Yb Racing

[Froog]

Heavy losses training, is it the dreaded Percy, or are pigeons not as good as they were?......views?

[lanarkshire lad]

Percy all the time I can only speak for myself but I would like to think that after 47years of keeping pigeons I must have improved my stock from my school days and I could breed twelve youngsters in they days and be left with about ten after the full YB programme the big difference today is the peregrine who just wasn't about then.

[Froog]

Percy all the time I can only speak for myself but I would like to think that after 47years of keeping pigeons I must have improved my stock from my school days and I could breed twelve youngsters in they days and be left with about ten after the full YB programme the big difference today is the peregrine who just wasn't about then.

Yeh 20 years ago, when i last raced, after full season racing, approx 70% of race team raced full season, and survived, these days it seems more lost training from 20 miles, obviously percy is destroying the hobby.

[Grizzlecock]

Aberdeen is surrounded by perigins there's nowhere you can toss them without getting hit

[Guest bigda]

Would say it is percey, there are 3,000 of them declared in the UK, but there are more than that total, the rspb will not tell you, how many rings they issue each year ,from the home reared ones ,as it is said it is about 900 a year ,that they fledge and ring. They monitor, all the nests ,and will save the runt, every time. As the peregrine is there dinner ticket, they have 3 million member's paying £30 for membership 90 million Pound a year, and that's no selling them the cuddly toys, so there is no way are they going to stop. and when they report, one dead that will make 50 more members join ,they love the free policity they get from the BBC. If we did not race on there breeding times they would die off and there attacks would be on the farmer's and game keepers then the government would call for a cull as it would affect. There income. Sea birds like the puffin is getting wiped out and they know percey ,is doing it damage,no harm to the puffin but it will be wiped out, so if we stop for a year and let nothing out the shed we would prove our point.

[Guest johnhunter]

Would say it is percey, there are 3,000 of them declared in the UK, but there are more than that total, the rspb will not tell you, how many rings they issue each year ,from the home reared ones ,as it is said it is about 900 a year ,that they fledge and ring. They monitor, all the nests ,and will save the runt, every time. As the peregrine is there dinner ticket, they have 3 million member's paying £30 for membership 90 million Pound a year, and that's no selling them the cuddly toys, so there is no way are they going to stop. and when they report, one dead that will make 50 more members join ,they love the free policity they get from the BBC. If we did not race on there breeding times they would die off and there attacks would be on the farmer's and game keepers then the government would call for a cull as it would affect. There income. Sea birds like the puffin is getting wiped out and they know percey ,is doing it damage,no harm to the puffin but it will be wiped out, so if we stop for a year and let nothing out the shed we would prove our point.

bigda ,the reason the puffin is being wiped out is not the peregrines fault it is the lack of sand eels ,fact

[Kyleakin Lofts]

bigda ,the reason the puffin is being wiped out is not the peregrines fault it is the lack of sand eels ,fact

 

Do peregrines eat sand eels? :D

[Guest johnhunter]

Do peregrines eat sand eels? :D

the puffins eat the sand eels smart *expletive removed*

[Froog]

Would say it is percey, there are 3,000 of them declared in the UK, but there are more than that total, the rspb will not tell you, how many rings they issue each year ,from the home reared ones ,as it is said it is about 900 a year ,that they fledge and ring. They monitor, all the nests ,and will save the runt, every time. As the peregrine is there dinner ticket, they have 3 million member's paying £30 for membership 90 million Pound a year, and that's no selling them the cuddly toys, so there is no way are they going to stop. and when they report, one dead that will make 50 more members join ,they love the free policity they get from the BBC. If we did not race on there breeding times they would die off and there attacks would be on the farmer's and game keepers then the government would call for a cull as it would affect. There income. Sea birds like the puffin is getting wiped out and they know percey ,is doing it damage,no harm to the puffin but it will be wiped out, so if we stop for a year and let nothing out the shed we would prove our point.

So suspend racing for one year, regroup, but who would agree to do that?

[Kyleakin Lofts]

the puffins eat the sand eels smart *expletive removed*

 

Glad you noticed. The joke was that they get blamed for everything, mostly quite rightly, so why not the sand eels and the demise of the Puffin.

[Rainman]

Would say it is percey, there are 3,000 of them declared in the UK, but there are more than that total, the rspb will not tell you, how many rings they issue each year ,from the home reared ones ,as it is said it is about 900 a year ,that they fledge and ring. They monitor, all the nests ,and will save the runt, every time. As the peregrine is there dinner ticket, they have 3 million member's paying £30 for membership 90 million Pound a year, and that's no selling them the cuddly toys, so there is no way are they going to stop. and when they report, one dead that will make 50 more members join ,they love the free policity they get from the BBC. If we did not race on there breeding times they would die off and there attacks would be on the farmer's and game keepers then the government would call for a cull as it would affect. There income. Sea birds like the puffin is getting wiped out and they know percey ,is doing it damage,no harm to the puffin but it will be wiped out, so if we stop for a year and let nothing out the shed we would prove our point.

Well said maybe worth thinking about leaving the birds in the hut for 1 year it would defo make a difference surly

[kingziemckay]

So suspend racing for one year, regroup, but who would agree to do that?

