Roland

Nice and good video to watch. I believe, sadly, very sadly, that Percy has more than an abundance of food. Was a very good flyer on here, Owen, who train his birds 10 miles only a day. Due to Percy's attacks. Up early and well ready for a feed, they flew up a valley and straight into the loft, no problem. He was in the same position as many in Wales and many other districts that suffered drastic losses. But said to me, on a visit. I don't get hammered like many more around here. And they certainly don't hang around getting in.

or very little racing this season many may think a new way forward. A way that might improve their standing in the races. Maybe a shake up of changing the genes and mixing out crosses. Maybe breeding a few extra- supplest to the normal. Having now to hold on to those already bred... New blood within the loft, and given a triallate, or after September... on good days. Obviously for those that 'Like them up the road'. As one who - in later years - never tossed or trained, I certainly let 'Mr Basket' have a say. Much truth in what he not only told, but later proved! Yep many will say 'I'm doing just fine as it is' and with a lot of truth! Great! For those not able to state the same when looking in the mirror...

Lovely post Walter. Have always had the utmost respect for the Louella stud. Yes, believed them to be more than fair in many regards. When starting up at my new abode, many top flyers told me to visit Massarella etc. Main point being great 'Blood' and at a more than fair price. Indeed, another way of good and proven birds were buying in from good fanciers 'Later Bred' especially from those that had the Massarella birds and were winning from them. Yes days of many flying just cock birds and giving other birds a nest to settle them.... Personally I believe that the best birds are bred early autumn for many reasons. Next year, if need be youngsters given a odd race 100- 150- 200 miles.

I find the best result for social distancing is a water pistol! Filled with smelly old water. A scrift wetting their neck and a good smell works wonders :emoticon-0136-giggle: Again Bigda eh! Me, well I see some good in some posts of yours's .. like mine … About 10% lol :emoticon-0136-giggle:

Yep that certain is good secure for racing eh! As long as no body wants to cheat I fear.

Nah … china lol :emoticon-0136-giggle: But certainly looks good!

Only comment, if true or not, is that by even talking around about it - that it could reflect badly on our so-called sport. Indeed many fancier maligned needlessly. J.M.O

Well don't they fly longer and harder when split?

When A. Lincoln, - supposedly, abolished Slavery, and that was only in name in real terms, it was / is estimated there was 11 million 11.000.000 slaves world wide. 10 years ago it was over 330.000.000. Now well over 400 Million. 400.000.000.

I will say, and remember when mum, and other women went Potatoes Picking, was hard. Pea picking where one say down and had a good jaw with each over. Sugar Beat picking was the hardest. Brussels picking meant you were wet all day and had very sore fingers. then Turkey plucking. Fingers sore, and always in a sweat... I as a lad also did it all. Yes! All to put a little, much needed food on the table, and something for Christmas. When 12- 14 I did holidays on the farm. On a sledge - only one named Tooty' ever allowed me to drive the tractor and he went on the sledge. Gosh Scratched to pieces. Dust none stop in the eyes. Sore and hurting, try to wipe eyes, but after a time only put more dust in the eyes. Up at 5 and over the field to clean out and feed the pigs. Sit anywhere and grab my door step. Hands cake in pig's muck, unable to clean off... Never been as hungry in all my live! Think they said it was due to the ammonia in the crap! then back home for another Pack up. Work through with odd break. One year we had to work under flood lights till 12 midnight to catch up. Went bed after a cuppa tea with a sandwich … which was often still in the mouth when waking up! Next Bale carting came a long...

Walter, agree with your post. In fact that is truth! Further, as once posted, I feel many will and can think out much and make amends. Indeed start a new regime that will, or could improve their racing. J.M.O.

Simple, it is has always been. Giving more to those that have. The workers are there to help make them more productive only. The farmers and gentry were squawking since I was a nipper and 000's of years before to make more money! We are a nation of 'have and have not's! From the king down to barons to lord of the manor etc. we have always been told that theirs's is the right and us to toff our hats. There was a time of serfs and Land workers, Much part-time labour. Fields in the '50s and before, even the start of the sixties, were full of cheap energy. To keep the price of food down! Lol Machinery like combine harvesters made a few redundant. Price of food went up. Much more. No haystacks built now. Prices went up. Now a tractor via laser - rented by the farmer does it all. No driver rolls out Hay/straw etc. and yet still the prices went up. They are now paid not to cut hedges and paid again if trimming hedges. Leave the land as it is, well paid for the habitat. Plough up the ground for food etc. Well paid. Ditches left for the habitat, well paid too. Then dug again and well paid for that. Grow a crop till the shoots come through then paid for that feed. Ploughed up again and settled with money yet again. Next time, they keep most and sale on roadside tax-free. No wonder the landowners, gentry and farmers are paupers only able to have range rover with cheap Red FUEL. Until five years back, the world still produced enough food to feed 20 million! Only six and a half Billion people were living on earth! But enough to feed 16 million was destroyed to keep the price up! The World Organisation of Food stated that it was immoral, and now the world is only allowed to grow enough to feed 13 Billion allowed- officially - to feed 13 Million! Yet still enough to feed 9 billion is destroyed! Though there is now nearly only 7 billion on the earth today. M. Ghadi said 'There is enough food produced to feed the world... But not enough to feed the GREED!

