Snfc Messac

[Pego]

Looks like 8 birds timed into Fife in race time, plus 2 at Dundee clocks which makes 10 sec C birds. Heard of a few more which will be just under the 400ypm.

[WHITTY]

WELL DONE JIM @GARRY MAKING THE RESULT GREAT STUFF CHEERS AUSTIN

[dal2]

1 keep the birds on the line of flight , it is said that there was mist on the channel ? , use the best transporters available , and use mike applby again , jmo and just have 2 channel races rennes and nantes ??

All very confusing! as has been said Rennes etc the same as Messac?

Riems etc? Never a stinker?

It semms very peculiar that the the line of flight has moved so dramatically from west to east? It is a very big switch in distance(west to east) from rennes etc to reims and belgium?

I am really no fussed wot direction we go from but will not accept that Messac as a racepoint was the main cause of trouble!

It is going the way of east versus west in scotland and I dont think that its very healthy IMO!

Is there a compromise?

 

Transporters are sumthin I aint got enuff info on but I am havin an educated guess that they are better than the ones used in the 70s?

Was racin so tragic then?

 

MMMMM!

[Guest stb-]

All very confusing! as has been said Rennes etc the same as Messac?

Riems etc? Never a stinker?

It semms very peculiar that the the line of flight has moved so dramatically from west to east? It is a very big switch in distance(west to east) from rennes etc to reims and belgium?

I am really no fussed wot direction we go from but will not accept that Messac as a racepoint was the main cause of trouble!

It is going the way of east versus west in scotland and I dont think that its very healthy IMO!

Is there a compromise?

 

Transporters are sumthin I aint got enuff info on but I am havin an educated guess that they are better than the ones used in the 70s?

Was racin so tragic then?

 

MMMMM!

na it wasnt

[blaz]

Out of curiosity does anyone know how that stands with the averages??????

not a 100% on this but i think it won,t count as race closes at 400y.pm.

 

sorry to hear just out of race time

 

also can you tell who is on phone to hurry up as trying to phone

[Guest 67ghirl]

lol - not me

[Delboy]

I got nowt along wae most of my club, ecclefechan, 1 bird timed on second day at 12.01!!!!!!!! Well done to John Little on his tiner the same hen that was 2nd open Marlborough.

Its a disaster for the members but we will carry on although a couple of years in the wilderness is now on the cards?

Distance racin is hard because when you get a stinker frae the distance then it hurts yer breeding/racing team as doubts come in about both!!!

Lets hope that we get some good racin from the nats soon and that confidence can can come again?

Race points from anywhere can have bad races thats a fact and blamin Solway fanciers for wanting a traditional line of flight is nonsense IMO!

 

 

Dont think it has anything to do with east/ west Stephen, its to do with getting the good doos back. Someone said that the last Messac was good, bollocks, there were only 180 in race time and about 2,500 at least away.That equates to almost the same as this race, a bloody disaster.Now we have had 2 disasters out of 2 from Messac, surely we must wake up and stop this madness.Some people say, Messac is ok, its the same as Rennes etc etc BUT its not, even though they are close.I would train my birds at Abington but wouldnt train at Moffat, just down the road a few miles from Abington.Reason, Moffat is a bad lib point and maybe Messac is also.

TOO MANY FOLK WANT THINGS TO SUIT THEIR LOFT LOCATION but I think a lot of research has to be made into race points to suit THE WHOLE OF SCOTLAND and not certain areas.The SNFC committee should look into every aspect of pigeon racing with a view to making our nationals better, this may include the K index

[blaz]

1 keep the birds on the line of flight , it is said that there was mist on the channel ? , use the best transporters available , and use mike applby again , jmo and just have 2 channel races rennes and nantes ??

i have to disagree with you on this as i think ypres is a good race point for fanciers like myself that fly round about the 400ish mile mark and are new to national racing .it gives us a chance to try our birds from a channal race .it give then the experanse of flying over channel

[alec guinness]

Dont think it has anything to do with east/ west Stephen, its to do with getting the good doos back. Someone said that the last Messac was good, bollocks, there were only 180 in race time and about 2,500 at least away.That equates to almost the same as this race, a bloody disaster.Now we have had 2 disasters out of 2 from Messac, surely we must wake up and stop this madness.Some people say, Messac is ok, its the same as Rennes etc etc BUT its not, even though they are close.I would train my birds at Abington but wouldnt train at Moffat, just down the road a few miles from Abington.Reason, Moffat is a bad lib point and maybe Messac is also.

