region and not win section B.

 

You could have a pigeon in Broxburn win the Mid West Region and not win Section D

 

and so on.

 

This is far too complicated and another way of letting fanciers kid themselves on they are winning something.

 

I don't think anybody will benefit out of it on the pool front and I don't think anybodies performances will be acknowledged as better or worst.

 

Needin to just race the doos and realise the cream will float to the top be it in the North,South,East or West

[Delboy]

Not sure of the word to use to describe it,but 'false' comes to mind

 

It will create even more false postions within the club than there already are.

 

You could have a pigeon in Eyemouth win the East Region and not win section B.

 

You could have a pigeon in Broxburn win the Mid West Region and not win Section D

 

and so on.

 

This is far too complicated and another way of letting fanciers kid themselves on they are winning something.

 

I don't think anybody will benefit out of it on the pool front and I don't think anybodies performances will be acknowledged as better or worst.

 

Needin to just race the doos and realise the cream will float to the top be it in the North,South,East or West

Well that was one up my sleeve Lewis. I can win the WEST REGION and not win section E ??????? IMO, THIS THROWS THE PROPOSAL INTO TOUCH

[Big Davie]

Well that was one up my sleeve Lewis. I can win the WEST REGION and not win section E ??????? IMO, THIS THROWS THE PROPOSAL INTO TOUCH

Del, Rooster, hadn't thought of that which could apply in a lot of cases, as an example , 1st West Region , 10th sect E doesn't ring true and IMO is *expletive removed* for elbow, probably have been better to keep for AGM but now food for thought. Taking this a bit further although a bit more extreme it is also possible to win the West Region without winning a prize in Sect E at all which is not impossible at the likes of Tours or Alencon which may only have approx 8 and 30 sect prizes respectively,or am I getting this wrong ??!!!