 

 

no one,would agree to that,

[Dooheed 5]

So suspend racing for one year, regroup, but who would agree to do that?

The Peregine Falcon hunts a huge array of prey species so stopping racing for a year would do absolutely nothing !!

[gulkie]

Well said maybe worth thinking about leaving the birds in the hut for 1 year it would defo make a difference surly

It certainly would with the mass exodus of the pigeon fanciers from our past time

I believe there is more to the loses than Percy ,most fanciers breed more YB so as

To have some birds to race the next year ,so the quality goes out the window .including

Myself .MO.

[KIDDON]

I don't think it is just peregrines to blame for the heavy losses we also have erratic weather, clashing due to less race points to liberate from, lack of communication between convoyers, sick pigeons being sent to races, inferior birds being bred, lack of training, yes the Hawks do cause havoc but they don't account for all the pigeon losses we have now

[yeboah]

Percy all the time I can only speak for myself but I would like to think that after 47years of keeping pigeons I must have improved my stock from my school days and I could breed twelve youngsters in they days and be left with about ten after the full YB programme the big difference today is the peregrine who just wasn't about then.

100 % Agree

Their numbers are out of control having watched this years webcams with 3/4 per nest doesn't take a mathematician to figure that one out

Hen I got from gold cup and cock from Ancenis both with half wing missing

Don't think for a minute i am the only one getting hit

Fellow fanciers down here training youngsters and sustaining losses it's the falcon going through them every time nothing else as for the doubters please waken up

[Novice]

There are disasters caused by abnormal weather but, without a doubt the peregrine is the prime cause of losses.

There are known examples especially of with young birds of entire convoys refusing to face the falcon while racing into the west of Scotland.

Many of these birds enter lofts in the Solway area and are returned home as strays.

 

Stopping racing for a year would hardly resolve the issue. Stopping racing for several years would severely depleted the song bird population then predator numbers might be controlled.

We can alter racing and breeding cycles to avoid racing at peak killing times but training only a select few birds at that time.

[yeboah]

There are disasters caused by abnormal weather but, without a doubt the peregrine is the prime cause of losses.

There are known examples especially of with young birds of entire convoys refusing to face the falcon while racing into the west of Scotland.

Many of these birds enter lofts in the Solway area and are returned home as strays.

 

Stopping racing for a year would hardly resolve the issue. Stopping racing for several years would severely depleted the song bird population then predator numbers might be controlled.

We can alter racing and breeding cycles to avoid racing at peak killing times but training only a select few birds at that time.

Spot on Robert

Witnessed lanarkshire youngsters being scattered all over the sky when racing from Locharbriggs past Beattock by one falcon and that was in the 1990 s

Ps away out to basket youngsters now May God be with me lol

[Novice]

Spot on Robert

Witnessed lanarkshire youngsters being scattered all over the sky when racing from Locharbriggs past Beattock by one falcon and that was in the 1990 s

Ps away out to basket youngsters now May God be with me lol

All the luck in the world Mike you need it in that area.

[Mossgiel]

Percy all the time I can only speak for myself but I would like to think that after 47years of keeping pigeons I must have improved my stock from my school days and I could breed twelve youngsters in they days and be left with about ten after the full YB programme the big difference today is the peregrine who just wasn't about then.

 

Spot on. Have witnessed the fear a peregrine can put into pigeons at first hand. My team of youngsters [ April hatched ] were starting to kit in June, when they were attacked by a pair of peregrines. They were attacked six times in a period of ten days. It was so bad I kept them in for a fortnight, hoping the falcons would move on. What a job I have in trying to get these youngsters to leave the loft, let alone fly for any length of time. I am trying to build up their confidence, but the youngsters are reluctant to leave vicinity of the loft and fly in tight circle to the loft. These youngsters have not ranged ONCE!!! They are certainly healthy and look the part but the bad experiences with these falcons seems to have had a mental effect on them.

[b.massey]

Percy 100%

 

Things are shocking at our loft with Percy

 

Not to imagine what 5 years from now will be like

[Novice]

Percy 100%

 

Things are shocking at our loft with Percy

 

Not to imagine what 5 years from now will be like

At your loft in 5 years it may not be any worse as they are territorial. However, losses from racing will increase as they reach saturation point.

[b.massey]

At your loft in 5 years it may not be any worse as they are territorial. However, losses from racing will increase as they reach saturation point.

 

That's what I thought!!!

 

But we have went from one pair to at least two

 

And it's not their young ones joining in now!! It's two adult pairs

 

And 5 years comment was more just in general around the uk racing

[Novice]

That's what I thought!!!

 

But we have went from one pair to at least two

 

And it's not their young ones joining in now!! It's two adult pairs

 

And 5 years comment was more just in general around the uk racing

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I've in hope of a miracle like DDT but that's not going to happen.

[R&KMORRISON]

Hi Fred It is not the pigeons it is the sparrow hawk and Percy there are to many honesty I don't think not raclng young bird's or old birds for a whole season would make a whole lot of difference he will change his diet for something thing else nature will always find a way