Daisymay Posted July 21, 2012 Report Posted July 21, 2012 Stuart its a farse NATIONAL its a joke sorry there will be a lot more resignations next year that is a sure thing ? Walter we have no chance of a fair crack o'the whip the birds should have been held till say 2PM then we are all in the same boat.Do you see anyone from the south complaining on here about the release time,fat chance,it pisses me of big style.
dal2 Posted July 21, 2012 Report Posted July 21, 2012 Walter we have no chance of a fair crack o'the whip the birds should have been held till say 2PM then we are all in the same boat.Do you see anyone from the south complaining on here about the release time,fat chance,it pisses me of big style.Wouldnae have bothered me wot time they went up really! We would just have to get on with it?Would have prefered 5/6 oclock but the weather wusnae right?
sapper756 Posted July 21, 2012 Report Posted July 21, 2012 22.30 - 5.00 thanks Williehttp://forum.pigeonbasics.org/public/style_emoticons/default/emoticon-0167-beer.gif
midnight_son Posted July 21, 2012 Report Posted July 21, 2012 Nothing will kill long distance racing faster than having midday liberations - they do guarantee a farce of a race with night flyers pinching time that is not counted in the race. I keep long distance pigeons that are bred for and prepared for a 12-16 hour fly on the shift. Ideally the birds will be away at dawn but today that was not possible but I'd still rather give them a 13 hour shift and an hour or two in the morning as necessary than have 2 x 8 hour races with all the guesswork involved in hours of darkness and changing weather conditions that can occur overnight. If you've got faith in your birds and your methods then you want a straight day race, not add in a bundle of random factors just to mess the race up for the folk who happen to be in the best location on the day. In 1998 we timed at half past midnight from Sartilly from a 9am liberation, 2 hours after the race officially closed. In the recent Alencon race there was a pigeon through our clock station timed at 0341am on the ETS. If birds are able to move at those times after a reasonably full day of flying then think of the chaos that would come from putting them up at 2pm, they'd barely be getting warmed up when the race closed and would be able to fly for hours after the race was closed or be up in the morning an hour before the race opened. I'm not understanding what is unfair about giving the birds as long as possible to fly in one day ? Just because your birds might not make it on the night doesn't mean they have less of a chance to win the race, every chance of North bird being right in the hunt under todays circumstances I would say, in fact I would be surprised if there isn't one in the top 30 of the open if you get the rub of the green with the showers tomorrow morning. Midlands national doing 46mph out of Vire so every chance for Central Belt to get them tonight. Good luck all.
Rooster J. Cogburn Posted July 21, 2012 Report Posted July 21, 2012 I'm fairly sure doos will make it into Central Scotland tonight,fingers crossed one makes it to Avonbrig As for those further North I would not rule them out being well up the open result even though they won't time tonight.Lead to believe the birds will be rising to a strong south west wind tomorrow morning.If theres a North doo far enough up on the night with an early rise it should have a big helping hand in the morning??
Rooster J. Cogburn Posted July 21, 2012 Report Posted July 21, 2012 We'll perhaps get a rough idea what to expect from the SNRPC early arrivals
Henrik Posted July 21, 2012 Report Posted July 21, 2012 1 A.M is aboot right,what chance have we got,but do they care,a wish a stayed in the borders.How far do you fly? I would imagine the birds have every chance to get into North Lanarkshire tonight.
mealyhen Posted July 21, 2012 Report Posted July 21, 2012 midnight sun What is your distance from Clermont ? As for a mid-day Lib being a lottery at least it would be the same for everyone .Now it has become unfair because there will be birds home tonight in certain areas and birds from other areas will be MADE to spend the night out Good luck everybody !
BLACK W F Posted July 21, 2012 Report Posted July 21, 2012 think they should have waited till noon/1pm and made all sit out instead we all know where the winners will be ,the only ones with a chance of timing on the daywell said Stuart unless a miracle the north have no chance a mid day lib would have given all a level playing field its a disgrace JMO
tiger Posted July 21, 2012 Report Posted July 21, 2012 well said Stuart unless a miracle the north have no chance a mid day lib would have given all a level playing field its a disgrace JMObut the same men will be in but the same men will be in ma tip in the north wee robbie higgins
alec guinness Posted July 21, 2012 Report Posted July 21, 2012 yes after all the losses, east winds record levels of rainfall this year lets just decide to hold doos,pure tosh!!!!!! :lol: the birds must go when the best weather is available for the route home!!!!!!!!! :) :(
Guest Greig the doo Drysdale Posted July 21, 2012 Report Posted July 21, 2012 Your all just making poor excuses. If they went up at 6 it would be a moaning match if they went up at mid day it would be a moaning match so just go with the times and be positive for once in your life. May the best doo win.
