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We have extensions leads in today's society... This can be used to do all and everything outside of the club house if wanted to. As for rubbers being phrased out... I think the problem there - if one - is down to two things. costs. Many struggle to afford keeping/ racing. Proud or not to say so. - That's why not Reporting strays' is a case to be penalised... would hammer the grass roots. TH other is A. being comfortable with habits and hating change - good or bad. Any enforcement will undoubtedly mean a loss of members. Ten the old crap cry of 'Well they would have packed up anyway' will be heard.... Some truth somewhere sometime, maybe, but not always by far. So we do need to hear and help other's pet hates, or need of a hand etc. I truly believe the adages should be 'Not what is best for me … But for those that can't, wont or are not able'. Dall I take my hat off to you and your likes that do help, and know its true ... Sadly, such becoming extinct! As the trying to get others to pull their weight or do a bit, let alone a share. Have posted before, But when a president of a club, I went into the bar and told them all. Same related to all and sundry when they picked the clocks up. Next week, if you want to talk corridor politics, instead of lending a hand, YOUR' birds won't be marked and put through'! Next week the same, just us same few. Any way we went into the bar, and got ourselves a drink like. Some, the usual do nowt brigade asked per norm, every thing alright (Ok). With 20 minutes to go I told them all 'If you want to get your birds through to be raced, you had better get a move on and starting it'! Yes they hadn't gone through. The sec and I watched as they to make sure all was in order. then I stated a rota is being drawn up for four to take turns to stay behind loading the trailers. Two seasons later it was implemented that if any one didn't turn up then they would be sending next week, unless they had arranged for their place to be covered. Next A.G.M THERE was a cattail to vote in another president etc. lol. Mind I never did hear how that not being allowed to send next week would get through lol (I don't for a minute believe it would be legal or could be done). But that scenario never cropped up when I went in later years) .... Later it was tried to be used as to stop the few who only used the club to send some to national racing.

I think a water Pistol filled with stinking old water and squirted appropriately will service lol :emoticon-0127-lipssealed: A quick squirt and distance should quickly return. :emoticon-0140-rofl:

With a little square picking eh! I did deep litter for a while before I packed up. I put a bag in fresh every 6 weeks or so. MIND I left some well seasoned dropping too. I just shovelled it into sacks. Rubbed some garden lime on the floor, even perches etc. some time. Then spread some seasoned litter over the floor. I did a compartment in a day - due to poor health of course. This leaves the immunity in force for the youngsters and strengthens the older birds. If, I bought in new stock, / birds they went into their own compartment. Where THEY had seasoned deep litter big time. If dry, droppings are safe, by the way. Some would change a little with the litter from another compartment. I delivered the sacks of droppings. Was easy and could leave at the 'Gardeners' houses. I learnt, a few years back gardeners / allotment persons asked me if the could have it … then came about October time to collect! Why did I want it! Why do folks think that one wishes to keep it for them? I soon said 'No More' lol

I like your post Yeboah. Makes good reading.

The best winners will come from those birds well rested. Old birds a like. If the old birds, same as the youngster, were flying with zest, great! If on the Tuesday/Wednesday they were flying 2 hours and tearing up the skies... Then they would be kept in and just sent to the races. Like wise I wouldn't toss either. Maybe I might send a few youngsters this season... Most likely, if wanting To race the youngsters, I'd split the youngsters and just race one half of them, or less. The other's would go straight into an old BIRD race next season. This year, if racing old birds, they would rested well. and then race, then rest and then race. Also would implement a Rota system.

