Shu Meeting

[dms5686]

is the SHU meeting advertised in BHW on Sun 14th Oct open to all members of SHU

[andy]

is the SHU meeting advertised in BHW on Sun 14th Oct open to all members of SHU

Think its only a delegates meeting.

[peter pandy]

Its open to all but only delegates can speak.

[hotrod]

is the SHU meeting advertised in BHW on Sun 14th Oct open to all members of SHU

hope they discuss the (olyimpic show ) open to all ?

[clockman]

 

hope they discuss the (olyimpic show ) open to all ?

 

 

The show was left to a small show committee and i don't know if it can be changed now,,

[alec guinness]

just had a wee look at the classes and with me flying this year with Glasgow fed most of my doos will not qualify!!!!!which is a shame will still enjoy the day.

[dms5686]

The show was left to a small show committee and i don't know if it can be changed now,,

 

do any of the show commitee show doos

[clockman]

do any of the show commitee show doos

 

 

No idea

[b.massey]

do any of the show commitee show doos

 

Unlikely Malcolm.... I also dont think they understand how to draw the highest amount of birdage as first show and turning away entries

[Guest stb-]

just had a wee look at the classes and with me flying this year with Glasgow fed most of my doos will not qualify!!!!!which is a shame will still enjoy the day.

why will they not qualify john ? you are an shu member are you not :emoticon-0138-thinking:

[DJWa]

why will they not qualify john ? you are an shu member are you not :emoticon-0138-thinking:

makes no diff rab they got to be raced under shu rules

was sent an e mail about it by the shu

[JohnQuinn]

The explanation for the show being open to those who have raced under SHU rules was that as the show scene in Scotland needed something to get the ordinary racing man involved in and enter his doos knowing he can win bacause he'll no be ripped off by some fanciers turning up with flown certificates for doos that haven't seen the inside of a basket.

 

Whether it'll turn out that way or not is quite another thing though

[b.massey]

The explanation for the show being open to those who have raced under SHU rules was that as the show scene in Scotland needed something to get the ordinary racing man involved in and enter his doos knowing he can win bacause he'll no be ripped off by some fanciers turning up with flown certificates for doos that haven't seen the inside of a basket.

 

Whether it'll turn out that way or not is quite another thing though

 

Wont make a bit difference John.... If SHU feel there is cheating going on at some shows with flown certs then surely they should get up and do something about it! Not punish the guys who cant show because of the ruling

[Guest stb-]

makes no diff rab they got to be raced under shu rules

was sent an e mail about it by the shu

a well was just talking to some lads yest while looking at some doos and they were saying to enter some as it should be a good day and show

but that looks like thats hit on the heed noo :emoticon-0138-thinking:

[Guest stb-]

The explanation for the show being open to those who have raced under SHU rules was that as the show scene in Scotland needed something to get the ordinary racing man involved in and enter his doos knowing he can win bacause he'll no be ripped off by some fanciers turning up with flown certificates for doos that haven't seen the inside of a basket.

 

Whether it'll turn out that way or not is quite another thing though

im a member of booth john but this rule means aboot 30% of scots who are also shu members canny show because there feds are not members of shu ,olympics are for all not just for scots who race in certain clubs, so shoudny be olympic show, lots of guys dont have shu clubs or feds to race in so i think its a kick in the cobblers for them all

Edited October 8, 2012 by stb-

[JohnQuinn]

Wont make a bit difference John.... If SHU feel there is cheating going on at some shows with flown certs then surely they should get up and do something about it! Not punish the guys who cant show because of the ruling

 

That's no the gist of it Brian, there isnae anybody saying there is cheating going on at any shows. The gist of it is to encourage Racing men to show their doos against other Racing men and not "professional" show men.

 

This is MY opinion on the show scene and ZERO to do with the above.......There are men who turn up at shows and enter birds in FLOWN classes that clearly have never raced, they only need to be friendly with the club sec and he'll sign his verification letter without giving it another thought, that's the Fancier AND Secretary i mean will think nothing of it again. Everybody knows it goes on and i mean Everybody involved in showing.

[b.massey]

That's no the gist of it Brian, there isnae anybody saying there is cheating going on at any shows. The gist of it is to encourage Racing men to show their doos against other Racing men and not "professional" show men.

 

This is MY opinion on the show scene and ZERO to do with the above.......There are men who turn up at shows and enter birds in FLOWN classes that clearly have never raced, they only need to be friendly with the club sec and he'll sign his verification letter without giving it another thought, that's the Fancier AND Secretary i mean will think nothing of it again. Everybody knows it goes on and i mean Everybody involved in showing.

