Snfc Region Changes

[lanarkshire lad]

Looks as if Danny has already made a name for himself on PIGEON BASICS. I would like to see him making a name for himself in the SNFC or LANARKSHIRE FED that's where the real pigeon men are.

[tiger]

Looks as if Danny has already made a name for himself on PIGEON BASICS. I would like to see him making a name for himself in the SNFC or LANARKSHIRE FED that's where the real pigeon men are.

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[Guest stb-]

It was a shambles as some have already said , the man is a baffoon , nothing about the first nat, nothing about transport improvement,and as for the picture show at the end what was that all about, and he is going to bring it up next year .lol had enough.

you would think with no support from the full commitee and the lack of support from the floor today you would think he would get the drift .

 

was there a new mamagement commitee picked as im sure a few said they were resighning but canny mind replacements being picked , must oh fell asleep then

[walterbmasson]

Yes he was unanimously put back in chair , I'm sure if someone put the hand up for the job they would have been given it no probs ,today was embarrassing , we never got the convoyers report , he never brought up about the delay to basketing ,after he spoke a wee bit about it in his opening speech , the meeting was over and he didn't close the meeting ,I think everybody just wanted to do the tv thingy. IM a dooman. Get me out of here . Think it will be my last as well ,plus the chairs fk I am aching after nearly 3 hrs in the most uncomfortable chairs I've ever sat my *expletive removed* on.

The convoyers report well stuart i recieved it and all they do is think about the distance birds the Alencon race report phoned R whyte at 5am good visability with high broken clouds at race point and all down the line of flight and the channel then decided they needed a nap, till 6am . ta see if the tyres o the transporter were holden up ta the heat, had another chatter at 6am what about dosent say, but conditions are the same then they decide they would let them go at 6-30 am could some one please hand this man a rule book and read rule 23 hours of fecking darkness is 5 1/2 hrs 4-30 ta 11pm whats this chat line going on for in perfect conditions when the birds should be in the sky there is birds in the race flying 645 miles and ta rub salt into the wounds there velocity has to be added on ta 11pm and this is happening every race AND THEY KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING SPORTS MEN

[eastcoaster]

you would think with no support from the full commitee and the lack of support from the floor today you would think he would get the drift .

 

was there a new mamagement commitee picked as im sure a few said they were resighning but canny mind replacements being picked , must oh fell asleep then

Think they just decided to carry on to keep the meeting going i was there at the very end and he thought the meeting went WELL expletive remove.

[DJWa]

The convoyers report well stuart i recieved it and all they do is think about the distance birds the Alencon race report phoned R whyte at 5am good visability with high broken clouds at race point and all down the line of flight and the channel then decided they needed a nap, till 6am . ta see if the tyres o the transporter were holden up ta the heat, had another chatter at 6am what about dosent say, but conditions are the same then they decide they would let them go at 6-30 am could some one please hand this man a rule book and read rule 23 hours of fecking darkness is 5 1/2 hrs 4-30 ta 11pm whats this chat line going on for in perfect conditions when the birds should be in the sky there is birds in the race flying 645 miles and ta rub salt into the wounds there velocity has to be added on ta 11pm and this is happening every race AND THEY KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING SPORTS MEN

walter if they wont lib early change the hours of darkness to 11.00 to 07.00

as thats about the time they like to lib them

[peter pandy]

The convoyers report well stuart i recieved it and all they do is think about the distance birds the Alencon race report phoned R whyte at 5am good visability with high broken clouds at race point and all down the line of flight and the channel then decided they needed a nap, till 6am . ta see if the tyres o the transporter were holden up ta the heat, had another chatter at 6am what about dosent say, but conditions are the same then they decide they would let them go at 6-30 am could some one please hand this man a rule book and read rule 23 hours of fecking darkness is 5 1/2 hrs 4-30 ta 11pm whats this chat line going on for in perfect conditions when the birds should be in the sky there is birds in the race flying 645 miles and ta rub salt into the wounds there velocity has to be added on ta 11pm and this is happening every race AND THEY KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING SPORTS MEN

 

Aye Walter yir certainly on the ball but please get yor facts correct. Sunrise in Paris 28th June 05.50 which is the time the sun comes ower the horizon. Wi dinnae hae bats that can flee in the dark...

