Clean Water, Clean Food, Grit And Ventilation

[geordie1234]

Funny you should ask, as in the house I have a book "The Homing Pigeon Annual-1913", 103 years old and there isn't any less adverts in it for supplements than this year's stud book. I've read a few of the articles in it as well and many of them were using codliver oil(not clean feed), Epsomulsion Capsules-what's that?,sulphate of soda(not clean water) etc. one of them even discovered that youngsters on the wing in February didn't moult as quickly as those hatched in April-some right clever c * nts back then.

 

I'll look through the book this evening and find more of the things they added to the water and put on the food 103years ago, as the ones mentioned are just from memory.

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[Guest johnhunter]

rooster you asked were the top men using it way back then , I answered by saying no ,you came back say ing all sorts of stuff were put on the feed that is maybe so but were they top men , there are guys putting all sorts of stuff down there throats and still doing *expletive removed* all,i know a stack of top fliers and all they use is clean water and clean feed and most of all knowledge of pigeons

[Guest johnhunter]

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I got a better laugh last night giruylol

[Novice]

Many years ago I when I was starting with pigeons I was told by a top fancier " never buy pigeons from someone who can put more into them than yourself".

That is basically what this thread is about.

[William Reid]

How many people that are extremely successful just using Clean Water, Clean Food, Grit and Plenty Of Ventilation. Ive recently just watched 13 pigeon DVDs in a row, and not one of the fanciers featured gave 100% clean water, or 100% clean food, they all used an additive of some sort at certain times of the week. They also all basically threw peoples believes about ventilation out of window, all lofts completely closed, and only air exchange was during times of entering and leaving the loft. The only similarities i saw was the use of clean grit, plenty of sunshine and phenomenal results.

 

How many people are extremely successful with just clean food, clean water, grit and plenty of ventilation, or are those days completely gone forever?

Never met a pigeon fancier that uses this system during racing season .

[kingziemckay]

would you believe everything on a dvd was true??

[Guest johnhunter]

Water, feed and a handful of grit and my birds are looking perfect. Anyone that sees them comment on their condition. Ive won in every show I entered this year lol. Ill give them treatment ONLY if and when they need it, I take samples several times through the year and unless they desperately need treatment, I leave them and let them get on with it. Whats wrong with most fanciers is they are frightened to NOT give them anything, try it and see how much money your wasting. Believe me, ive spent ( wasted ) plenty of money on all the fads and fancy potions and was convinced that they were responsible for my success. However, after a long discussion with a top fancier I was persuaded to give them nothing but the basics and to my surprise the pigeons flew as well, if not better. You wouldn't take medication for a headache unless you had a headache and this applies to treating pigeons also . Im gradually going back to the way it used to be, the main treatment for a sick pigeon is the spade. Im also of the opinion that your really top pigeons seldom get anything up with them that they cant shrug off themselves.

BUMP

[William Reid]

If you find any let me know because they have really good pigeons.

BUMP. .

[Guest johnhunter]

Funny you should ask, as in the house I have a book "The Homing Pigeon Annual-1913", 103 years old and there isn't any less adverts in it for supplements than this year's stud book. I've read a few of the articles in it as well and many of them were using codliver oil(not clean feed), Epsomulsion Capsules-what's that?,sulphate of soda(not clean water) etc. one of them even discovered that youngsters on the wing in February didn't moult as quickly as those hatched in April-some right clever c * nts back then.

 

I'll look through the book this evening and find more of the things they added to the water and put on the food 103years ago, as the ones mentioned are just from memory.

1o3 years old expletive remove they could hardly feed there self never mind pigeons,they must have been right top men having young pigeons on the wing in february

[Delboy]

Hand on heart, can anyone on here honestly say that they could not fly a pigeon without the use of a certain supplement/product? If you think about it, you probably use different ones every year, this tells me that you aren't convinced of any benefits in the product you've been using. Try a section of your birds with no supplements and im positive you wont see a bit of difference. I was a big believer in natural products, vinegar, salt, sugar, garlic etc but I even cut them out last year and scored in most nationals. The funny thing about the pigeon game is, it doesn't matter what you say, most wont believe you anyway lol.ps. The guy that convinced me not to use any products was a top Solway fancier.