 

Well they made it even worse for them self's only making it raced any distance and 2011/12..... means a 2011 YB that flew 50 miles then stopped for good entitled to go in against a racer maybe been to the inland nationals 2012. So the 2011 bird has sat in loft all year while the racer has been clocking up the miles. I know what one I'd rather have going into show pen

[dms5686]

That's no the gist of it Brian, there isnae anybody saying there is cheating going on at any shows. The gist of it is to encourage Racing men to show their doos against other Racing men and not "professional" show men.

 

This is MY opinion on the show scene and ZERO to do with the above.......There are men who turn up at shows and enter birds in FLOWN classes that clearly have never raced, they only need to be friendly with the club sec and he'll sign his verification letter without giving it another thought, that's the Fancier AND Secretary i mean will think nothing of it again. Everybody knows it goes on and i mean Everybody involved in showing.

 

John you are out of order with that statement you are putting everybody who shows in flown classes in non shu flown races under suspicion of cheating way way out of order i for one want an apology from you immediately

[naedoos]

John you are out of order with that statement you are putting everybody who shows in flown classes in non shu flown races under suspicion of cheating way way out of order i for one want an apology from you immediately

 

 

I think you are getting yourself worked up over nothing, All John stated was that everyone involved in showing doo's knows that it goes on , he never stated that everyone takes part in this practice

[Guest Gareth Rankin]

It's amazing the extent some Show fanciers will go to, I remember a fancier in my own club that was winning the racing classes throughout Scotland in the late eighties, he was later suspended for a couple of years after he was caught forging my late fathers signiture on the flown certificates. I don't for one minute believe that every club secretary has there finger on the pulse when it comes to verifing flown certificates.

[JADE]

I remember long ago maybe 30 years seeing flown certificates being signed by folk in the show hall after the birds were judged. If there is any doubt the organisers should ask for copies of race entry forms with rubber ring details or ets print outs. By the way I think memebrs of any union should be allowed to show in racing classes. Think the flown certificate thing is just a red herring.

[rembrant2coo]

I remember long ago maybe 30 years seeing flown certificates being signed by folk in the show hall after the birds were judged. If there is any doubt the organisers should ask for copies of race entry forms with rubber ring details or ets print outs. By the way I think memebrs of any union should be allowed to show in racing classes. Think the flown certificate thing is just a red herring.

 

 

YOU DONE QUITE WELL AT THE SHOWS JACK

[VMS]

I fly under a SHU registered Fed also a member of the RPRA, but once again politics hampering the sport unbelievable. :emoticon-0179-headbang:

[Guest IB]

I was present at the SHU meeting when this was discussed. At no time did I pick up that there was any political motive in the Show's arrangements. I also got an email last week which clarifies why Classes 1 to 7 were put in:-

 

Scottish Homing Union Olympic Year Show 8 December 2012

 

"Please scroll down to view details of the above event which we hope will receive wide support from SHU members throughout Scotland .

 

You will note from the information provided that racing handling classes 1 to 7 are specifically aimed at SHU raced pigeons. The reason for this is that the show circuit in Scotland has diminished greatly in recent times and with little opportunity for our members to show their pigeons over the close season it’s hoped that these special classes will generate interest from the ordinary fancier by encouraging them to come along, and enjoy a pre Xmas day out.

 

Entry forms will be circulated soon and if you want further information meantime please don’t hesitate to contact the SHU Office

 

 

 

Yours sincerely"

[dal2]

I was present at the SHU meeting when this was discussed. At no time did I pick up that there was any political motive in the Show's arrangements. I also got an email last week which clarifies why Classes 1 to 7 were put in:-

 

Scottish Homing Union Olympic Year Show 8 December 2012

 

"Please scroll down to view details of the above event which we hope will receive wide support from SHU members throughout Scotland .

 

You will note from the information provided that racing handling classes 1 to 7 are specifically aimed at SHU raced pigeons. The reason for this is that the show circuit in Scotland has diminished greatly in recent times and with little opportunity for our members to show their pigeons over the close season it’s hoped that these special classes will generate interest from the ordinary fancier by encouraging them to come along, and enjoy a pre Xmas day out.

 

Entry forms will be circulated soon and if you want further information meantime please don’t hesitate to contact the SHU Office

 

 

 

Yours sincerely"

 

I aint bothered aboot the show Ian but cant remember ever being told at any of the shows that I went to the length and breadth of Britain that my bird had to be flown with a certain organisation!!!