Quote: '... My initial thoughts on YBS are simple , I believe that a virus impacts on the youngsters immune system which results in the tell tale signs of vomiting / holding food in the crop and the droppings going off The next part of YBS is the real challenge as ultimately as the immune system is compromised it allows for the secondary infection to impact on the birds , now one year that could be cocci, the next it could be enteritis etc so the challenge is trying to identify what the underlying cause is hence why you here sometanciers say a certain product worked one year but not the next ...' Nice to see that logic Darnway. I have posted as such, or nigh for a very long time... Twice this year too. Often implying that WE have ruined the natural immunity etc. Also It is a second ailment that does the damage because the bird isn't able to get shot of the first ailment etc. and is very weak when the second ailment hits home. As I often state, the Myth too many enjoy, the passing over and not wanting to know, or take on board another reasoning - that maybe aimed at the fanciers. I was a Moot. Indeed I was involved in many ways. there was a very well know Vet called Parson, One Mr Peters; too. Mark Gilbert and other well known and good names. When the happenings, like your Photo happens. Slimy Dropping and a covering of the last feed etc. The consensus Coming from the top table was unanimous 'Don't separate'! What? the audience asked 'regards the other birds eating as such ...' The reply was 'Good! Let them eat it! Best to get sorted and an IMUNITY having a chance to become a protection of future attacks etc. Let them get an immunity! No it's NOT liars, or not knowing that they have had it! that don't get it! Nor never have it! It's a immunity built up in the loft. Yet many get it every season. Go figure and stop making excuses.

You know, new birds coming in, whether given (Preferable ) or bought at costs, it does give one a new hope and desire and an expectancy of things to (Hopeflly) come.

Ok FIFER … I daren't post lol Having said that, if one looks at the Pensioners, and those unable to work / find a job. The government pay out a lot. I paid nigh every week since leaving school. Now I get a pension... plus a few tablets etc. In today's price, what I put into their coffers, I have already had out - Due to inflation etc. of course. Now a pension is, with tablets works out nearly £400 per Week. that's £1600 per month! Now If I rented that would add on another £550 - £750 per month or so, or more. £2400! that's £4.000 per month. Times that by 12! then by the 40.000 admitted now having moved on - yes of course a many more!(The powers to be are thankful) Now us pensioner's are an unwanted burden that takes money away from the rich and wealthy! Likewise those who can't get a job! etc. etc.Money they sadly mis … not needed.

Yep, like the Neighbour 3 doors up. But again I won't … would only lead to wanting more, then same of problem of not able. Beside the Racing would be highly of want. So will have to content myself to watch theirs's and the feral. Have some god looking ones too. Is, as mentioned before, a chequer Pied cock. Absolute great to see and always id such fine condition. Often wonder if it was one of mine tat flew off the top. Never close enough to see if a ring or not. There again, over the last few years, very few went off the Loft top.

Since having to pack up, I really miss the birds. Can't go to clubs, nor start to take up offers to watch others clock in … Can't now any way at the moment. But was saying before the lock down. Before packing up, many times I thought of having, as I had as a school boy Tipplers, Tumblers and even try the Rollers, as a substitute. Yes … But then they still would need the care an attention I waned on the racers. So I didn't. New neighbour 3 doors up has pets and birds, including some white - not fan tails, but as such. The like many racers C/ Feral also visit my garden etc. Good to see, but tugs the heart strings a mite. Said to the good lady today. 'I could buy 2or 3 pairs of whites and feed them in garden till they went and joined the others. that way I would always have some... and looking after themselves … I know, silly and selfish lol. then would ease the wanting any, just make me most likely want to ...

Yes was truly a great! A voice and half. which I really took to.

Thank you all for the kind regards.

You know, I truly believe, that Ms Sturgeon is one of the best, mostly likely the best speaker in any government to day. Indeed weigh above the vast majority. As to what she says, etc. wants one to believe, well that is another tale... she is after all a politician.

My first wife passed on yesterday. Twink was ill for a very long time. In a home for the last few months. My sons were told earlier in week that she had got the Virus. They don't believe that. Yes! all good things have an ending, good or bad. Fortunately the best memories don't fade... others may need to.

Some think he is a pest. some dangerous with a pen in hand - won't use a pencil in case he cuts himself sharpening it - Me! I'm surprised he can use a computer. But his waffle is - like mine lol - just that 'Waffle'. lol

Well put- as usual - Walter.