[JohnQuinn]

Well i know how difficult it is to keep track of who said what and who is actually proposing something, losing track of the meeting is down to poor minuting not bad memory and it can happen at any meeting.

Anyone there knows i vehemently disagreed with the region changes and Phil new this before the meeting, prompting his opening remark that the proposal was down to him alone and had NO support from his committee.

The fact that this did not dissuade him from putting the proposal up for discussion is IMO the biggest concern for the future of the club. I was reminded the other day that if ANY committee member had Voted AGAINST the rest of the committee's proposal/wishes, that member was hauled up to explain himself to the rest of the committee and if his explanation was unsatisfactory he would either be removed from the committee or given a severe sanction regards his future on it.

The GOOD OLD DAYS were perhaps better than the present days and IMO the aforementioned course of events of the workings within the committee should still apply today.

 

On a CHEERY note, thank the heavens the proposal was defeated, IF!! the proposal does in fact get brought back to the table for the next AGM that would then be time to call into question the suitability of the President to carry on. Like him i am not frightened to be in a minority but when the Members make their wishes known in the fashion they did today the man at the top HAS to listen and if not HAS to be removed. JM(STRONG)O!!

[dal2]

Well i know how difficult it is to keep track of who said what and who is actually proposing something, losing track of the meeting is down to poor minuting not bad memory and it can happen at any meeting.

Anyone there knows i vehemently disagreed with the region changes and Phil new this before the meeting, prompting his opening remark that the proposal was down to him alone and had NO support from his committee.

The fact that this did not dissuade him from putting the proposal up for discussion is IMO the biggest concern for the future of the club. I was reminded the other day that if ANY committee member had Voted AGAINST the rest of the committee's proposal/wishes, that member was hauled up to explain himself to the rest of the committee and if his explanation was unsatisfactory he would either be removed from the committee or given a severe sanction regards his future on it.

The GOOD OLD DAYS were perhaps better than the present days and IMO the aforementioned course of events of the workings within the committee should still apply today.

 

On a CHEERY note, thank the heavens the proposal was defeated, IF!! the proposal does in fact get brought back to the table for the next AGM that would then be time to call into question the suitability of the President to carry on. Like him i am not frightened to be in a minority but when the Members make their wishes known in the fashion they did today the man at the top HAS to listen and if not HAS to be removed. JM(STRONG)O!!

Well done John for having the balls to stand up for your beliefs.

 

Do you not think that any proposal brought forward from a commitee member should have the ratification of said commitee first?

[lanarkshire lad]

Aye Walter yir certainly on the ball but please get yor facts correct. Sunrise in Paris 28th June 05.50 which is the time the sun comes ower the horizon. Wi dinnae hae bats that can flee in the dark...

Is that European time your looking at? don't forget there an hour ahead of us in Britain.

[JohnQuinn]

Well done John for having the balls to stand up for your beliefs.

 

Do you not think that any proposal brought forward from a commitee member should have the ratification of said commitee first?

 

Absolutely Steven yes, i do think that at least the Majority of the committee MUST support the proposal or it should not be brought to the meeting. Democracy is all about the Majorities and if ye find yerself in the Minority ye should accept it with good grace and move on but Phil was totally determined to bring that proposal today regardless of all our representations to him about the Negative affect it would have on the club if carried, that's what worries me.

[dal2]

Absolutely Steven yes, i do think that at least the Majority of the committee MUST support the proposal or it should not be brought to the meeting. Democracy is all about the Majorities and if ye find yerself in the Minority ye should accept it with good grace and move on but Phil was totally determined to bring that proposal today regardless of all our representations to him about the Negative affect it would have on the club if carried, that's what worries me.

Yip deffo for me as the outcome becomes unavoidable, as shown,.

 

The big picture must be looked at first and without the backing of the team you are meant to be leading then you are on a hiding to nowt, or worse, a destructive vibe sent thru the members??

 

It does not effect us doon here but the last thing any club needs is discontent?

[JohnQuinn]

Yip deffo for me as the outcome becomes unavoidable, as shown,.

 

The big picture must be looked at first and without the backing of the team you are meant to be leading then you are on a hiding to nowt, or worse, a destructive vibe sent thru the members??

 

It does not effect us doon here but the last thing any club needs is discontent?

 

Here Here, too true.

 

 

 

[DJWa]

Yip deffo for me as the outcome becomes unavoidable, as shown,.

