Snfc Niort - Info, Times/Returns

[Guest Gareth Rankin]

Scrub the first inland national and the birdage in the Alencon gold cup race will rise from 1100 to 1800, now if you scrub the second inland national the birdage in the gold cup will rise to 2400-2500.

 

Wasn't that long ago that we got rid of the successful Sartilly 1 race, this to protect the gold cup entry then somewhere along the road the club and its members lost the plot by introducing the eastbourne/ Maidstone race, why!! because It was suppose to encourage a new type of fancier into the club who would eventually start sending to the gold cup, has this happened ?? No it bloody hell hasn't, all that has happened that fanciers get an easy ticket from 350 miles.

[hotrod]

Scrub the first inland national and the birdage in the Alencon gold cup race will rise from 1100 to 1800, now if you scrub the second inland national the birdage in the gold cup will rise to 2400-2500.

 

Wasn't that long ago that we got rid of the successful Sartilly 1 race, this to protect the gold cup entry then somewhere along the road the club and its members lost the plot by introducing the eastbourne/ Maidstone race, why!! because It was suppose to encourage a new type of fancier into the club who would eventually start sending to the gold cup, has this happened ?? No it bloody hell hasn't, all that has happened that fanciers get an easy ticket from 350 miles.

couldnt agree more especially doing away with the first one ,because like its been for the last 2 yrs a bad race with poor returns then yes it does affect the main race ,an inland national a week before the main race is ok with me as no one would send there gold cup doos to that race,but they prob do to the first ,even if it turns out a poor race then it still would not affect the big one ,expletive remove its not rocket science is it ?

[JADE]

Part of the problem with the first inland national is allowing duplication so some feds are putting it in their programme thus "forcing" fed members to send if thney want to be in club/fed averages. As there is no alternative fed race they send their gold cup doos because at 3 weeks before the main event that is the final prep race for many. Scrap duplication at the first race and with an alternative fed race it may help the gold cup entry.

[dal2]

cannot agree with this post,yes we must promote distance racing with the SNFC but we must cater for all members and the current format which imo is not perfect does give us 300ml 400ml 500ml and 600ml racing and also a y/bird race about 250mls into central scotland,remember last weeks niort race had between 10% and 15% of the membership competing not great i am sure you will agree,i do agree that the traditions of the club should be respected but in a shrinking sport with fewer fanciers the SNFC must keep its options open. :)

BAng on

If ye dinny like 300 mile races keep yer doos for the channel, if ye think that yer doos are more suited to 300miles then send them to Maidstone or similar?? One inland is enuff JMO

[Rooster J. Cogburn]

Not only are these inland nationals having a crippling effect on the SNFC's channel races but they are also very damaging to local organisations.

 

The best solution long term in my eyes is for more feds to amalgamate once over 150 miles down to the coast and for the SNFC to host only channel events.

 

Unfortunately I can't see this happening as I don't have to look very far to see fanciers who stay in the same street as each other and race in different organisations.If these differences were put aside I can almost guarantee local inland racing would improve in quality and returns as would SNFC channel racing.

 

The inland nationals are money in the bank though for the club and some fanciers but are they really for the greater good of Scottish pigeon racing on the whole?I personally can't convince myself.

 

We're covering the same ground yet again it will quieten down a bit now though until the 15th of September....

[Henrik]

What is needed is a proposed race programme put in for the AGM, and then to have the membership there to support it and vote it in, as for this Niort race I dont think we should consider going with this mob again even if it means going to Tours at an earlier date with the organisation we were with last year.

[Rooster J. Cogburn]

I'd also like to see it proposed that whatever programme is decided is stuck to for a minimum of three seasons.Granted it may be a bit difficult to keep the longest race the same every year

[Henrik]

I'd also like to see it proposed that whatever programme is decided is stuck to for a minimum of three seasons.Granted it may be a bit difficult to keep the longest race the same every year

It would maybe be possible with a bit of flexibility in the dates.

[Guest Gareth Rankin]

I'd also like to see it proposed that whatever programme is decided is stuck to for a minimum of three seasons.Granted it may be a bit difficult to keep the longest race the same every year

Why same racepoints Lewis??

[Rooster J. Cogburn]

Why same racepoints Lewis??

 

I don’t think chopping and changing like we have been doing of late is doing the fanciers, the birds, the returns, the entries or the races image any favours.

 

Three gold cup race points in as many seasons is a bit ridiculous and is partly taking away from the class once greatly associated with the race. I’d like to see a race point chosen be it Alencon, Reims , Messac or indeed any other and allowed to gather a bit of a momentum. The status surrounding Rennes,Pau and certainly Bourges is very difficult to emulate starting with fresh race points with little history behind them. After a few seasons at the same race point though I think a bit more interest could be generated and greater prestige would surround the race.

 

I also don’t think we are giving ourselves the opportunity to see what the best and fairest lib sites are with the constant moving around. I don’t think it’s possible to decide if a race point is a good one based on one or two races.

 

There will always be occasional disasters from certain lib sites dues to circumstances out with our control, but you’d think if you are going to a race point where a number of the convoy have been before (some on several occasions) the chances of better racing are greater?

[peter pandy]

We used to get decent racing and returns from Avranches / Sartilly, Rennes and Nantes. WHY because the birds came up the Cherbourg peninsular and were not given any option but to face and cross the channel.

When in their wisdom the membership decided to go further east in France the birds were given the option of the French coastline to turn either east or west. With the prevailing winds being south west most dont cross the channel but head north through Holland and are lost in the Scandinavian countries.

