Controversial Topic

[geordie1234]

Speaking to some national minded fanciers up and down the country along with fanciers who have no interest in National racing....some are of the opinion that national racing has totally killed club and fed racing....

 

Thoughts?

 

Ps I like both

Edited February 24, 2017 by geordie1234

[Ian McKay]

Speaking to some national minded fanciers up and down the country along with fanciers who have no interest in National racing....some are of the opinion that national racing has totally killed club and fed racing....

 

Thoughts?

 

Ps I like both

 

 

Totally agree the 2 inland races are good for the SNFC that's where they make the most money but it is at the expense of Fed / club racing

 

If they were taken out (which will not happen) maybe just maybe Federations and clubs would have to join forces to get to the coast which would help them

 

It is shortsightedness of the SNFC as it is affecting Federation racing and without Federations we will not be racing our birds

 

OMO

 

Ian

[Guest mambo]

Speaking to some national minded fanciers up and down the country along with fanciers who have no interest in National racing....some are of the opinion that national racing has totally killed club and fed racing....

 

Thoughts?

 

Ps I like both

The national can't stand on its own, because you can no longer build a team to fly the distance every race the birds go to leaves the birds terrified, they are ethier very late, or just fail to return to have a bird that is 3 years of age now would have been of the road, most of its racing life with injury's

[geordie1234]

With only around 10%-15% fanciers in England part of a national they are actually the minority...don't know percentage wise in Scotland bt it won't be far off.... so a large percentage of fanciers can't be catered for they could easily become disenfranchised and bored.

[dal2]

My fed is fabulous and I support it at every race......the snfc is the pinnacle of pigeon racing in Scotland and something that is a major aim every season. Some may not have enough pigeons to race every snfc race so targeted races are the normal. If you don't like the inland Nat don't send and get yer self to the Fed agm and vote to go on yer own on the same dates. If you dont like nat racing don't join and stop greetin cos others are.

 

It's quite simple really

[Kyleakin Lofts]

I don't race the Nationals at this time. Looking back to when the National was for distance racing across the Channel, The Federations raced to the coast and also had a Channel race. I accept that there are not as many fanciers now as there were then; I accept that there are more BOP now than there were then; this only means that Federations within the same general area should form Amalgamations and Combines at the relative distances to support these Amalgamations and Combines.

 

Why should this happen? Again looking back, younger pigeons received an education and even Channel experience without being dragged over the country, but raced into the same general area. Amalgamations and Combines could go some way to returning this education process, I accept BOP would scatter them at times.

 

Ultimately, it comes down to money. The National needs the Inlands to finance the Channel races and the Federations need the National to finance the longer races.

 

Middle ground? Leave things as they are, except for the Inlands and one Channel race where the pigeons could be liberated by area in a similar manner to the UNC. The benefits are that the National still receives the finance it requires whilst the Federations receive the transport and education that there fanciers require. This is the win / win situation.

[Roland]

Once was, and still the best-* till greed and wanting money / fame etc. was the simple reality of this.

All fancier are club member and then of course Fed members Fine. Then had NATIONAL that took the birds to the longest races and you could - nigh all did - join for a very reasonable price, and the vast members automatically were then in the National... Very few even had the notion of not sending as the 'Distance was the be all and end all.

the great North Road etc. was a boon, where SECTIONS counted for some merit being a fine example. Most fancier had no more than 12 pairs and flew every race right through the programme. If you had reasons - whatever they may have been, costs or not liking the waiting or frightened of losing some birds you simple stuck to the Club program - saving the cost and suiting ones self.

So ALL members were members of the Club, fed. Algamation , combine, sections and Nationals..

Within 10 miles we would have 9 or 10 clubs with over 40 members at least. Saturday night was 'Social Night' waiting to find out roughly how well, or not so well one had done.

the beauty was that nigh all sent birds from the shortest to the longest races.

Clubs would often have a mid week race over a wide range to help fund the club etc. Etc.

[Big Davie]

Totally agree the 2 inland races are good for the SNFC that's where they make the most money but it is at the expense of Fed / club racing

 

If they were taken out (which will not happen) maybe just maybe Federations and clubs would have to join forces to get to the coast which would help them

 

It is shortsightedness of the SNFC as it is affecting Federation racing and without Federations we will not be racing our birds

 

OMO

 

Ian

Best post I've seen for a while and is exactly what I think myself, I normally send to inland Nats but that is because they are available, and I enjoy Nat racing, but if they went today I wouldn't miss them, nearly happened a few years ago at Nat AGM in Stenhousemuir when the vote to keep or drop was tied but the then president cast his deciding vote to keep them

[eastcoaster]

I think the Snfc should only fly the channel and maybe a yearling race from Ypres and agree leave the inland to the Feds with possibly Amal races to increase competition ,

The last nat Agm I went to I voted for just Chanel races but we got hammered and I can tell you there were a good few from west Scotland voted to keep the in lands nats .

But where I differ is I think birdage will go up in the nationals if it was a specialist distance club like it used to be .

[dal2]

I think the Snfc should only fly the channel and maybe a yearling race from Ypres and agree leave the inland to the Feds with possibly Amal races to increase competition ,

The last nat Agm I went to I voted for just Chanel races but we got hammered and I can tell you there were a good few from west Scotland voted to keep the in lands nats .

But where I differ is I think birdage will go up in the nationals if it was a specialist distance club like it used to be .

It's still a specialist long distance club Colin.......it's just that there isnae many specialists sending to Ancenis

[novo10]

I am not interested in club racing but I support it every week it's only nationals I am interested in that's where you are tested on not winning a club or fed but that's my opinion

[novo10]

I think the Snfc should only fly the channel and maybe a yearling race from Ypres and agree leave the inland to the Feds with possibly Amal races to increase competition ,

The last nat Agm I went to I voted for just Chanel races but we got hammered and I can tell you there were a good few from west Scotland voted to keep the in lands nats .

But where I differ is I think birdage will go up in the nationals if it was a specialist distance club like it used to be .

They're wouldn't be many birds left if Feds went they're selfs to coast for the later on channel races and most people dont send to the longest race and imo that's the best chance to win a national imo

[tiger]

They're wouldn't be many birds left if Feds went they're selfs to coast for the later on channel races and most people dont send to the longest race and imo that's the best chance to win a national imo

Well said

[wallace1959]

if i remember the inland nats were brought in to encourage people to try the channel as the membership had started to slide remember the old rennes races in the eighties could attract the thick end of seven thousand we wont see those days again i wrote to the snfc chairman in the nineties to get some advertisments in newspapers even the radio to join up i didnt even get a reply now the various councils make it very diffucult to allow lofts in gardens as we have allowed our sport to be tarnished with flying rat tag the channel races were always the target for us and have happy memories of those nights like derek the club was a means to an end . the feds going together to the coast makes perfect sense but pigeon politics will never allow it

[paddymac]

I am not interested in club racing but I support it every week it's only nationals I am interested in that's where you are tested on not winning a club or fed but that's my opinion

I think most distance minded fanciers do the same and use the club racing in preparation for the channel race points rather than personal training. Safety in numbers springs to mind.

[novo10]

I think most distance minded fanciers do the same and use the club racing in preparation for the channel race points rather than personal training. Safety in numbers springs to mind.

We have one the averages in club the last eight years paddy

[peter pandy]

The idea to have Inland Races was politically formed in early 2000 by respected fanciers throughout Scotland with the intended outcome being the disbandment of the SHU and all business taken over by the SNFC.

This subject is a loaded gun and I aint pulling the trigger.. :emoticon-0127-lipssealed:

[Dave barrie]

pigeon politics, the end of it all, imo.