I do think that we must be careful and not cause any respite from the public. Ok. We won't be seen personally taking a sensible, and an agreeable stance in this sad concern of COVID 19. But mark my words well, If see, reported as being silly and uncalled for in any action or even looks like going out of the guidelines of the government do's and don't do's, then we will do our 'Fancy' a great disservice. One long that is remembered and will crop up every time a 'Pigeon' mentioned. Then to be embellished memories, true or false, will abound. One only has to look at past remarks regards the feral... 'flying Rat's' etc. A stupid untruth that 'Joe Public' in ignorance, yet spouts even today. Thinking it makes them smart and suitable for a laugh. Somewhat undeserved true, but easily believe! We neither want or let, any other whimsical happening. Because the pointed finger will paint a sorrowful picture of not only pigeons but pigeon keeper, we must be responsible for our actions. Remembering that it won't just be 'You' taking flak, but the whole of the sport and Pigeon keepers, regardless of what kind of pigeons are sought or kept. When in a supermarket as a provision counter, it was brought home to me very clearly that customers won't notice how clean and well kept is the food counter! Yet! a little bit of bacon, ham, a mark etc. out of place is noticed by nigh al

You know, I hear, see, the arguments, points thought and folks saying 'Why can't we have just 4 doing the marking in one room etc.'. Well obviously that would be very short lived and done. Further, speaking to a keen fisherman, a couple of doors away, whom told that they can't go fishing if is no one else it there, or 100's of yards away'. So what chance do we believe our case could be allowed! Further even games behind closed doors are still trying. It is a banned right along the line. No up and downs, or corners in that line will be permitted. For the very good reason(s) where does one draw the line! Certainly not for any sport. Golly it would open the flood gates, and course desent every where. So, sorry to say lads, all and any such schemes and thoughts will never be allowed until very much later.

Nice gestures. Good to see.

Recently I was honoured to be selected as a judge at a curry cook-off. The original person called in sick at the last moment and I happened to be standing there at the judge's table asking directions to the beer wagon when the call came. I was assured by the other two judges (couple of Nottingham locals) that the curry wouldn't be all that spicy, and besides, they told me I could have free beer during the tasting, so I accepted. Here are the scorecards from the event. Curry 1: Manoj's Maniac Mobster Monster Curry Judge One: A little too heavy on tomato. Amusing kick. Judge Two: Nice, smooth tomato flavour. Very mild. Me: Holy sh**, what the hell is this stuff? You could remove dried paint from your driveway. Took me two beers to put the flames out. I hope that's the worst one! Curry 2: Achmed's Afterburner Curry Judge One: Smoky, with a hint of pork. Slight Jalapeno tang. Judge Two: Exciting BBQ flavour, needs more peppers to be taken seriously. Me: Keep this out of reach of children! I'm not sure what I am supposed to taste besides pain. I had to wave off two people who wanted to give me the Heimlich manoeuvre. They had to rush in more beer when they saw the look on my face. Curry 3: Farouk's Famous Burn Down the Shed Curry Judge One: Excellent fire-house curry! Great kick. Needs more beans. Judge Two: A beanless curry, a bit salty, good use of red peppers. Me: Call the Fire-brigade, I've located a uranium spill. My nose feels like I have been snorting Drano. Everyone knows the routine by now, get me more beer before I ignite. Barmaid pounded me on the back; now my backbone is in the front part of my chest. I'm getting sh**-faced from all the beer. Curry 4: Barbu's Black Magic Judge One: Black bean curry with almost no spice. Disappointing. Judge Two: Hint of lime in the black beans. Good side dish for fish or other mild foods, not much of a curry. Me: I felt something scraping across my tongue, but was un-able to taste it, is it possible to burn-out taste buds? S, Sue Flay, the barmaid, was standing behind me with fresh refills, that 300 lb. *expletive removed* is starting to look Hoy to me, just like this nuclear waste I'm eating. Is curry an aphrodisiac? Curry 5: Laveshnee's Legal Lip Remover Judge One: Meaty, strong curry. Cayenne peppers freshly ground, adding considerable kick. Very impressive. Judge Two: Curry using shredded beef; could use more tomato. Must admit the cayenne peppers make a strong statement. Me: My ears are ringing, sweat is pouring off my forehead and I can no longer focus my eyes. I farted and four people behind me needed paramedics. The contestant seemed offended when I told her that her curry had given me brain damage. Sue Flay saved my tongue from bleeding by pouring beer directly on it from a pitcher. I wonder if I'm burning my lips off? It really pisses me off that the other judges asked me to stop screaming. Curry # 6: Vera's Very Vegetarian Variety Judge One: Thin yet bold vegetarian variety curry. Good bal-ance of spice and peppers. Judge Two: The best yet. Aggressive use of peppers, onions, and garlic. Superb. Me: My intestines are now a straight pipe filled with gase-ous, sulfuric flames. I sh** myself when I farted and I'm worried it will eat through the chair. No one seems inclined to stand behind me except that slut Sue Flay, she must be kinkier than I thought. Can't feel my lips anymore. I need to wipe my ass with a traffic cone! Curry 7: Sugash's Screaming Sensation Curry Judge One: A mediocre curry with too much reliance on canned peppers. Judge Two: Ho Hum, tastes as if the chef literally threw in a can of curry peppers at the last moment. I should note that I am worried about Judge Number 3. He appears to be in a bit of distress as he is cursing uncontrollably. Me: You could put a grenade in my mouth, pull the pin, and I wouldn't feel damn thing. I've lost the sight in one eye, and the world sounds like it is made of rushing water. My shirt is covered with curry which slid unnoticed out of my mouth. My pants are full of lava-like sh** to match my damn shirt. At least during the autopsy they'll know what killed me. I've decided to stop breathing, it's too painful. Screw it, I'm not getting any oxygen anyway. If I need air, I'll just suck it in through the 4 inch hole in my stomach. Curry 8: Hansraj's Mount Saint Curry Judge One: A perfect ending, this is a nice blend curry, safe for all, not too bold but spicy enough to declare its existence. Judge Two: This final entry is a good, balanced curry, neither mild nor hot. Sorry to see that most of it was lost when Judge Number 3 passed out, fell over and pulled the curry pot down on top of himself. Not sure if he's going to make it. Poor Inchy, wonder how he'd have reacted to a really hot curry? "Me": Editors note: Comments from the ambulance unheard