[VAGIN]

How many of the companies that avertise the go faster pills and potions, put in there ardverts all money will be refunded

if not satisfied with the results of there products . How many fanciers let them know about how the product made no

diffrence. Or does the fancier turn around and say to his mates Im not buying that stuff again it was MINCE

I think most off us have did at one time

[Guest johnhunter]

Hand on heart, can anyone on here honestly say that they could not fly a pigeon without the use of a certain supplement/product? If you think about it, you probably use different ones every year, this tells me that you aren't convinced of any benefits in the product you've been using. Try a section of your birds with no supplements and im positive you wont see a bit of difference. I was a big believer in natural products, vinegar, salt, sugar, garlic etc but I even cut them out last year and scored in most nationals. The funny thing about the pigeon game is, it doesn't matter what you say, most wont believe you anyway lol.ps. The guy that convinced me not to use any products was a top Solway fancier.

was it rooster lol

[eastcoaster]

Hand on heart, can anyone on here honestly say that they could not fly a pigeon without the use of a certain supplement/product? If you think about it, you probably use different ones every year, this tells me that you aren't convinced of any benefits in the product you've been using. Try a section of your birds with no supplements and im positive you wont see a bit of difference. I was a big believer in natural products, vinegar, salt, sugar, garlic etc but I even cut them out last year and scored in most nationals. The funny thing about the pigeon game is, it doesn't matter what you say, most wont believe you anyway lol.ps. The guy that convinced me not to use any products was a top Solway fancier.

I have used and still use supplement s ie garlic/ probiotic , but like del I was told by a very well regarded older fancier from the west before the channel races to stop everything and go back to basics ,water tic beans with the idea of get them home first then you know what you have in the loft then you can speed birds up next time ,sent 16 dropped just 1 ironically my best hen and timed on night from 525 mls . Took some ribbing for feeding this way and still get told it won't work , I will take del,s or mr Jamison's national performances anytime if it's good enough for them .(don't mean feeding beans that's my way )

[Rooster J. Cogburn]

rooster you asked were the top men using it way back then , I answered by saying no ,you came back say ing all sorts of stuff were put on the feed that is maybe so but were they top men , there are guys putting all sorts of stuff down there throats and still doing *expletive removed* all,i know a stack of top fliers and all they use is clean water and clean feed and most of all knowledge of pigeons

 

You might be onto something John, I'm sure it was the unsuccessful fanciers that had won f * ck all they asked to contribute to the pigeon yearbooks back then

 

I'm the opposite from you and have never met a top flier that uses nothing except clean water,clean feed and grit. By supplements don't think I mean the top fanciers I've met have birds that are off their ti ts on dope, or pumped full of antibiotics. I just haven't met any successful flier that gives nothing but clean water,food and grit 365days a year.Some give clean water,clean feed and grit some or even a lot of the time, but not all the time.

 

Any good flier I've heard say contrary I assume is lying or withholding the truth. It doesn't make them bad people either-doo folk tell lies, it's part of the fun

 

In keeping with what delboy says in post #60- I know a lot of people who win heehaw that use everything out. No supplement,potion,tonic etc. etc. etc. is a substitute for good pigeons well managed.

 

[Delboy]

You might be onto something John, I'm sure it was the unsuccessful fanciers that had won f * ck all they asked to contribute to the pigeon yearbooks back then

 

I'm the opposite from you and have never met a top flier that uses nothing except clean water,clean feed and grit. By supplements don't think I mean the top fanciers I've met have birds that are off their ti ts on dope, or pumped full of antibiotics. I just haven't met any successful flier that gives nothing but clean water,food and grit 365days a year.Some give clean water,clean feed and grit some or even a lot of the time, but not all the time.

 

Any good flier I've heard say contrary I assume is lying or withholding the truth. It doesn't make them bad people either-doo folk tell lies, it's part of the fun

 

In keeping with what delboy says in post #60- I know a lot of people who win heehaw that use everything out. No supplement,potion,tonic etc. etc. etc. is a substitute for good pigeons well managed.