TOO MANY FOLK WANT THINGS TO SUIT THEIR LOFT LOCATION but I think a lot of research has to be made into race points to suit THE WHOLE OF SCOTLAND and not certain areas.The SNFC committee should look into every aspect of pigeon racing with a view to making our nationals better, this may include the K index

 

some good points delboy,since 1999 we have been at RENNES,LEIGE,LA FERTE BERNARD,REIMS, ALENCON,and MESSAC,where we will be next year who knows???dont know what the answers are but the national did not need a terrible GOLD CUP,but thats what we got :cry-blow:

[W.D.]

Would be interesting to know if any European organsiastions were racing from the same area on Friday???

A man in the know told me he always fears for the Tours birds being libbed on a Saturday or Sunday as there are thousands of pigeons crossing all over France at weekends.

A lot of the continental birds were held over til today Lewis, dodgy weather in north of France,and they didn't get good racing either, my mate only had 3 from 14 home at clock time,8 by dark.

[W.D.]

So when we race from Ypres on a saturday , how does that avoid clashing?? The birds I believe run along the coastline to France before crossing - is there a chance of clashing there. I recall a couple of years ago dozens of birds reported that never left the continent...

you are correct Blucock it would be better held on a friday,because if they dont get up early on a sat they risk the chance of catching the Dutch going over their route.

[Rooster J. Cogburn]

A lot of the continental birds were held over til today Lewis, dodgy weather in north of France,and they didn't get good racing either, my mate only had 3 from 14 home at clock time,8 by dark.

 

Is that Phillipe?? Wull

[W.D.]

Is that Phillipe?? Wull

No, its Gilles, Phillipe's no racing today he's putting his doos away to Barcelona.

[tyson]

I have sat here and read some of the asumptions of what happened at messac I am as bewildered as everyone else I have also read about fog supposidly on the channel now I am one of the race controllers for the s.n.f.c and I have a lot of webcams in france and uk all the webcams were checked right along the french coast from le harve in the east right up through the cherbourg peninsula and across to the channel island and these are all live cameras that I use they all showed channel clear live webcams on english coast from eastbourne to portsmouth showed the same for channel clear there are 2 light ships in the channel that you can get the weather from mid channel they were given visability over 7mls as for the irish not liberating is probably because they had bad weather coming into ireland if you check out meteox and run it back you will see the rai band coming into ireland at 6.00am Im afraid I am in the same opinion as some others that the pigeons were way of there usual line of flight if 95% of feds are flying the east route then we stick to that line peter

[Rooster J. Cogburn]

No, its Gilles, Phillipe's no racing today he's putting his doos away to Barcelona.

 

Thats a biggy.How far is it to him??

 

As long as he does what you showed him I'm sure he'll dae awrite

[hotrod]

after reading all these post i have decided to put an outsiders answer to most points made ,one is being a member of the snrpc and having birds at all the gold medal reims races there has never been a great race from there(with the snrpc) in fact most have been very hard not least 2010 when they had 25/30 mph head winds to deal with all the way , point 2 why did the snfc not go back to reims this year after a great race last year ? chopping and changing does the birds no good imo,point 3 the weather on friday ? well even dogs could see that the weather front was coming in from the west and if the messac birds had held there line they would have run into it well down the country , also a read one post that there was mist /fog on the channel? was this not the real cause for a bad race ? it wouldnt have made a blind bit of difference where they were lib'd from if there was mist or fog on the channel they would not have crossed. point 4 i agree 100% about racing birds on a straight line of flight why race all year down the east then jump back to the west where most have never seen ,it happened at marlborough and has happened at messac ,crazy in my opinion ,what the hell is wrong with maidstone or abouts ? up till now and not wanting to tempt fate weve had had great races from arras and lillers and the snfc has had good /great races from ypres all eastern france /belgium ,dont understand why anyone apart from selfish reasons would want race from anywhere else , yes the west boys will vote for eastern france/belgium not for overfly but just for good racing .all the great west section fanciers i know firstly want there birds back if there not winning then they try harder for the next race /year .well done to all the gallant birds that made home

[tyson]

IF there was mist fog bad weather tell me how did the leading birds from messac do it in the time that they did???