 

The big picture must be looked at first and without the backing of the team you are meant to be leading then you are on a hiding to nowt, or worse, a destructive vibe sent thru the members??

 

It does not effect us doon here but the last thing any club needs is discontent?

 

to an extent steven

but all members have a right to their opinion and

even though not supported by the rest of the comittee

it may have the memberships backing.

 

 

after all any member can have a proposal raised off the floor.

at the agm, so why shouldnt any comittee member raise one aswell.

this being forced to back the rest of the comittee under threat of sanctions/expulsion is also out of order.

comittee members are representing their areas wishes

and as such should be a free vote

[peter pandy]

Is that European time your looking at? don't forget there an hour ahead of us in Britain.

GMT

[JohnQuinn]

to an extent steven

but all members have a right to their opinion and

even though not supported by the rest of the comittee

it may have the memberships backing.

 

 

after all any member can have a proposal raised off the floor.

at the agm, so why shouldnt any comittee member raise one aswell.

this being forced to back the rest of the comittee under threat of sanctions/expulsion is also out of order.

comittee members are representing their areas wishes

and as such should be a free vote

 

I respect your view Davy but such was the opposition to this particular issue within the committee it should never have been proposed, the Vote bears me out on this one.

[peter pandy]

Absolutely Steven yes, i do think that at least the Majority of the committee MUST support the proposal or it should not be brought to the meeting. Democracy is all about the Majorities and if ye find yerself in the Minority ye should accept it with good grace and move on but Phil was totally determined to bring that proposal today regardless of all our representations to him about the Negative affect it would have on the club if carried, that's what worries me.

Aye John and what concerned me was the fact the doc allowed you from the start to spout the garbage about losing hundreds of members and therefore uttering fear and discontent to the members present. Democracy works all ways and Phil is entitled as an individual member of our club to legitamately propose any competent motion as you or I do. Regarding your negativity and of your cohorts I personaly found it quite appalling.

[walterbmasson]

walter if they wont lib early change the hours of darkness to 11.00 to 07.00

as thats about the time they like to lib them

They call themselves sportsmen they let the doos up earlier in the inland races training tosses , the long haul races as you say there usual 7am so they hiv the long distance doos ta stay oot and lower the velocity and that is facts ?

[walterbmasson]

GMT

peter pan fit kin a brain hiv ye ive worked ower in france in bloody june in a ken the birds can go up at 5am ony time in june july if weather is good is that asking to much ?

[JohnQuinn]

Aye John and what concerned me was the fact the doc allowed you from the start to spout the garbage about losing hundreds of members and therefore uttering fear and discontent to the members present. Democracy works all ways and Phil is entitled as an individual member of our club to legitamately propose any competent motion as you or I do. Regarding your negativity and of your cohorts I personaly found it quite appalling.

 

Aye Peter ALL members are entitled to put any proposal forward BUT the President is no ORDINARY member and as such should keep away from controversy and should LISTEN to the men that the members have elected to represent their feelings, Phil dfidnae listen.

Asm for me "spouting", I'm a member too and am entitled to say what i wish at any meeeting ESPECIALLY matters that have opreviously been disciussed between 15 good men Elected to pass on the feelings/idea's of their particular area and that is what i !SPOUTED" as you put it.

[JohnQuinn]

Aye John and what concerned me was the fact the doc allowed you from the start to spout the garbage about losing hundreds of members and therefore uttering fear and discontent to the members present. Democracy works all ways and Phil is entitled as an individual member of our club to legitamately propose any competent motion as you or I do. Regarding your negativity and of your cohorts I personaly found it quite appalling.

 

Aye Peter ALL members are entitled to put any proposal forward BUT the President is no ORDINARY member and as such should keep away from controversy and should LISTEN to the men that the members have elected to represent their feelings, Phil dfidnae listen.

Asm for me "spouting", I'm a member too and am entitled to say what i wish at any meeeting ESPECIALLY matters that have opreviously been disciussed between 15 good men Elected to pass on the feelings/idea's of their particular area and that is what i !SPOUTED" as you put it.

[DJWa]

I respect your view Davy but such was the opposition to this particular issue within the committee it should never have been proposed, the Vote bears me out on this one.