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/spotlight/stranded-or-shunned-europes-migrant-workers-caught-in-no-mans-land/ar-BB12KYNE?ocid=spartandhp More doom and gloom, eh!

Lol Tommy. Mind I do feel that ALL borders should have been, and still be closed to all./ Let each Country protect their borders.

In theory... but then it would be the family, the kids that suffered, because they will find some way for their OWN appetite and still would,#t work. like, SAY 'food vouchers' THEY WOULD SIMPLY SELL THEM OFF Cheap. As for Spud bashing did a lot of that lol. Stooping was best, but back breaking .. but worse if you went on your knees lo.

Maybe, but they bring in a lot more profits for the 'Growers'! Under the prefix that it keeps food prices down lol. We destroy 000's of tons each year... and paid for, under Thatcher's dictatorship. As soon as a crop comes through, it can be ploughed up... and Farmers paid... Up three crops a year. What is not ploughed up and grown, much is sold TAX FREE' in layby's! Again under that dictatorship Land not use, or left can be claimed as 'For the Habitat. Cut the hedges etc. Paid for. Clear the ditches Paid for. Leave the ditches 'For Habitat' paid for. what's new, eh!

Lol … Gosh thought it was the Mother- in- law for starters lol

It's just your relating to your Human side. Would not make the slightest of difference. Shutting the loft up and getting as far as possible outcrossed mating's etc. Gosh! The Roman, Egyptians, and many others had pigeons locked up for way over a year and more. Their pigeons went all over the place, and very vast distances and yet when released, they homed very well and in good time. indeed wars and whatnot were won./ Lifes lost of saved. Lofts even moved around in forests built by wood and bark finished, for hiding, and yet they birds found the! Same as when on ships housed just in baskets 'FOR TIME UPON TIMES'. They homed to their' basket on ships, to baskets in/on battlefields. After being kept in for months on end! Gosh what a yearly book was 'Scotland's Own' eh! How and what the pigeons did, and could do! Makes many of us wonder just what and how aspect do pigeons, and other creatures life adheres to humans, eh! They don't. It is us that do THEM a disservice. Us that tamper and ruin their very make, trying to improve what A. we don't understand. B. Refuse, in hope AND IGNORANCE, to be the odd one out and improve - once in a while a good bird. It is us welcoming commercial useless and worthless enhancement, making themselves rich, though not productive! Till we are scared still of reality and wander aimlessly looking for a gold star. A one-upmanship because they are mainly are behind most weeks and the upper above in the ladder often pout rubbish which they WANT to believe withy HOPE! Time to face facts for many Pigeons, like all creatures, are not human. Nor anything like, and to - as often heard ' Well WOULD YOU...!

Yes agreed. Best way forward on many fronts... because by then, if so, the race season will have been curtailed quite a lot. The adage 'We keep racing pigeons to race' will undoubtedly mean, if any given chance, fancier will try and savage anything to make up this bad case scenario.

Don't matter Phig50. If sent together, make it two different races. Released at the same time the youngsters will invariably be home before the old bird. If two separate releases, then are two clocks set? Though that wouldn't be necessary I feel. Mind it would, I feel, be what one hopes to achieve I guess.

Hi Peter. Have rewrote what I sent you. Also added some more. Have also started another book/story too. These times have been bad in many ways for us all. Yet has many silver linings.

Yes, very true Adee188 I believe. Especially as I never sent youngsters in the last few years. Indeed not so many Old bird races either. They - to be sure. Was a time when by the very large majority, never trained any pigeon. Straight into the races. However I was trying to put over 'A thought' said saying 'experience' etc. and 150 miles. What does the distance matter?! In for a 'lamb' etc.

Well I believe the Rhubarb is growing nicely. :emoticon-0127-lipssealed:

Peter, empty your Message box lol.

' … they either have it or not' How true Steve. Also one has to test to keep the standard you need or require, want! a little tweak at a time, so if not an didn't work you know what to revert from. Easier to get to the top rung, than to stay there eh1 What I believe, that 'It is an wind that blows no good'. I feel many have a chance to set up and try, do what they wasn't to Every Season's end, but never do … with the same results.