Mind I think many neighbours/ tree huggers, would silently report

Can't climb a fence Walter. Comes a time when they will realise and totally ignore it … Have known cats to drop on the dogs back and claw at the eyes. the dog runs for miles... while it can still see. Doesn't happen a lot... but once is enough. Dad had cats, kittens that grew up with the pigeons. Also had a good dog. Dog kept them out the garden. Cats kept them away from the loft top etc.

Good for you Dal12. In the end, it is what feels/ works for you. Mind I hope you get it up and working as soon as.

Dal12 mine is simply like a wire that keeps hoses etc. from wandering. 12 Volts. can run of a car battery. I run mine of a transformer. The shocks a long the line goes 100 of YARDS. Cost me with all fittings £63 then About £80 now.

I have so many time advocated the Electric fence. undoubtedly the best thing - regards pigeons and our sport - I have ever done. I run a wired 4 - 6 inches above all the fences. Around the loft and walls. Indeed every bit of the garden. It is legal and 12 vote. Doesn't harm or even hurt any thing. Just a tingle. Cats sit back and look again. Nose forward - some say they can smell it. and take it on board. Will look from afar … but never come to crap in garden, or spy on the pigeons. when building my last loft, I had took the electric fence down. Pigeons were at another's abode. Crap and what not straight away defiled my garden. When laying the concrete floor, as always happens apparently, cat's foot prints were in the cement. I connected the electric s fence later. Nary a problem. One cat dropped in on top off the loft be means on the trees. Loft is built directly under trees. Sniffed the lines going over the loft by 5 inches. A quick touch on nose and it scarpered quick. Yes neighbours cats look on... but never come into the garden, or on the loft. Best few quid spent. Yes still up. Still no cats. Not so cruel as watching a cat eat a pigeon alive. Firstly from feet up wards. Playing and tormenting the poor bird.