If questions are to be asked ? With the exception of the UNC do all the English races from France not draw a line from Cherbourg south ?.

[hotrod]

We used to get decent racing and returns from Avranches / Sartilly, Rennes and Nantes. WHY because the birds came up the Cherbourg peninsular and were not given any option but to face and cross the channel.

When in their wisdom the membership decided to go further east in France the birds were given the option of the French coastline to turn either east or west. With the prevailing winds being south west most dont cross the channel but head north through Holland and are lost in the Scandinavian countries.

If questions are to be asked ? With the exception of the UNC do all the English races from France not draw a line from Cherbourg south ?.

we had bad ones as well from there as well , if u look at recent years in the snfc gold cup take reims(eastern france) a few years ago great race good returns , then u had messac western france disaster , to me to be fair you have to think of keeping happy medium .the downside from eastern france is if the wind is strong from the west then of course you will have some/a lot run up the coast into belgium and holland ,look at the ypres race since its inception its been a fantastic race although this year wasnt as good return wise, i get mad when i read fanciers wanting to race from here or there because it suits them ,expletive remove why not just race from where we get GOOD RACES ? EVEN IF IT DOESNT SUIT YOUR LOFT LOCATION ?

[dms5686]

We used to get decent racing and returns from Avranches / Sartilly, Rennes and Nantes. WHY because the birds came up the Cherbourg peninsular and were not given any option but to face and cross the channel.

When in their wisdom the membership decided to go further east in France the birds were given the option of the French coastline to turn either east or west. With the prevailing winds being south west most dont cross the channel but head north through Holland and are lost in the Scandinavian countries.

If questions are to be asked ? With the exception of the UNC do all the English races from France not draw a line from Cherbourg south ?.

By far the most succesful racepoint at the moment is ypres so why not try going further on that line of flight

[hotrod]

By far the most succesful racepoint at the moment is ypres so why not try going further on that line of flight

FAR TOO EASY MALCOLM (but it doesnt suit their loft location ) thats all that matters to some, fk its not rocket science is it ?

[hotrod]

forgot to add the most successfull snrpc race is ARRAS fantastic race point and every year great returns ,well up till now touch wood .

[Novice]

Niort is on the Cherbourg peninsula line and we all know how that turned out this year.

The late Jim Biss argued against liberations in Western France as the poor weather always came in from the Atlantic.

There again it may have suited his location to go East.

[Guest Gareth Rankin]

By far the most succesful racepoint at the moment is ypres so why not try going further on that line of flight

Yes I agree, and although going this line of flight is a disaster waiting to happen especially if a strong westerly wind happens or full cloud cover but then it ain't happened yet so why change it.

[Delboy]

Yes I agree, and although going this line of flight is a disaster waiting to happen especially if a strong westerly wind happens or full cloud cover but then it ain't happened yet so why change it.

 

 

Bourges, Messac, Niort, and even Cheltenham, all disasters .We must concentrate on the easterly race points as they ve been much better for returns and fairer results etc. Reims ( longest race ), Liege ( Gold cup )and Ypres should be the 3 channel races for the SNFC for at least 3 years.imo

[alec guinness]

By far the most succesful racepoint at the moment is ypres so why not try going further on that line of flight

 

yes and maybe one of the fairest,7 sections represented in the first 20 open places,food for thought. :) ;)

[dms5686]

yes and maybe one of the fairest,7 sections represented in the first 20 open places,food for thought. :) ;)

Well put

[hotrod]

Bourges, Messac, Niort, and even Cheltenham, all disasters .We must concentrate on the easterly race points as they ve been much better for returns and fairer results etc. Reims ( longest race ), Liege ( Gold cup )and Ypres should be the 3 channel races for the SNFC for at least 3 years.imo

i would def go for this 100%

[sj irving jnr]

Bourges, Messac, Niort, and even Cheltenham, all disasters .We must concentrate on the easterly race points as they ve been much better for returns and fairer results etc. Reims ( longest race ), Liege ( Gold cup )and Ypres should be the 3 channel races for the SNFC for at least 3 years.imo

 

 

utter crap!!,there was nothing wrong with the programme this year,we had the worst weather for pigeon racing in history,inland nationals and ypres have destroyed the gold cup,these races were brought in to encourage people to send to the gold cup,now its taking birds away!,there was nearly 100 birds on the nite at alencon whats wrong with that?,a fancier said on here theres a race for everyone at all distances,and all parts of france and in belgium east and west, if you want to go there,im not for it but leave the programme the way it is and let the committe sort out the longest race,but then again you just want to sit on here make up a race programme and sack everyone.

 

ps,thnk the new nat had the same problem as us at the longest... weather!

 

see you at the agm

 

scott irving jnr

[frank-123]

i would def go for this 100%

 

Will the boys in the east and north vote for they easterly race point's ?

[DJWa]

Will the boys in the east and north vote for they easterly race point's ?

 

if you race every race out the east line

then the north has virtually no chance of getting an open position

unless its a disaster of a race and very few birds home

 

look at the distance aberdeen gets from dundee 19 to 22 miles from ypres

and peterhead only about 37

 

aberdeens 482 miles from ypres

edinburgh around 434

[frank-123]

if you race every race out the east line

then the north has virtually no chance of getting an open position

unless its a disaster of a race and very few birds home

 

look at the distance aberdeen gets from dundee 19 to 22 miles from ypres

and peterhead only about 37

 

aberdeens 482 miles from ypres

edinburgh around 434

 

17th open and 37th open Ypres 2010 and 2009 from section G