WulDon Posted July 21, 2012 Report Posted July 21, 2012 yes after all the losses, east winds record levels of rainfall this year lets just decide to hold doos,pure tosh!!!!!! :lol: the birds must go when the best weather is available for the route home!!!!!!!!! :) :( the controllers have done there best and had to wait on weather clearing, then lib when possible... i dont see why a mid-day lib should even be considered when the conditions were perfect for a lib at 9.45am, yip most birds will spend the night out including my own but that distance racing for ya!... but why force an entire convoy to spend the night out when unecessary and fall prey to a whole host of predators lurking up and down the country. If lucky enough i'd rather have my doos only a couple of hours from home in the morning rather than another shift of say 4-6 hours to be put in... of course not every body gonna be happy, but when ever is every body happy!!!
alec guinness Posted July 21, 2012 Report Posted July 21, 2012 the controllers have done there best and had to wait on weather clearing, then lib when possible... i dont see why a mid-day lib should even be considered when the conditions were perfect for a lib at 9.45am, yip most birds will spend the night out including my own but that distance racing for ya!... but why force an entire convoy to spend the night out when unecessary and fall prey to a whole host of predators lurking up and down the country. If lucky enough i'd rather have my doos only a couple of hours from home in the morning rather than another shift of say 4-6 hours to be put in... of course not every body gonna be happy, but when ever is every body happy!!! positive post wul,lets hope for a good race, ;)only a couple of ciders in the bowling club tonight alarm set!!!!!!! :D
WulDon Posted July 21, 2012 Report Posted July 21, 2012 positive post wul,lets hope for a good race, ;)only a couple of ciders in the bowling club tonight alarm set!!!!!!! :D yip early rise mate, all the best!
aye ready Posted July 21, 2012 Report Posted July 21, 2012 We'll perhaps get a rough idea what to expect from the SNRPC early arrivals b kelly doing 1241 from arras with the snrpc which on my coonting would be 12 and a haf hours for clermont into the central belt
Guest Greig the doo Drysdale Posted July 21, 2012 Report Posted July 21, 2012 There will be doos in central belt tonight almost sure of it.
JohnQuinn Posted July 21, 2012 Report Posted July 21, 2012 b kelly doing 1241 from arras with the snrpc which on my coonting would be 12 and a haf hours for clermont into the central belt Don't know this guy but his results over the last few years from the Channel have been excellent. 1241ypm is encouraging to guys like myself who are right on the limit when it comes to timing in tonight or tomorrow morn, here's hoping a good few of the birds flying around 500/550 miles can get in tonight. ATVB to you all.
delboy74 Posted July 21, 2012 Report Posted July 21, 2012 Where's he flying into ?? The gold coast ? I mean the east coast
sapper756 Posted July 21, 2012 Report Posted July 21, 2012 Here is hoping the birds reach Fife tonight, fingers crossedhttp://forum.pigeonbasics.org/public/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif
WulDon Posted July 21, 2012 Report Posted July 21, 2012 Here is hoping the birds reach Fife tonight, fingers crossed with a larger convoy and hopefully into a bit of a stronger wind, weatyher conditions perfect i'm sure someone in Section C will get one tonight???
sapper756 Posted July 21, 2012 Report Posted July 21, 2012 with a larger convoy and hopefully into a bit of a stronger wind, weatyher conditions perfect i'm sure someone in Section C will get one tonight??? here is hoping Wullie, good luck m8http://forum.pigeonbasics.org/public/style_emoticons/default/scotland.gif
yeboah Posted July 21, 2012 Report Posted July 21, 2012 Well Lads as I have no birds away just finishing of ma tea then going to feed the yb's in,Have cleared it wae the wife that i borrow here helicopter that she got for xmas so will be heading down to the solway coast and will keep you updated with early arrivals no flashing your *expletive removed* dal as i fly over the fechan,Good Luck to All
midnight_son Posted July 21, 2012 Report Posted July 21, 2012 midnight sun What is your distance from Clermont ? As for a mid-day Lib being a lottery at least it would be the same for everyone .Now it has become unfair because there will be birds home tonight in certain areas and birds from other areas will be MADE to spend the night out Good luck everybody ! Hi Mealyhen. I fly 506 miles, just a couple of miles east of Edinburgh. I don't understand how making it a lottery for everyone is better than having a proper race with a chance of birds flying 13 hours on the shift and a normal 2nd day where the hours of darkness should just about work as they were intended to. Plenty longer flyers have won nationals timing on the 2nd day - its part of the game. Fingers crossed for some returns tonight as far up country as possible tonight and if you don't get one then bang one in early tomorrow, you could still win it on 2nd day. Good luck to all
leslie24williams49 Posted July 21, 2012 Report Posted July 21, 2012 every swallow and swift that flies over your lofts up in scotland tonight will cause a huge scramble... :emoticon-0138-thinking:
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