 

not meaning this proposal in itself john

but referring to any proposal and the fact that any member in any position should be able to raise without reproach

 

remember the comittee are there to represent the members

and do thier bidding

and not be influenced by other comittee members voting

 

jmo

[JohnQuinn]

not meaning this proposal in itself john

but referring to any proposal and the fact that any member in any position should be able to raise without reproach

 

remember the comittee are there to represent the members

and do thier bidding

and not be influenced by other comittee members voting

 

jmo

 

That's ma whole point Davy, the Committee told Phil that their members had no appetite for this but he went ahead anyway, that's wrong to me and anyone other wise minded is entitled to their point but the Committee told him this was a divisive issue with no support and he didnae listen, that's my worry for the future, nothing else cos Phil is a GOOD man and as much as i disagreed with him he WAS entitled to his opinion but when a whole committee are telling you your wrong(the vote bore this out) then he should be listening to the committee and should have withdrawn his proposal.

[Guest IB]

Can’t say I was impressed at all. I knew from threads on here that a lot of people were not happy with the Region proposal, but that was no reason for the behaviour witnessed at the meeting. Everyone has a right to his and her opinion, yet there were some happy to see the man de-selected as President for voicing his. But naebody got killed in the rush to take his place, although the rumour mill had said there was someone ready and waiting to do that. The Committee are only human so can’t get it right all the time, witness the past management committee proposals put forward to the membership for the AGM that have been voted down by the membership at the meeting. He put his idea forward as a member and he is entitled to do that. He was also entitled to be heard, and when his time came, they didn’t want to hear anything he had to say – they wanted to go straight to a vote.

 

On a positive note I’m glad to see all race program proposals now being required to be notified in advance. We might have a chance of clearly understanding what is being proposed. Today I’d bother making out whether Newbury was being dropped in favour of another racepoint, but it turned out to be the race itself, and when Maidstone got the same treatment it was clear there was an agenda to drop the Inland Nationals – despite these being very popular – and funnily enough despite overwhelming support for keeping them at last AGM – yet the same came out this year again. Seems some can push what they think is right at more than one AGM, but if anybody else does so, he’s for the chop. Talk about double standards…

 

I hope the marking & transport arrangements will be looked at afresh by the committee. Delayed marking when weather forecasts are rubbish is a must – that’s what every Scottish Fed does - apart from Lanarkshire. 1 transporter going down the road when only 1 is needed is a must. Getting to the channel race point a lot faster and cheaper is a must, and I for one am not against joint convoying with any other Organisation, provided we have agreement that the birds are also liberated together. And feeding and watering the birds on 3 sides – outside the basket – is a must. Need to get a prototype basket of this type built in plastic, and /or aluminium.

[peter pandy]

Can’t say I was impressed at all. I knew from threads on here that a lot of people were not happy with the Region proposal, but that was no reason for the behaviour witnessed at the meeting. Everyone has a right to his and her opinion, yet there were some happy to see the man de-selected as President for voicing his. But naebody got killed in the rush to take his place, although the rumour mill had said there was someone ready and waiting to do that. The Committee are only human so can’t get it right all the time, witness the past management committee proposals put forward to the membership for the AGM that have been voted down by the membership at the meeting. He put his idea forward as a member and he is entitled to do that. He was also entitled to be heard, and when his time came, they didn’t want to hear anything he had to say – they wanted to go straight to a vote.

 

On a positive note I’m glad to see all race program proposals now being required to be notified in advance. We might have a chance of clearly understanding what is being proposed. Today I’d bother making out whether Newbury was being dropped in favour of another racepoint, but it turned out to be the race itself, and when Maidstone got the same treatment it was clear there was an agenda to drop the Inland Nationals – despite these being very popular – and funnily enough despite overwhelming support for keeping them at last AGM – yet the same came out this year again. Seems some can push what they think is right at more than one AGM, but if anybody else does so, he’s for the chop. Talk about double standards…

 

I hope the marking & transport arrangements will be looked at afresh by the committee. Delayed marking when weather forecasts are rubbish is a must – that’s what every Scottish Fed does - apart from Lanarkshire. 1 transporter going down the road when only 1 is needed is a must. Getting to the channel race point a lot faster and cheaper is a must, and I for one am not against joint convoying with any other Organisation, provided we have agreement that the birds are also liberated together. And feeding and watering the birds on 3 sides – outside the basket – is a must. Need to get a prototype basket of this type built in plastic, and /or aluminium.

Thanks Ian, I was getting to the stage where I thought I may have been dreaming the entire afternoon.