 

This is true as you will have read I have given vits/ probiotic after a treatment but only after instruction by a vet.I too, have for many years used every *expletive removed* thing advertised but have found its a complete waste of money.

[Roland]

Here is a simple reality.

A fancier, COULD BE YOU! keeps his bird in pretty good nick. An overall condition that he is proud off, and many will say superb etc. Well to his face lol (Joshing there).

He loses a good bird, or well thought of which has a good proven record.

He loses it. From just 230 miles and can't believe it. A week a Monday / Tuesday it is on the loft. Superb looking. Gets it in and it handles a treat.

You, me both can't condition a bird like it! Must have got lost in a drug store and fed tib - bits of :D

Any way it is sent the next Friday and wins it's first race.

 

Simple truth is the fact that we CAN'T condition a bird like nature nor like it can it's self.

I lose a few here about to the massive delict cinema across the road.

I see feral picking up of the road out side. Often am amazed at the superb condition. Went to Howards Country... the feral there could win in shows.

Mind fed proper with odds and sods a sick pigeon is often sold looking great ( Beside the brush work on the photos) ... for a few days any way.

[Rooster J. Cogburn]

This is true as you will have read I have given vits/ probiotic after a treatment but only after instruction by a vet.I too, have for many years used every *expletive removed* thing advertised but have found its a complete waste of money.

 

I wasnae talking about you Derek, re read the post- I said successful fliers :lol::lol:

 

Nah, you're probably right derek and will be saving yourself a few bob

 

[Roland]

Now when in Canada I visited many good fanciers lofts. Generally, over all the condition is pretty good. More so as one heads more into the countryside.

[Delboy]

I wasnae talking about you Derek, re read the post- I said successful fliers :lol::lol:

 

Nah, you're probably right derek and will be saving yourself a few bob

[Rooster J. Cogburn]

 

Couldn't make the feeding on Monday night, probably see you this Monday coming. Guinness and Harwood will be back on the scene tae I'd imagine

[Roland]

 

I mean the top fanciers I've met have birds that are off their ti ts on dope, or pumped full of antibiotics. I just haven't met any successful flier that gives nothing but clean water,food and grit 365days a year. Some give clean water,clean feed and grit some or even a lot of the time, but not all the time. Any good flier I've heard say contrary I assume is lying or withholding the truth. It doesn't make them bad people either-doo folk tell lies, it's part of the fun

 

Next you will be giving us the scenario of 'Do all fishermen lie, or do all liars fish'?!

 

Will say truefully all good fanciers that don't buy such, but only meds when needed and with a Avian Vets issue save a lot of money

[Delboy]

Couldn't make the feeding on Monday night, probably see you this Monday coming. Guinness and Harwood will be back on the scene tae I'd imagine

 

its there agm on Monday Lewis, mind ye, if you go thru later on it should be ok

Edited February 4, 2016 by Delboy

[Rooster J. Cogburn]

its there agm on Monday Lewis, mind ye, if you go thru later on it should be ok

 

Ah right. I may do, will see what's happening at the time. It's a good wee gathering to get out the house for a wee while whilst it's still getting dark early. Nights beginning to stretch now though. No long til we'll be counting down the weeks to the racing in single figures

[lanarkshire lad]

Hand on heart, can anyone on here honestly say that they could not fly a pigeon without the use of a certain supplement/product? If you think about it, you probably use different ones every year, this tells me that you aren't convinced of any benefits in the product you've been using. Try a section of your birds with no supplements and im positive you wont see a bit of difference. I was a big believer in natural products, vinegar, salt, sugar, garlic etc but I even cut them out last year and scored in most nationals. The funny thing about the pigeon game is, it doesn't matter what you say, most wont believe you anyway lol.ps. The guy that convinced me not to use any products was a top Solway fancier.

Aye but its different up this way Derek we need a supplement to get them that extra 60plus miles lol.

[dal2]

Aye but its different up this way Derek we need a supplement to get them that extra 60plus miles lol.

Hahaha damn right lol. Who is this solway enigma Derek so we can get roon his bit for some eggs lol