[blaz]

when their is a gold cup channal race for example .with the new tracking system that tracks birds as they fly .like the video on utube a lot of us have seen with the tenirife birds getting tracked from start to finnish.showing us the route the birds fly. yes it does cost money for this but split between all members of the s.n.f.c it would not be much.then for example 2 birds from each of the secsions to have one fixed to it with the fanciers say so. the fanciers picked would be say the 1st 2 fanciers from that race point the year before. with tracking like this it would give us all a bit more in put it whare the birds cross channel. done a few time it should also help in finding a gold cup race point that suits all. it might also show what i think that most birds cross at the shortest rote from land to land.

 

only an idea

[Delboy]

when their is a gold cup channal race for example .with the new tracking system that tracks birds as they fly .like the video on utube a lot of us have seen with the tenirife birds getting tracked from start to finnish.showing us the route the birds fly. yes it does cost money for this but split between all members of the s.n.f.c it would not be much.then for example 2 birds from each of the secsions to have one fixed to it with the fanciers say so. the fanciers picked would be say the 1st 2 fanciers from that race point the year before. with tracking like this it would give us all a bit more in put it whare the birds cross channel. done a few time it should also help in finding a gold cup race point that suits all. it might also show what i think that most birds cross at the shortest rote from land to land.

 

only an idea

 

 

a good idea blaz that I have thought about for many years

[blaz]

a good idea blaz that I have thought about for many years

i think it would help us all understand a wee bit more on how birds cross channel .do the east coast birds fly more east to cross . do the west birds cross more to the west over a wider strech of water .also which part do the far north birds cross.

[Guest stb-]

IF there was mist fog bad weather tell me how did the leading birds from messac do it in the time that they did???

just like all races good or bad you always get somthing bang on time

 

but if the channel was that clear why did they not all cross together somthing has stopped em , plus why did other orgs at fougeres hold back till 12.30 before libbing on friday and the rest held till today ,, its all ifs and buts , and on saying that if most had crossed the channel you would have had a rite load turned up early second day but that didnt happen so would say most wernt this side of the channel , JMO

[blucock]

blaz, they would all cross the channel at the same points at likes of Ypres where they are only a short spin from the channel. The west and north birds will follow the line of the drag, ie at least 2/3 of the convoy in the main, many north birds will hang with south birds and west birds will hang with east... for example a bird in a batch of 3 or 4 wont break off and head west of the pennines and up over the solway into west - most likely it will head over the border at an easterly point and might carry on as far as edinburgh before breaking out where there is a corridor.

 

Would be interesting to see, as you will see that the west birds are regularly many hours behind the east and the only explanation is they take a long loop round.

 

all the best, i wold like to see the trackers brought in, we have to learn what is costing so many birds.

 

Baz

[blaz]

IF there was mist fog bad weather tell me how did the leading birds from messac do it in the time that they did???

 

my opinion on this is that the birds that done the race in good time .are birds that regarless of fog or rain or thunder faced it and flew through it. (if their was fog or rain ect) i have seen my own birds in shorter races come through mist fog and rain and some of them comming home hours later or the next day. then me saying the bird i clocked coming through the fog mist and rain could not beat my last bird home at any race on a nice day. i have read at some of the oneloft reports that 1100 bird let go at say 8 am with in a min 2 to 4 bops atacked in to them. the bops kept it up for a long time but a small batch managed to get away. 60 home on day in good time 1040 not home on day but more than half started dropping in over the next 2to 4 days. we can al put our best guess forward but we won,t know for FACT WHAT HAPPEND

[elanco]

Out of curiosity does anyone know how that stands with the averages??????

 

YIP, IT DOES NOT COUNT, gid bird to make it mind like alot more that were just outside the result, but let's no take the shine of the birds that made it IN race time...........

[geordie1234]

If a fancier bought there own tracking system would they be allowed to send??

 

Like is it illegal